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Re: Pressure regulators for airbrushing

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

You should be able to simply replace the 0-300 psi pressure gauge with a 0-50 psi gauge or something similar. You just need to take the current gauge to the hardware store and add any fittings needed to mate the new gauge to the existing connection. I’m guessing that the only potential problem is to not open the 2nd regulator too far that you exceed the capacity of the pressure gauge.



Jack Burgess



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2017 5:18 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Pressure regulators for airbrushing








Hi-

Back in the 1980s I acquired a 20 pound CO2 bottle and a Badger single gauge regulator. I am 100% satisfied with the whole unit's operation, and I am impressed at the simplicity and ease to set the operating pressure.



I have recently acquired acquired another 20 pound CO2 bottle and a different make of regulator. This regulator has 2 gauges--one for bottle pressure (0-3000 PSI) and a 2nd gauge for the regulated output pressure of 0-300 PSI.



I am reminded of the old days of a 9000 RPM tachometer in a car with 5000 RPM shift points. The usable range of RPMs is but a portion of the tach face, making small increments harder to read. With the 2nd pressure regulator, the range in which I would use is 15-30 PSI, but the sweep area for that is difficult to ascertain as that range is just 1/4 " travel of the gauge's dial.



My question for those whom may be able to help is this: Do I just need another down-stream gauge for the regulator, or am I not using the correct regulator for my application. I wish to give this 2nd CO2 outfit to a long-time friend and would like him to be able to jump right in without any difficulties.



Thanks,

-Andy Carlson

Ojai CA










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Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

 

This is a tough one. All the choices made would be welcome to us modelers. I would probably go with an Rr-56 just because of the number built compared to the others.

Rich Christie

ps - I too have seen them in MOW colors. There was a pair used as buffer cars for a welded rail train traveling over Tehachapi back in the 80s. They would remove the roof and fill them with rebar, then reattach the roof.


On Monday, April 24, 2017 2:39 PM, "Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 
Charlie Slater 

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 
I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.
 
This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.
 
If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?
 
Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.
 
In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.
 
So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

Bill Vaughn
 

The Rr-56 would be a great car and so would the Rr-69

Bill Vaughn



On Monday, April 24, 2017 12:39 PM, "Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 
Charlie Slater 

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 
I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.
 
This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.
 
If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?
 
Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.
 
In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.
 
So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: Coal Country RPM: April 20-21, 2018

Michael Gross
 

Guess they have to start in what most think of as "coal country," but appreciate Tony's comment as regards Illinois, as I was always fascinated by Coal City on the AT&SF's Illinois Division.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA
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Pressure regulators for airbrushing

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-
Back in the 1980s I acquired a 20 pound CO2 bottle and a Badger single gauge regulator. I am 100% satisfied with the whole unit's operation, and I am impressed at the simplicity and ease to set the operating pressure.

I have recently acquired acquired another 20 pound CO2 bottle and a different make of regulator. This regulator has 2 gauges--one for bottle pressure (0-3000 PSI) and a 2nd gauge for the regulated output pressure of 0-300 PSI.

I am reminded of the old days of a 9000 RPM tachometer in a car with 5000 RPM shift points. The usable range of RPMs is but a portion of the tach face, making small increments harder to read. With the 2nd pressure regulator, the range in which I would use is 15-30 PSI, but the sweep area for that is difficult to ascertain as that range is just 1/4 " travel of the gauge's dial.

My question for those whom may be able to help is this: Do I just need another down-stream gauge for the regulator, or am I not using the correct regulator for my application. I wish to give this 2nd CO2 outfit to a long-time friend and would like him to be able to jump right in without any difficulties.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

ROGER HINMAN
 

There were two different types of cars built by GA in 1954. A fairly large order of 15000 series cars for Swift which were meant to replace the little red wooden cars and had a similar IL of 29" and change. There was a smaller lot of forty foot plus cars built for URTX with plug doors. Almost all of the post WW2 GA cars I have seen at museums have had the tabbed side sills replaced with a full length side sill. 

Roger Hinman


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Apr 24, 2017 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

 

Dennis those all appear to be significantly different looking rebuilds than
this car - and I could be wrong but they all appear to be 36 foot cars! (I know
the web site says they are 40 feet long but they sure don't look like it to me.
Maybe an optical illusion because the doors aren't as tall?)

I sent Bob Witt a photo of URTX 63648, a Dubuque meat reefer that appears to
be identical to URTX 67806 except that 63648 has side sill tabs. The draft gear
on both cars appears to extend out from the end sill - just as it would on any
car with a Duryea underframe.

Tim O'




I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.
====================

The Illinois Railway Museum has these cars on the property: URTX 66219, 66221, 66234, and 66244, all of which appear to match the car we are talking about. Their roster claims they were built bu General American in 1954. Some still show visages of the Oscar Meyer logo. These cars are not part of the collection, but were acquired as parts storage space. More info here:

http://www.irm.org/roster/freight.html

Dennis Storzek


http://www.railgiants.org/images/explore/ice%20cooled/001.jpg


Re: Hinges - Swift Refrigerator Cars

ROGER HINMAN
 

This was a General American design from 1934 that they first used on the URTX 89000 series refrigerators. They were used off and on in General American designs for the next couple of decades.

Roger Hinman



-----Original Message-----
From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Apr 24, 2017 4:07 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Hinges - Swift Refrigerator Cars

 
I noticed that the three Swift swing door ice bunker refrigerator cars in the Illinois Railway Museum's collection all have two hinges per door. Here are the cars:
 
 
 
 
Most refrigerator cars I have seen have three hinges with very few having only two. Was this something particular to one or two car builders or was this simply something specified by the owner?
 
Thanks.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Hinges - Swift Refrigerator Cars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I noticed that the three Swift swing door ice bunker refrigerator cars in the Illinois Railway Museum's collection all have two hinges per door. Here are the cars:

 

http://www.irm.org/gallery/SRLX15030

 

http://www.irm.org/gallery/SRLX15802

 

http://www.irm.org/gallery/SRLX15833

 

Most refrigerator cars I have seen have three hinges with very few having only two. Was this something particular to one or two car builders or was this simply something specified by the owner?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

charles slater
 

Bob some of the Rr-56 cars went into M of W service also, I forgot to mention that on my last E-mail. Also I have many photos of these cars. 

Charlie Slater 


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From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
 
 

I have a friend who is in the product development group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation mechanical refrigerator car.

 

This week he finally asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself.

 

If you were to propose that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car, which class would you suggest?

 

Keep in mind, a manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple production runs over the years.

 

In the case of mechanical reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW service also are positive factors.

 

So, what are your candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively easy.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

Tim O'Connor
 


Dennis those all appear to be significantly different looking rebuilds than
this car - and I could be wrong but they all appear to be 36 foot cars! (I know
the web site says they are 40 feet long but they sure don't look like it to me.
Maybe an optical illusion because the doors aren't as tall?)

I sent Bob Witt a photo of URTX 63648, a Dubuque meat reefer that appears to
be identical to URTX 67806 except that 63648 has side sill tabs. The draft gear
on both cars appears to extend out from the end sill - just as it would on any
car with a Duryea underframe.

Tim O'




I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.
====================

The Illinois Railway Museum has these cars on the property: URTX 66219, 66221, 66234, and 66244, all of which appear to match the car we are talking about. Their roster claims they were built bu General American in 1954. Some still show visages of the Oscar Meyer logo. These cars are not part of the collection, but were acquired as parts storage space. More info here:

http://www.irm.org/roster/freight.html

Dennis Storzek


http://www.railgiants.org/images/explore/ice%20cooled/001.jpg


Re: Mystery car

Tim O'Connor
 


Yep. I took many photos of a nearly identical ex-NYC car sitting in the
"relic collection" in Utica, New York ~14-15 years ago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/34089410612/

Tim O'Connor




Ya know, it's helpful to post an image or a link� and the funning thinng is, GOOGLE found it right away:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/419/19787279323_941656a809_b.jpg

That looks like a GSC 90 ton flat, similar to those used by the NH, NYC, SOUTHERN and  a number of other roads.

Regards

Bruce F. Smith           




Can someone look up the original RR that owned the about 36-foot cast drop bottom flatcar that spent its last years as HCMX-4403 in the Harnischfeger Milwaukee plant??

It was scrapped a few years ago and looked like it was maybe pre-war era.

I got lots of pictures of her with repair plates and a flood of cut off load supports on her. The weathering from that is a mind blower.

Harnischfeger must have used her for many years to ship the larger sections of their mining shovels to the customer.

I suspect it to be post WW-1 of one of the local RR's. The corporation is just to the south of the main Milwaukee Road shops and the CNW runs through the middle of the property.

Mike Bauers


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.
====================

The Illinois Railway Museum has these cars on the property: URTX 66219, 66221, 66234, and 66244, all of which appear to match the car we are talking about. Their roster claims they were built bu General American in 1954. Some still show visages of the Oscar Meyer logo. These cars are not part of the collection, but were acquired as parts storage space. More info here:


Dennis Storzek


Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Allen Montgomery <sandbear75@...>
 

Jeff,
You forgot about the high prices that the life guard union was charging in those days.
Allen


On Monday, April 24, 2017 9:38 AM, "'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jack,
 
                You wrote, “I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>”
 
Actually                , that’s the wrong kind of “pool”.  UP did experiment with Pool cabooses converted from tank cars.  They scrapped the cars after several injuries caused by crews fitting unauthorized diving boards.
 
Regards,
 
-Jeff
 
(Only 23 days too late for April Fool’s Day).
 
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?
 
 
It's not uncommon for boxcars that are converted to cabooses or MOW camp cars to have some of the side truss members removed or severed to accommodate windows. The new use doesn't require anything near the original load capacity, indeed it's much like an empty boxcar. But notice also that the severed ends of the diagonals terminate at new horizontal structural members: a Z above the window, and an angle below the window sill. These are connected to the posts on either side of the window, and this revised framing restores some of the lost shear strength. 
 
I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>
 
Jack Mullen



Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jack,

 

                You wrote, “I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>”

 

Actually                , that’s the wrong kind of “pool”.  UP did experiment with Pool cabooses converted from tank cars.  They scrapped the cars after several injuries caused by crews fitting unauthorized diving boards.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

(Only 23 days too late for April Fool’s Day).

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What Class Boxcar Was This UP Caboose Converted From?

 

 

It's not uncommon for boxcars that are converted to cabooses or MOW camp cars to have some of the side truss members removed or severed to accommodate windows. The new use doesn't require anything near the original load capacity, indeed it's much like an empty boxcar. But notice also that the severed ends of the diagonals terminate at new horizontal structural members: a Z above the window, and an angle below the window sill. These are connected to the posts on either side of the window, and this revised framing restores some of the lost shear strength. 

 

I kinda figured that the reason for this conversion was that with the beginning of pool cabooses, the large auto car body was needed to provide room for the pool table. < grinning and ducking>

 

Jack Mullen


Re: URTX 67806 (Meat Reefer)

rwitt_2000
 

I looked in the photos I have for a similar URTX reefers and cannot find any. Reefer similar to this one were probably built new in the 1950s with 3-3 dart naught ends and horizontal side seams and Duryea underframes and poorly modeled by Walthers ~20 years ago. However, URTX 67806 doesn't appear to have a Duryea underframe.

URTX 67806 could a rebuild of their "standard" 40-ft wood reefer with steel underframes. Many received replacement steel ends and roofs and some received sliding doors, but 67806 may have received a new all-steel superstructure dropped on a re-enforced underframe.

The car fleet for URTX maybe as complicated as that for the FGE and companies. I will be interested in what others can share.

Bob Witt


Re: Mystery car

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,

Ya know, it’s helpful to post an image or a link… and the funning thing is, GOOGLE found it right away:

That looks like a GSC 90 ton flat, similar to those used by the NH, NYC, SOUTHERN and  a number of other roads.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Apr 23, 2017, at 10:32 PM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Can someone look up the original RR that owned the about 36-foot cast drop bottom flatcar that spent its last years as HCMX-4403 in the Harnischfeger Milwaukee plant??

It was scrapped a few years ago and looked like it was maybe pre-war era.

I got lots of pictures of her with repair plates and a flood of cut off load supports on her. The weathering from that is a mind blower.

Harnischfeger must have used her for many years to ship the larger sections of their mining shovels to the customer.

I suspect it to be post WW-1 of one of the local RR's. The corporation is just to the south of the main Milwaukee Road shops and the CNW runs through the middle of the property.

Mike Bauers




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Weathering box carsr

Eric Hansmann
 

A couple of model progress photos has turned into a blog post. Craig Zeni offers an update on a couple of weathered box car models. Check out his techniques in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/weathering-tips/



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Terry Wegmann PFE Kit Parts

Fred Jansz
 

Also take care not to use the IM/RC R-30-12-9 (or the WP car) because it's the short version compared to the IM/RC R-30-9 body, which is the >1939 tall version. Difference between both models is 3mm.
Apart from that, IM/RC models are missing the metal strips + bolts holding the boards to the frame on the lower side of the car (Tichy and Sunshine do have these). Also the reinforcement strips on the ends are missing and there is no coupler pocket detail. In fact the tooling of these IM/RC models is rather dated, compared to what we are expecting today.
I sure hope IM will reconsider the tooling of their wooden reefers when they think about starting a new line of these.
Happy modeling, cheers, Fred Jansz


Re: Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?

James Babcock
 

I too would fudge and use a couple of R-54s as the rest are beyond my modeling period.
Jim


--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 4/23/17, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You Want?
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2017, 10:43 PM


 









I would fudge and use some RR-54,
but everything else is just too late for my modeling.
 Steve Sandifer  From: STMFC@...
[mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent:
Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:15 PM
To:
STMFC@...
Subject:
[STMFC] Early ATSF Mechanical Reefer Models - What Do You
Want?    I have a friend who is in the product development
group at a major model manufacture. For many years I have
been asking him (Read: begging) for a first generation
mechanical refrigerator car. This week he finally
asked me what I would propose for an HO scale model (and
possibly one in N scale as well). My personal preference is
an Rr-56, however, I only speak for myself. If you were to propose
that a manufacturer invest in the tooling and production of
a first generation Santa Fe mechanical refrigerator car,
which class would you suggest? Keep in mind, a
manufacturer wants to be able to produce cars that would
sell based on the number of prototypes built, paint scheme
variations and re-numberings that would allow for multiple
production runs over the years. In the case of mechanical
reefers, later conversions to insulated boxcars and MOW
service also are positive factors. So, what are your
candidate mechanical reefers (Santa Fe ONLY) and why? And I
assume most everyone on this group wants separately applied
details or a design that makes such upgrades relatively
easy. Thanks. Bob ChaparroHemet, CA










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Hooker paint scheme. Re: the Broadway Limited tanks

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have photos of a Hooker paint scheme that Broadway is producing in the 1950's I am just wondering how long lasting that paint scheme was? My tank car photos are very limited. 

Brian Carlson 

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