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Re: Cabooses - Cabeese? NYC boxcar rebuilds.

Ray Breyer
 

Hi guys,

The Nickel Plate also had two groups of cabooses built from Accurail's 36-footers. 37 "rider cars" with no vestibules, and 57 true cabooses. The NKPHTS issued a resin model of the rider cars a couple of years ago, and both cars have been offered in brass in various scales.

Kitbashing the cabooses will be a challenge. Since the corrugated steel ends were fully visible, any modeling attempt will have to include thinning those parts as much as possible to get a realistic cross section. It's a real challenge; one that I should probably attempt some day, but will probably hold off on for a few years (these cars weren't built until 1943, and so are ten years newer than my prime focus).

The wood-ended Accurail shorty does open up a few other modeling opportunities for home-brew cabooses. Off the top of my head, the AC&Y, W&LE, and CGW all had similar cars, and I'm sure that dozens of other roads did too.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Seth Lakin lakinsa@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:53 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cabooses - Cabeese? NYC boxcar rebuilds.

Dennis wrote:
> NYC rebuilt from boxcars during WWII...the class of boxcar they started with is almost (identical to) the new Accurail kit... it seems the easiest course of action would be to remove the sides entirely and replace them with Evergreen styrene "car siding." The channel side sill could be built up from styrene strip. Grandt Line has a selection of "camp car windows" that may be useful.

Exactly what I am working on right now. There were three versions that were rebuilt. One has the side doors with solid ends sometimes called a work train caboose or rider car. The other two had vestibule ends and opened steel ends, one with three side and no end window, the other only two side windows with a end window on the inside of the vestibule.

I have copies of NYC drawings for two of these versions. Titchy/Grandt Line outfit car windows are exactly the same size. Use the rectangle windows with vertical glazing bars removed for the sides and the square ones for the ends of the side door caboose.

While not specified in the drawings but hints that the cars received AB brakes at some time, which my models have.

What I was not able to locate is how many of each conversion was done, the series and how long they lasted. Either way look forward to my documentation of my conversions in a future NYCentral Modeler. 

Also planned amid a large pile of other projects is using the Accurail 36' fishbelly frame to model a 20100 series lot 732 caboose.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN






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Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Greg Martin
 

Charlie,

 
I have to politely disagree. Look at the depth of the shadows of the window frame and the frame work that surround the windows to the truss webs, they are the same. The windows are not applied beyond the trusses.
 
Greg
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 4/23/2017 8:43:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
It is hard to tell for sure, but the window appears to be brought away from the side enough that the truss member is continuous behind the windows.  This is certainly a more elaborate boxcar rebuild than the SP versions of boxcar cabooses.
 
Charlie


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Bruce Smith
 

​Charlie,


 I don't think so... the front of the window frame is flush with the truss members and there is no sign of the truss running through behind the window... not to mention that the glass would be right where the truss would be.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Charles Morrill' badlands@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


It is hard to tell for sure, but the window appears to be brought away from the side enough that the truss member is continuous behind the windows.  This is certainly a more elaborate boxcar rebuild than the SP versions of boxcar cabooses.
 
Charlie

 


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Charles Morrill
 

It is hard to tell for sure, but the window appears to be brought away from the side enough that the truss member is continuous behind the windows.  This is certainly a more elaborate boxcar rebuild than the SP versions of boxcar cabooses.
 
Charlie
 

From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)

 

I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Broc


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Greg Martin
 

Bruce,
 
You are right and one thing to consider is the amount of weight the car will handle now and in the future.
 
Also the shear on the web passing through the window frame would be structurally fine if all the components are well secured, think of a staircase going through a set of floor joist.
 
What is of interest is the damage to the top of the collision post on the left side.
 
I wonder how long they lasted before going into MW services? Beautiful example of a rebuild.
 
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 4/23/2017 8:06:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)


I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Tony Thompson
 

       A detail to note on these cars: the end porches are added onto the original car body. The net result is how most cabooses were built -- the end sill is under the end door, not out at the end of the platform.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Tony Thompson
 

      Even though these were converted in 1947, some modelers continue to call them "war emergency" cabooses.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Bruce Smith
 

I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)


I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Broc


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Jeff!  It does seem odd that in 1947, UP elected not to place an order to buy new cabooses. 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: Two Quest

Tim O'Connor
 


yep


 Is this the fixture?
  http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p103-1932-ara-box-car-doors-with-early-camel-roller-lift-fixtures/
 While I was on Ted's site I noyiced I noticed Focus on Freight Cars 10 is at the printer.
 Fred Swanson


Also the Bx-27 doors had "Camel" [?] door latches - a lever in the lower left hand corner of the door
that sits at a 45 degree angle, and has a small "arc" that holds/guides the lever as it is moved. Both the IMWX
and IM doors have a different style latch. I don't think anyone makes a door with this latch even though it
was quite common. I've tried modeling these but only crudely because they are so small with fine detail.

Unfortunately vendors seem to think the only thing that matters on a door is the rib pattern...

Tim O'Connor


Re: Duryea cushion underframe

John Barry
 

Richard,

Tangent parts from their riveted gondola. The top and bottom are on separate sprues so you need to purchase both to make up a set of coupler pockets. Unfortunately they are not in stock as of a couple weeks ago.

John Barry



On April 23, 2017, at 3:03 AM, "richard haave therrboomer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Does any one manufacture a coupler pocket car end that resembles a Duryea underframe in HO gauge?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Dick Haave


What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

gary laakso
 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Duryea cushion underframe

richard haave
 

Does any one manufacture a coupler pocket car end that resembles a Duryea underframe in HO gauge?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Dick Haave


Re: BLI 6K tank cars

david zuhn
 


Re: Two Quest

Fred_Swa@...
 

Is this the fixture?  http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p103-1932-ara-box-car-doors-with-early-camel-roller-lift-fixtures/
 While I was on Ted's site I noyiced I noticed Focus on Freight Cars 10 is at the printer.
Fred Swanson
 


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


Also the Bx-27 doors had "Camel" [?] door latches - a lever in the lower left hand corner of the door
that sits at a 45 degree angle, and has a small "arc" that holds/guides the lever as it is moved. Both the IMWX
and IM doors have a different style latch. I don't think anyone makes a door with this latch even though it
was quite common. I've tried modeling these but only crudely because they are so small with fine detail.

Unfortunately vendors seem to think the only thing that matters on a door is the rib pattern...

Tim O'Connor






Re: Two Quest

John Barry
 

Jared,

Not this year.  I'll be in Tulsa for the SFRH&MS.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Two Quest

 
John,

Thanks for the info.  Will I see you at Collinsville?

Jared



Re: Cabooses - Cabeese?

lrkdbn
 

The 1912 CBD has drawings for the underframe for the NYCLines "1910" design boxcars. This is the one with the heavy channel side sills.It is labeled as the underframe to a LS&MS automobile car, but this was a standard design.There were also 1910 design cars with Bettendorf underframes and a weird looking ACF design underframe
with 2 very heavy truss rods at the center sill.
Larry King<lrkdbn@...>


Re: CB&Q Composite Drop Bottom gon photo request

lrkdbn
 

I believe the Westerfield ACF builder's photo CD has a view of the wood end.
Larry King


Re: Two Quest

Jared Harper
 

John,

Thanks for the info.  Will I see you at Collinsville?

Jared

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