Did anyone notice the SP 214263 box car is still stenciled as "NEW".
/ https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8750/28004957510_666dfbfac9_k.jpg

 

Group,

I'm wondering does anyone make the bold Seaboard decals like in this picture?

http://www.ttnut.com/resources/image/3127

Thanks,

Tim Alund
Villa Park,IL

 

    I'm wondering does anyone make the bold Seaboard decals like in this picture?
    http://www.ttnut.com/resources/image/3127
   Tim Alund


http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=87-1287

That ^ style of lettering was not used before 1961

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2a. Re: using blue flags
Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" timboconnor@... cf5250
Date: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:04 pm ((PDT))


Good point. I also object to any discussions of steel, oil, wood, or paint,
since all of those were first employed prior to 1900.



>Bob Witt
>
>The date of the blue flag rules origins is outside the date limits of this group.

 

Any photos from the ATSF, Q or WP would be appreciated.

Thank you

Steven E. Cerka

 

If you have a Facebook profile you can watch this 9 minute b&w movie
made from a special PRR industry excursion tour of the steel mills and
railroads in the area all around Youngstown Ohio. Lots of interesting
freight cars, steel mills, coke works, bridges, yards, track work, etc.

Almost ALL of it gone now.

One surprise for me - a nearly new B&M triple hopper car at the coke plant! :-)

Tim O'

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B&Oers...

I don't know whether you have to be on Facebook for this to work, but let's try anyway.
Click this link:

  https://www.facebook.com/businessmediaarchives/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

This is the Facebook page of the "Business & Media Archives of the Mahoning Valley" Now scroll down the screen until you see the heading "Posts" and you'll find a circa-1960 video of an industrial tour around Youngstown. The last half is on the "B&O side" of the city.

Enjoy!

Tom Greco
Duncanville, TX
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This is a fascinating video of Youngstown. It brought back many memories of tramping around Youngstown as a teenager in the 1950's. Towards the end of the video, the train is at Haselton in it's move from B&O rails to PRR rails. There is a brief shot of CH tower with a woman standing at the door of the tower. That is Gladys Manning, Her husband was Jay Manning who was the 1st trick Valley Street operator on the Erie. Jay was a 2nd cousin to my ex wife.

In retrospect it must have taken quite a bit of supervisory coordination (and pilot crews on the B&O, P&LE, NYC, & Erie) to make this train move around the Youngstown valley from Girard to Lowellville. It appears as if the train exited PRR rails on the LE&E to the P&LE's Gateway yard. From the P&LE outbound yard it traversed the P&LE to Center Street crossing and from then on NYC rails to the Wilson Avenue NYC depot. From there it traveled on Erie rails to Briar Hill/Girard. At Girard the train used the B&O's Girard cutoff to access the B&O main line at Ohio Jct. (brief shot of OW tower and water tank). The train regained PRR rails at Center Street crossing, thence returning to the PRR depot. The PRR depot was approximately across from the B&O depot, but on the north side of the Mahoning River.

As the train approaches the B&O station, it passes on the WB track a short train with a S-class ALCO yard engine. That train was the "River Run" job and would use that crossover to the EB main and the T&M Commercial Siding switch on the EB track (just east of the station).

Dick Widera
Hudson FL
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On May 1, 2017 at 12:44 PM "'Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (US)' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Oh, and to add to the earlier message, there are a lot of misconceptions about steel coil loading. Steel could be highly protected (as far as early technology was concerned, or all the way to basically unprotected at all. Labor was cheap, and you could hire people cheaply to remove rust and oil (used to protect from rusting).

There were few to no "dedicated" steel coil cars until the mid-fifties, and since most of it moved in box cars, the times you see coil is in loading and unloading. Coil was loaded into box cars by driving a forklift over a loading platform, driving it to the end of the car, and leaving it, eye-first (latitudinally) up to the car end. The coils were then roughly blocked in place to prevent tipping or sideways rolling. This habit was extremely destructive to car sides (and ends). The coils were very large, and rolled or tipped easily. I have photos from 1938 that show destroyed car interiors on the PRR. PRR rebuilt box cars as "dedicated" interior lined cars in 1938. They are the first I can find record of. I have never seen a photo of one of those classes stenciled, but suspect they were in dedicated service. The largest coils in that service look to be about 48" in diameter.

The industry's pleas for cars that could handle even larger coils, specifically the 72" coil, led to the development of the true dedicated "coil car".

That is another story...

Sadly, no one makes an accurate kit or otherwise, of an early coil gon. Not even early coils and racks. I have had to make all mine one way or another.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: [Non-DoD Source] [STMFC] Shipping Steel by rail in 1955



Steven;

Coil up to around 1955 was shipped in either box cars, in the case of cold-rolled finished sheet, or commonly uncovered in gons with 3 or so over each truck, in the case of unfinished hot-rolled sheet. A lot of experiments were conducted from late forties, through mid-fifties, to see if they could come up with the means to top load (as opposed to box car use) either gons or flats, first using things like treated kraft paper or canvas tarpaulins, to cover the new larger, heavier coils. None of that worked very well. Early designs of either floating or fixed racks or skids were pretty primitive and required much disposable blocking and/or untested skid designs. From about 1954 on, the RRs started was design war of competing designs, most using skids and covers, of which there were many patents floated. NKP was a big practitioner of early coil accommodation. Smaller coils were accommodated by re-construction of gons to include raised sides and removable roofs. There are many photo s out there, but they take some time to find.

I am slowly putting together an article or two on this subject, and have been researching it for a while. There is also a bit on this in the PRR gon book.

Let me know if you have further questions. I do have some more photos. BTW, ATSF, CB&Q, WP, and other mid-to-western roads were interested.

Elden Gatwood


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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [STMFC] Shipping Steel by rail in 1955



Good morning group, our group was discussing shipping steel by rail Sunday. We've all see coiled steel in gondolas in the present day and as far back as the 60's. But none of us can remember seeing coiled steel in gondolas around 1955. I've been searching online but with no luck. We are all midwest to western modelers if that makes any difference. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thank you
Steven E. Cerka