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Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Charles Peck
 

I don't think I could last through 19 days of RPM meet.  (GRIN)
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 3:02 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.


Bill Welch




Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Bill Welch
 

They need to organize their own RPM Tony

Bill Welch


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Jack Mullen
 

My previous post inadvertently became a bit confusing. Due to internet time warp, it appeared after Tony's reconsidered post, so perhaps appearing that I disagreed with that.. To be clear, I concur with the later post, that the end platforms are cut into the original carbody, not tacked on.  BTW is "porch" an SP term?

Jack Mullen


Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Ken Adams
 

I know that Terry Wegmann died in 2011, but is there anyone with a supply of the parts he made to convert a Tichy R-40-2 into an R-30-16 or any other of his parts.


Does anyone still make the parts including roofs.


thanks


Ken Adams


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,
Those of you that have seen these cars can give an opinion.  How different are they from the Trix/Marklin cars that modeled the same prototype?  Can anyone compare the two in photos? 

Thank you,
Andy Laurent
Iowa City, IA

PS: Do any dealers that broke up 4-packs have surplus singles to market?


Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Brian Carlson
 

Bill, I'm not sure I can block out almost 3 weeks. That's some RPM! I assume you meant 20th and 21st of April 2018.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:02 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.


Bill Welch



Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

They couldn’t get new cabooses fast enough.

 

-Jeff

 

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Thanks, Jeff!  It does seem odd that in 1947, UP elected not to place an order to buy new cabooses. 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

According to Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78:

“During May through September 1947, 40 cars (UP 05700-05739) were converted from 175000-series steel underframe automobile cars, including the addition of side windows, end doors, and end platforms.  These automobile cars were originally built in November 1913 to January 1914.”

 

According to Appendix D in Union Pacific Freight Cars: 1936-51 by Terry Metcalfe p216, 175000-175399 were class A-40-1.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Subject: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Here is the caboose:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1948-May-Montpelier/i-F2Lvh62/A 

 

What class of boxcar was it converted from?

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Greg,

 

                You asked, “I wonder how long they lasted before going into MW services? Beautiful example of a rebuild.”

 

                The caboose in question was built as a temporary caboose: “In 1947 and 1951-52, traffic levels again reached high levels, and Union Pacific again found that it didn’t have sufficient cabooses for road service.” 

“With the arrival of 100 new CA-5 steel cabooses in 1952, this … group of 71 temporary cabooses was re-assigned to maintenance-of-way service as Boarding-Bunk cars.”

-Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78.

 

Regards,

-Jeff

 

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

Bruce,

 

You are right and one thing to consider is the amount of weight the car will handle now and in the future.

 

Also the shear on the web passing through the window frame would be structurally fine if all the components are well secured, think of a staircase going through a set of floor joist.

 

What is of interest is the damage to the top of the collision post on the left side.

 

I wonder how long they lasted before going into MW services? Beautiful example of a rebuild.

 

 

Greg Martin

 

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

 


Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

C. Strickland <cstrickjr@...>
 

Bill,
 
Which historical societies will be represented?
 
Craig Strickland
 
 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.

 
Bill Welch



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Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Tony Thompson
 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.


Hey! What about western Colorado coal? even Illinois and Arkansas coal?

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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the Broadway Limited tanks

Tony Thompson
 

I have received several of these cars, and in my own opinion they are really excellent. I have posted a short review to my blog, with a couple of photos to show the look. Boy, have we needed these! If you are interested in the review, you can find it here:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-new-broadway-limited-tank-cars.html

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Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Bill Welch
 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.

Bill Welch



Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Jim Betz
 

Tony,

Good catch - although in the pictures I've just checked
it looks like there might have been a sort of "double end
sill" ... there is a lighter structure but definitely
something I'd call a "sill" at the end of the platform.
And the frame under them seems to extend, without a break
from end to end. And those sills under the end of the
cabin don't seem to go all the way across and appear to be
supporting the steps as much as anything else.

Perhaps this created a sort of "crumple zone" in the
event of a rear end collision?
- Jim B.

4e. Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
Posted by: "Tony Thompson"tony@signaturepress.com sigpress
Date: Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:27 am ((PDT))

A detail to note on these cars: the end porches are added onto the original car body. The net result is how most cabooses were built -- the end sill is under the end door, not out at the end of the platform.

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Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

mikefrommontanan
 

Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:27 am (PDT) . Posted by:

"Tony Thompson" sigpress

A detail to note on these cars: the end porches are added onto the original car body. The net result is how most cabooses were built -- the end sill is under the end door, not out at the end of the platform.

    
I would beg to differ on this point.  The roof would have to have been entirely rebuilt to "tack" the platforms on the end.  If you look at the upper corner end of the roof, you can still see the tabs for the ladder/lateral roofwalk. 

In addition the fact that the Carmer cut levers survived the rebuild would be another indicator that the original end sill is at the end of the platform--versus the end of the carbody.

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

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Mikebrock
 

Bill Keene writes:

 

The OS is OS X Yosemite, version 10.10.5. The e-mail software is Apple’s Mail, version 8.2 (2104). 

 

I set the insertion point within the body of the message and clicked on the “attachment” button  and chose the image from my files, then clicked on the “choose file” button. I also have the e-mail program set to “send windows-friendly attachments”. 

 

I do not know if this will work through the Yahoo world if the image is attached at the end of the message or not. If there is an image (one that I do own the copyright just to play within the rules) then the “magic” still works. But this response is a private message not via Yahoo… so… enjoy the photo.

 

As I understand it, the reason why Yahoo demands that a photo be approved for copyright ownership is for Yahoo to satisfy federal copyright laws. When the message “owner”  agrees that they own copyright, the Yahoo group “owner” passes copyright responsibility to the message owner.

If a message "owner" displays a photo without copyright ownership, the message "owner" is in violation of federal copyright law even in a "private" environment. The key is "display". If message "owners" were able to display photos without group ownership [ and verification of copyright ownership ], the STMFC would cease to display photos.

 

Mike Brock

STMFC Owner

 

 

 

 


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Jack Mullen
 

Tony,
I respectfully disagree. Note that the bolsters are only a couple feet inboard from the ends of the carbody, and the outer wheels are under the platform. I think the side sills have been cut away to create stepwells.

Jack Mullen


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Tony Thompson
 

I wrote:

 

       A detail to note on these cars: the end porches are added onto the original car body. The net result is how most cabooses were built -- the end sill is under the end door, not out at the end of the platform.


     More careful examination of the original A-40-1 car body makes me reverse the above judgement. The end porches are cut into the original car body, and the end sill is indeed at the end of the car.


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URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The information below is from the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society/Southern California Chapter's Rail Giant's website (http://www.railgiants.org/index.htm).

 

This particular car was leased to multiple owners over its lifetime. I wonder how common this was for similar cars. The information seems to imply that the car was not always a RSM class refrigerator car so perhaps it was a class RS (produce reefer) at one time before the meat rails were installed.

 

From the website:

 

The Union Refrigerator Transit Line operated this car which was built by the General American Transportation Corporation in 1950. The car carried the CMStP&P herald (Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad) until 1962 when the car was reclassed as "RSM" with meat rails and a large sliding door replaced the original hinged doors. The car received a new yellow paint job and a large "OSCAR MAYER" logo. A year later the car was repainted the Hiawatha Orange, numbered URTX 67806 and assigned to the "CUDAHY" Packing Company. Its final service was to the "SWIFT" Company and was donated to the Chapter in 1991.

 

Photo Link:

 

http://www.railgiants.org/images/explore/ice%20cooled/001.jpg

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Cabooses -NYC boxcar rebuilds.

Andy Carlson
 

Ray mentions the need for a thin cross section end for the NKP rebuild.

Find someone who resin casts; an occasional hobbyist caster will do.
Make an end to your satisfaction, glue it to a mold box, and pour a RTV rubber mold. After mold has cured, spray liberal amounts of mold release agent to the cavity. Now, pour a small amount of RTV into this cavity. Remove when cured. Pour a partial fill of resin into the end mold and carefully let in the small "Mold-of-a-mold", pressing it firmly enough to displace resin, but not enough to "bottom out". After the resin cures remove from both mold pieces. This is a simplification, as the sides of the end, plus the end sill area both need to have some modelers clay applied so you don't get a super-thin corner and sill. Contact me if you want any clarification.

Parts cast this way can be made by the dozens.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC]"

 
Hi guys,

The Nickel Plate also had two groups of cabooses built from Accurail's 36-footers.

 Since the corrugated steel ends were fully visible, any modeling attempt will have to include thinning those parts as much as possible to get a realistic cross section.









Re: Cabooses - Cabeese? NYC boxcar rebuilds.

Ray Breyer
 

Hi guys,

The Nickel Plate also had two groups of cabooses built from Accurail's 36-footers. 37 "rider cars" with no vestibules, and 57 true cabooses. The NKPHTS issued a resin model of the rider cars a couple of years ago, and both cars have been offered in brass in various scales.

Kitbashing the cabooses will be a challenge. Since the corrugated steel ends were fully visible, any modeling attempt will have to include thinning those parts as much as possible to get a realistic cross section. It's a real challenge; one that I should probably attempt some day, but will probably hold off on for a few years (these cars weren't built until 1943, and so are ten years newer than my prime focus).

The wood-ended Accurail shorty does open up a few other modeling opportunities for home-brew cabooses. Off the top of my head, the AC&Y, W&LE, and CGW all had similar cars, and I'm sure that dozens of other roads did too.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Seth Lakin lakinsa@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:53 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cabooses - Cabeese? NYC boxcar rebuilds.

Dennis wrote:
> NYC rebuilt from boxcars during WWII...the class of boxcar they started with is almost (identical to) the new Accurail kit... it seems the easiest course of action would be to remove the sides entirely and replace them with Evergreen styrene "car siding." The channel side sill could be built up from styrene strip. Grandt Line has a selection of "camp car windows" that may be useful.

Exactly what I am working on right now. There were three versions that were rebuilt. One has the side doors with solid ends sometimes called a work train caboose or rider car. The other two had vestibule ends and opened steel ends, one with three side and no end window, the other only two side windows with a end window on the inside of the vestibule.

I have copies of NYC drawings for two of these versions. Titchy/Grandt Line outfit car windows are exactly the same size. Use the rectangle windows with vertical glazing bars removed for the sides and the square ones for the ends of the side door caboose.

While not specified in the drawings but hints that the cars received AB brakes at some time, which my models have.

What I was not able to locate is how many of each conversion was done, the series and how long they lasted. Either way look forward to my documentation of my conversions in a future NYCentral Modeler. 

Also planned amid a large pile of other projects is using the Accurail 36' fishbelly frame to model a 20100 series lot 732 caboose.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN






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