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Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

Tim O'Connor
 


Dennis those all appear to be significantly different looking rebuilds than
this car - and I could be wrong but they all appear to be 36 foot cars! (I know
the web site says they are 40 feet long but they sure don't look like it to me.
Maybe an optical illusion because the doors aren't as tall?)

I sent Bob Witt a photo of URTX 63648, a Dubuque meat reefer that appears to
be identical to URTX 67806 except that 63648 has side sill tabs. The draft gear
on both cars appears to extend out from the end sill - just as it would on any
car with a Duryea underframe.

Tim O'




I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.
====================

The Illinois Railway Museum has these cars on the property: URTX 66219, 66221, 66234, and 66244, all of which appear to match the car we are talking about. Their roster claims they were built bu General American in 1954. Some still show visages of the Oscar Meyer logo. These cars are not part of the collection, but were acquired as parts storage space. More info here:

http://www.irm.org/roster/freight.html

Dennis Storzek


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Re: Mystery car

Tim O'Connor
 


Yep. I took many photos of a nearly identical ex-NYC car sitting in the
"relic collection" in Utica, New York ~14-15 years ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/34089410612/

Tim O'Connor




Ya know, it's helpful to post an image or a link� and the funning thinng is, GOOGLE found it right away:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/419/19787279323_941656a809_b.jpg

That looks like a GSC 90 ton flat, similar to those used by the NH, NYC, SOUTHERN and  a number of other roads.

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           




Can someone look up the original RR that owned the about 36-foot cast drop bottom flatcar that spent its last years as HCMX-4403 in the Harnischfeger Milwaukee plant??

It was scrapped a few years ago and looked like it was maybe pre-war era.

I got lots of pictures of her with repair plates and a flood of cut off load supports on her. The weathering from that is a mind blower.

Harnischfeger must have used her for many years to ship the larger sections of their mining shovels to the customer.

I suspect it to be post WW-1 of one of the local RR's. The corporation is just to the south of the main Milwaukee Road shops and the CNW runs through the middle of the property.

Mike Bauers


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.
====================

The Illinois Railway Museum has these cars on the property: URTX 66219, 66221, 66234, and 66244, all of which appear to match the car we are talking about. Their roster claims they were built bu General American in 1954. Some still show visages of the Oscar Meyer logo. These cars are not part of the collection, but were acquired as parts storage space. More info here:


Dennis Storzek


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Allen Montgomery
 

Jeff,
You forgot about the high prices that the life guard union was charging in those days.
Allen


On Monday, April 24, 2017 9:38 AM, "'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jack,
 
                You wrote, “I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>”
 
Actually                , that’s the wrong kind of “pool”.  UP did experiment with Pool cabooses converted from tank cars.  They scrapped the cars after several injuries caused by crews fitting unauthorized diving boards.
 
Regards,
 
-Jeff
 
(Only 23 days too late for April Fool’s Day).
 
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 
 
It's not uncommon for boxcars that are converted to cabooses or MOW camp cars to have some of the side truss members removed or severed to accommodate windows. The new use doesn't require anything near the original load capacity, indeed it's much like an empty boxcar. But notice also that the severed ends of the diagonals terminate at new horizontal structural members: a Z above the window, and an angle below the window sill. These are connected to the posts on either side of the window, and this revised framing restores some of the lost shear strength. 
 
I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>
 
Jack Mullen



Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jack,

 

                You wrote, “I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>”

 

Actually                , that’s the wrong kind of “pool”.  UP did experiment with Pool cabooses converted from tank cars.  They scrapped the cars after several injuries caused by crews fitting unauthorized diving boards.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

(Only 23 days too late for April Fool’s Day).

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

It's not uncommon for boxcars that are converted to cabooses or MOW camp cars to have some of the side truss members removed or severed to accommodate windows. The new use doesn't require anything near the original load capacity, indeed it's much like an empty boxcar. But notice also that the severed ends of the diagonals terminate at new horizontal structural members: a Z above the window, and an angle below the window sill. These are connected to the posts on either side of the window, and this revised framing restores some of the lost shear strength. 

 

I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>

 

Jack Mullen


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

rwitt_2000
 

I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.

URTX 67806 could a rebuild of their "standard" 40-ft wood reefer with steel underframes. Many received replacement steel ends and roofs and some received sliding doors, but 67806 may have received a new all-steel superstructure dropped on a re-enforced underframe.

The car fleet for URTX maybe as complicated as that for the FGE and companies. I will be interested in what others can share.

Bob Witt


Re: Mystery car

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,

Ya know, it’s helpful to post an image or a link… and the funning thing is, GOOGLE found it right away:

That looks like a GSC 90 ton flat, similar to those used by the NH, NYC, SOUTHERN and  a number of other roads.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Apr 23, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Can someone look up the original RR that owned the about 36-foot cast drop bottom flatcar that spent its last years as HCMX-4403 in the Harnischfeger Milwaukee plant??

It was scrapped a few years ago and looked like it was maybe pre-war era.

I got lots of pictures of her with repair plates and a flood of cut off load supports on her. The weathering from that is a mind blower.

Harnischfeger must have used her for many years to ship the larger sections of their mining shovels to the customer.

I suspect it to be post WW-1 of one of the local RR's. The corporation is just to the south of the main Milwaukee Road shops and the CNW runs through the middle of the property.

Mike Bauers




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Weathering box carsr

Eric Hansmann
 

A couple of model progress photos has turned into a blog post. Craig Zeni offers an update on a couple of weathered box car models. Check out his techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/weathering-tips/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Fred Jansz
 

Also take care not to use the IM/RC R-30-12-9 (or the WP car) because it's the short version compared to the IM/RC R-30-9 body, which is the >1939 tall version. Difference between both models is 3mm.
Apart from that, IM/RC models are missing the metal strips + bolts holding the boards to the frame on the lower side of the car (Tichy and Sunshine do have these). Also the reinforcement strips on the ends are missing and there is no coupler pocket detail. In fact the tooling of these IM/RC models is rather dated, compared to what we are expecting today.
I sure hope IM will reconsider the tooling of their wooden reefers when they think about starting a new line of these.
Happy modeling, cheers, Fred Jansz


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

James Babcock
 

I too would fudge and use a couple of R-54s as the rest are beyond my modeling period.
Jim


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On Sun, 4/23/17, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2017, 10:43 PM


 









I would fudge and use some RR-54,
but everything else is just too late for my modeling.
 Steve Sandifer  From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:
Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To:
STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You
Want?    I have a friend who is in the product development
group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have
been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation
mechanical refrigerator car. This week he finally
asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and
possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is
an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself. If you were to propose
that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of
a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car,
which class would you suggest? Keep in mind, a
manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would
sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme
variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple
production runs over the years. In the case of mechanical
reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW
service also are positive factors. So, what are your
candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I
assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied
details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively
easy. Thanks. Bob ChaparroHemet, CA










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Hooker paint scheme. Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have photos of a Hooker paint scheme that Broadway is producing in the 1950's I am just wondering how long lasting that paint scheme was? My tank car photos are very limited. 

Brian Carlson 


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Bill Welch
 

Why not try combining an InterMountain PFE 40-10 roof w/the Tichy sides and ends?

Bill Welch


Mystery car

mwbauers
 

Can someone look up the original RR that owned the about 36-foot cast drop bottom flatcar that spent its last years as HCMX-4403 in the Harnischfeger Milwaukee plant??

It was scrapped a few years ago and looked like it was maybe pre-war era.

I got lots of pictures of her with repair plates and a flood of cut off load supports on her. The weathering from that is a mind blower.

Harnischfeger must have used her for many years to ship the larger sections of their mining shovels to the customer.

I suspect it to be post WW-1 of one of the local RR's. The corporation is just to the south of the main Milwaukee Road shops and the CNW runs through the middle of the property.

Mike Bauers


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


I wondered if anyone was planning in replacing the trucks on the BLI 6K tank cars.  That seems to me to be the weakest part of these cars... and I'm wondering what to swap in place of the BLI trucks.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

Tim O'Connor
 


  > I model the early 1960s. The other class that attracts my attention is Rr-69 with 500 built in 1961.
  > Posted by: "Gary Green"

Obviously the Rr-69 is post-STMFC. Nevertheless, a manufacturer might want to
consider it because many, if not all, of these cars were REBUILT as box cars
(Bx-195 class) - so a clever manufacturer might be able to get two freight car
models for only slightly higher investment, and could sell them to 1961 up to
the late 1990's if not later - A much longer time span than the early reefers.

And like the other SF reefers, these cars were LONGER than 50 feet but shorter
than 57 feet (the most popular sizes) which makes them visually more distinctive.

Tim O'Connor


Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Merlyn Lauber
 

Andy,

We have been selling singles since they arrived.

Merlyn Lauber
Caboose Stop Hobbies
Cedar Falls, Iowa

----- Original Message -----
From: andy.laurent@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 16:21:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [STMFC] Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Gents,
Those of you that have seen these cars can give an opinion. How different are they from the Trix/Marklin cars that modeled the same prototype? Can anyone compare the two in photos?

Thank you,
Andy Laurent
Iowa City, IA

PS: Do any dealers that broke up 4-packs have surplus singles to market?


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

Tim O'Connor
 


  > If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation
    > Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

Bob my suggestion would be the Rr-54 - They were delivered in 1953, and wore at least 3, maybe 4, different
paint schemes over the years. Reporting marks changed over the years as well. The Rr-56 came a couple years
later and looked pretty much the same, but had 1 fewer paint schemes. Both classes initially wore the names
of passenger trains (Super Chief or El Capitan) on one side, and S&T on the other side.

None of them existed in large numbers!! I think there were 30 Rr-54's and about 150 Rr-56's.

The -54 and -56 had roller bearings with CAPS rather than the rotating bearings that are universal today. This
gave the trucks a very distinctive look. The manufacturer should know that they might have to tool a new truck!

One thing that makes the Santa Fe reefers more interesting is that they were 2 ft to 3 ft longer than 50 foot PFE
reefers! Of course my personal preference would be a 40 or 50 foot PFE mechanical reefer. PFE had 500 of the
40 foot R-40-30's.

I tried talking Martin Lofton into doing an early mechanical reefer, but no, too modern for him. :-(

Tim O'Connor


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would fudge and use some RR-54, but everything else is just too late for my modeling.

 

Steve Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

 

 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

thecitrusbelt@...
 



---In STMFC@..., <gary@...> wrote :

Bob,

The Rr-56 would be a very desirable model with a significant number built in the later 1950s.

I model the early 1960s. The other class that attracts my attention is Rr-69 with 500 built in 1961.

Gary
+++++
The SFRD Class Rr-56 contained 233 cars built in 1955. A fit for the very, very late steam era plus the diesel era. Santa Fe had 191 of these cars on the roster as late as 1971.

Bob



Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

lol - YMMV.

In any case, it's the order that matters, not the magnitude. :-)

Tim


Tim O'Connor wrote:

Mathematically speaking, Trix < BLI <<< Tangent.

  Tim's finger musta got stuck or something. I'd say Trix <<< BLI << Tangent.

Tony Thompson 

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