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Re: BLI TAnk cars

riverman_vt@...
 

It does not appear that you offer the four-pack with the Brown Co. car.

Cordially, Don Valentine


---In STMFC@..., <maskisland@...> wrote :

Reference is made to the BLI tank cars. A reminder as previously posted that I am offering a limited amount of four packs of these cars. Prices moderately put and includes shipping. Please visit my web site. Maskislanddecals.com go to the BLI icon and view the availability.

Thank you !

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc.


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Ken Adams
 

The problem is finding the Wegmann conversion parts. Also Basic RC PFE wood side ice car kits are almost impossible to find at a kit bashing price.

Ken Adams


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

Douglas Harding
 

Bob the car was owned by Union Refrigerator Transit, not anyone else. URTC was a major supplier of leased reefers, that was their business. If it was a long term lease, as in the Milwaukee from 1950 to 1962, long term leases often called for the cars to be painted for the lessee. Other leases could be much shorter, some as short as a month or two, when a shipper was short cars or a crop was being harvested. A short term lease car would wear a standard URTX p/l scheme. So yes the car could have been leased to many different users through its life. It would also be repainted, renumbered, even repaired or modified by URTC to meet the demands of the lessee

 

The 1953 ORER shows no Milwaukee reefers, of any kind. And it shows URTC 67806 in 1953 was a 37’ RSM reefer, probably a wood car.

The 1960 ORER shows URTC 67806 was a 43’ RSM. Which indicates URTC renumbered or replaced cars.

Photos of 67000 series cars can be seen in Gene Green’s Color Refrigerator Car book, which look similar to the photo you linked.

 

RS is the AAR Car Code to indicate it was a bunker refrigerator car equipped with ice bunkers. Designed primarily for use of chunk ice and with or without means of ventilation.

RSM was a RS equipped with meat rails.

RS cars could be used to transport meat and packing house products, esp boxed or canned PHP. The meat rails merely means the car was equipped for hanging meat, ie carcasses.

 

RA Brine-Tank refrigerator. Equipped with insulation and brine-tanks. Designed primarily for the combined use of crushed ice and salt and usually without ventilating devices. Used chiefly for meats and packing-house products.

RAM was a Brine-Tank car with meat rails.

 

There is nothing in the AAR codes that designates a reefer as a produce reefer.

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 12:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

 

 

The information below is from the Railway & Locomotive Historical Society/Southern California Chapter's Rail Giant's website (http://www.railgiants.org/index.htm).

 

This particular car was leased to multiple owners over its lifetime. I wonder how common this was for similar cars. The information seems to imply that the car was not always a RSM class refrigerator car so perhaps it was a class RS (produce reefer) at one time before the meat rails were installed.

 

From the website:

 

The Union Refrigerator Transit Line operated this car which was built by the General American Transportation Corporation in 1950. The car carried the CMStP&P herald (Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad) until 1962 when the car was reclassed as "RSM" with meat rails and a large sliding door replaced the original hinged doors. The car received a new yellow paint job and a large "OSCAR MAYER" logo. A year later the car was repainted the Hiawatha Orange, numbered URTX 67806 and assigned to the "CUDAHY" Packing Company. Its final service was to the "SWIFT" Company and was donated to the Chapter in 1991.

 

Photo Link:

 

http://www.railgiants.org/images/explore/ice%20cooled/001.jpg

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks: THANK YOU to Ed Hawkins

Bill Welch
 

Although I do not believe he would ever seek it, I think we owe a big collective THANK YOU to Ed Hawkins for working with Broadway on these tank cars.

Bill Welch


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

Mathematically speaking, Trix < BLI <<< Tangent.


  Tim's finger musta got stuck or something. I'd say Trix <<< BLI << Tangent.


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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history






BLI TAnk cars

hubert mask
 

Reference is made to the BLI tank cars. A reminder as previously posted that I am offering a limited amount of four packs of these cars. Prices moderately put and includes shipping. Please visit my web site. Maskislanddecals.com go to the BLI icon and view the availability.

Thank you !

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc.


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Greg Martin
 

Thanks Jeff,
 
Kind of a shame that they were relegated to work service so quickly.
 
I wonder if anyone has taken the time to really focus on a good kitbash or scratch-bash of it? I don't think a scratch-bash would be that hard.
 
Greg
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 4/23/2017 12:57:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:

Greg,

                You asked, “I wonder how long they lasted before going into MW services? Beautiful example of a rebuild.”

                The caboose in question was built as a temporary caboose: “In 1947 and 1951-52, traffic levels again reached high levels, and Union Pacific again found that it didn't have sufficient cabooses for road service.” 

“With the arrival of 100 new CA-5 steel cabooses in 1952, this … group of 71 temporary cabooses was re-assigned to maintenance-of-way service as Boarding-Bunk cars.”

-Cabooses of the Union Pacific Railroad by Don Strack and James L. Ehrenberger p78.

Regards,

-Jeff


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Tim O'Connor
 


The Trix cars had some issues that the BLI cars improved upon, especially
the jacket thickness - and of course the underframe, trucks and draft gear.

Mathematically speaking, Trix < BLI <<< Tangent.

Tim O'



Andy, Tony Thompson showed pictures of his models and reviewed them in his blog. Take a look at his note to this group today. Mine are on their way from Cali!
 
Gary Laakso


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

gary laakso
 

Andy, Tony Thompson showed pictures of his models and reviewed them in his blog.  Take a look at his note to this group today.  Mine are on their way from Cali!

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

 

 

Gents,
Those of you that have seen these cars can give an opinion.  How different are they from the Trix/Marklin cars that modeled the same prototype?  Can anyone compare the two in photos? 

Thank you,
Andy Laurent
Iowa City, IA

PS: Do any dealers that broke up 4-packs have surplus singles to market?


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Jared Harper
 

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Athens, GA 30606


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Jack Mullen
 

It's not uncommon for boxcars that are converted to cabooses or MOW camp cars to have some of the side truss members removed or severed to accommodate windows. The new use doesn't require anything near the original load capacity, indeed it's much like an empty boxcar. But notice also that the severed ends of the diagonals terminate at new horizontal structural members: a Z above the window, and an angle below the window sill. These are connected to the posts on either side of the window, and this revised framing restores some of the lost shear strength. 

I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>

Jack Mullen


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Bill Welch
 

Terry's 30-16 kitbash-in-a-box utilzed the Red Caboose's PFE wood reefer. He cut the ends of the body core so that his roof would fit and included some pieces of Evergreen styrene. Presumably the InterMountain roof could be combined with the RC or Tichy body.

Bill Welch


Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Bill Welch
 

I did make a mistake in the text Brian but the subject line has it correctly.

Bill Welch


Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Charles Peck
 

I don't think I could last through 19 days of RPM meet.  (GRIN)
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 3:02 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.


Bill Welch




Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Bill Welch
 

They need to organize their own RPM Tony

Bill Welch


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Jack Mullen
 

My previous post inadvertently became a bit confusing. Due to internet time warp, it appeared after Tony's reconsidered post, so perhaps appearing that I disagreed with that.. To be clear, I concur with the later post, that the end platforms are cut into the original carbody, not tacked on.  BTW is "porch" an SP term?

Jack Mullen


Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Ken Adams
 

I know that Terry Wegmann died in 2011, but is there anyone with a supply of the parts he made to convert a Tichy R-40-2 into an R-30-16 or any other of his parts.


Does anyone still make the parts including roofs.


thanks


Ken Adams


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,
Those of you that have seen these cars can give an opinion.  How different are they from the Trix/Marklin cars that modeled the same prototype?  Can anyone compare the two in photos? 

Thank you,
Andy Laurent
Iowa City, IA

PS: Do any dealers that broke up 4-packs have surplus singles to market?


Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Brian Carlson
 

Bill, I'm not sure I can block out almost 3 weeks. That's some RPM! I assume you meant 20th and 21st of April 2018.

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 23, 2017, at 3:02 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Several Southeastern RR Historical Societies are collaborating to organize what hopefully will become an annual "Coal Country RPM" beginning next year. The first one is planned for Roanoke, VA April 2-21, 2018. "Ya'll Modelers" please mark your calendars.


Bill Welch


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