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Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Charles Morrill
 

It is hard to tell for sure, but the window appears to be brought away from the side enough that the truss member is continuous behind the windows.  This is certainly a more elaborate boxcar rebuild than the SP versions of boxcar cabooses.
 
Charlie
 

From: 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:06 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)

 

I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Broc


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Greg Martin
 

Bruce,
 
You are right and one thing to consider is the amount of weight the car will handle now and in the future.
 
Also the shear on the web passing through the window frame would be structurally fine if all the components are well secured, think of a staircase going through a set of floor joist.
 
What is of interest is the damage to the top of the collision post on the left side.
 
I wonder how long they lasted before going into MW services? Beautiful example of a rebuild.
 
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 4/23/2017 8:06:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)


I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Tony Thompson
 

       A detail to note on these cars: the end porches are added onto the original car body. The net result is how most cabooses were built -- the end sill is under the end door, not out at the end of the platform.

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Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Tony Thompson
 

      Even though these were converted in 1947, some modelers continue to call them "war emergency" cabooses.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Bruce Smith
 

I find it interesting that the windows interrupt the Warren truss members... Aren't those supposed to be part of the weight carrying structure of the car?  I guess conductors didn't weigh as much as freight ;)


I also note two common additions to single sheathed cars, the metal straps between the truss members and the reinforcing pieces over the bottom ends of the truss members.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:22 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 


According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Broc


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

gary laakso
 

Thanks, Jeff!  It does seem odd that in 1947, UP elected not to place an order to buy new cabooses. 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:23 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: Two Quest

Tim O'Connor
 


yep


 Is this the fixture?
  http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p103-1932-ara-box-car-doors-with-early-camel-roller-lift-fixtures/
 While I was on Ted's site I noyiced I noticed Focus on Freight Cars 10 is at the printer.
 Fred Swanson


Also the Bx-27 doors had "Camel" [?] door latches - a lever in the lower left hand corner of the door
that sits at a 45 degree angle, and has a small "arc" that holds/guides the lever as it is moved. Both the IMWX
and IM doors have a different style latch. I don't think anyone makes a door with this latch even though it
was quite common. I've tried modeling these but only crudely because they are so small with fine detail.

Unfortunately vendors seem to think the only thing that matters on a door is the rib pattern...

Tim O'Connor


Re: Duryea cushion underframe

John Barry
 

Richard,

Tangent parts from their riveted gondola. The top and bottom are on separate sprues so you need to purchase both to make up a set of coupler pockets. Unfortunately they are not in stock as of a couple weeks ago.

John Barry



On April 23, 2017, at 3:03 AM, "richard haave therrboomer@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 

Does any one manufacture a coupler pocket car end that resembles a Duryea underframe in HO gauge?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Dick Haave


What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

gary laakso
 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Duryea cushion underframe

richard haave
 

Does any one manufacture a coupler pocket car end that resembles a Duryea underframe in HO gauge?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Dick Haave


Re: BLI 6K tank cars

david zuhn
 


Re: Two Quest

Fred_Swa@...
 

Is this the fixture?  http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p103-1932-ara-box-car-doors-with-early-camel-roller-lift-fixtures/
 While I was on Ted's site I noyiced I noticed Focus on Freight Cars 10 is at the printer.
Fred Swanson
 


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


Also the Bx-27 doors had "Camel" [?] door latches - a lever in the lower left hand corner of the door
that sits at a 45 degree angle, and has a small "arc" that holds/guides the lever as it is moved. Both the IMWX
and IM doors have a different style latch. I don't think anyone makes a door with this latch even though it
was quite common. I've tried modeling these but only crudely because they are so small with fine detail.

Unfortunately vendors seem to think the only thing that matters on a door is the rib pattern...

Tim O'Connor






Re: Two Quest

John Barry
 

Jared,

Not this year.  I'll be in Tulsa for the SFRH&MS.

John
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "harperandbrown@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Two Quest

 
John,

Thanks for the info.  Will I see you at Collinsville?

Jared



Re: Cabooses - Cabeese?

lrkdbn
 

The 1912 CBD has drawings for the underframe for the NYCLines "1910" design boxcars. This is the one with the heavy channel side sills.It is labeled as the underframe to a LS&MS automobile car, but this was a standard design.There were also 1910 design cars with Bettendorf underframes and a weird looking ACF design underframe
with 2 very heavy truss rods at the center sill.
Larry King<lrkdbn@...>


Re: CB&Q Composite Drop Bottom gon photo request

lrkdbn
 

I believe the Westerfield ACF builder's photo CD has a view of the wood end.
Larry King


Re: Two Quest

Jared Harper
 

John,

Thanks for the info.  Will I see you at Collinsville?

Jared


Re: BLI 6K tank cars for sale

T.J. Stratton
 

OK, Thanks!


TJ Stratton Maumee, OH. "Modeling the 1950's branch lines of the Michigan Central Railroad in southern Michigan" Mailto:michigancentralrr@...



From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 9:00 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BLI 6K tank cars for sale
 
 

Both tank cars have been claimed 


- thanks!

Bruce



I have two brand new BLI 6,000 gallon AC&F tank cars for sale.  I cannot use them in the schemes I received because they are too modern for me.

Niagara Alkalai, NACX 316, built 12-48, stenciled NEW

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Wyandotte, SHPX 3606, built 9-47, stenciled NEW

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$27.50 PLUS SHIPPING each.  Please email me off list at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards

Bruce


Re: CB&Q Composite Drop Bottom gon photo request

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Dennis -

These cars were built between 1925 and 1930 by the railroad in their company car shops in Galesburg, Illinois.  I have a very nice builders photo of an earlier ACF built car (Class GS-1) but do not know if these company built cars were the same.  I also have many photos of the cars with the replacement steel ends.  Unfortunately, no clear photo with the original wood end and lever hand brake.

Jerry


Re: BLI 6K tank cars for sale

Bruce Smith
 

Both tank cars have been claimed 


- thanks!

Bruce



I have two brand new BLI 6,000 gallon AC&F tank cars for sale.  I cannot use them in the schemes I received because they are too modern for me.

Niagara Alkalai, NACX 316, built 12-48, stenciled NEW

http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/products/detail/BroadwayLimitedImportsHO6000GallonTankCars24of28.png
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/products/detail/BroadwayLimitedImportsHO6000GallonTankCars23of28.png


Wyandotte, SHPX 3606, built 9-47, stenciled NEW

http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/products/detail/BroadwayLimitedImportsHO6000GallonTankCars21of28.png
http://www.broadway-limited.com/images/products/detail/BroadwayLimitedImportsHO6000GallonTankCars22of28.png

$27.50 PLUS SHIPPING each.  Please email me off list at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards

Bruce

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