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Re: Don't be chicken

frograbbit602
 

Ed Ambroid did have a wood kit ( a box of sticks as the RTR crowd calls them ) for a combination reefer poultry car which in ORER had a class of SPR.   The combination reefer, one side reefer and one side poultry cages, used  to carry cheese and eggs to community or pick-up eggs and poultry for market.  YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car, poultry cages on both sides of the attendant area.  I have built one for a friend.  I have built the Ambroid combination reefer and have it in service on my railroad.  I could post a quick photo on "resinfreightcars" website or send you a photo of it if you are interested.   Otherwise if you google poulty cars you can find images of the built Ambroid.   Finally if there was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.
Lester Breuer

Re: Don't be chicken

Bill Welch
 

I have trying to get Al to come to CCB for years Jeff.

Bill Welch

Re: Don't be chicken

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thanks Don for your thoughts and research.

I checked the 1916 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732.

I checked the 1912 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732, also Live Poultry Transportation 500 (a 36ft car without truss rods), American Poultry Car Co 101 (a 36ft car with truss rods), and a car built by Milwaukee Refrigerator Transit & Car Co.

I checked the 1895 CBD, and it has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 121 (a 33ft 10in car with truss rods) that looks like it might be similar to the type represented in the drawing but not an exact match.

I'm wondering if the drawing might be from a trade periodical of the time, and not from a CBD.

Claus Schlund

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---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this
diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund


My money says it IS out of a CBC based upon the way it is presented. BUT, I have a 1919 CBC and it is not in there so I suspect the 1916 or the 1912 issue. The 1919 issue does offer a photo of Live Poultry Transportation Co. #732 on page #348 but it is constructed differently and appears to be a steel underframe car. The truss rods shown clearly in the drawing are not present in the CBC photo.


Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: Don't be chicken

Ray Breyer
 

We really, REALLY need an upgraded, modern version of these cars. Yes, I know about the brass model, but I'm thinking resin.
Anyone who models urban areas in the 1900-1940 period needs one or two of these cars. Plus, they're just plain cool.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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At 01:23 PM 5/6/2017, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

>I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.


...actually, I think there were at least two:

- Ambroid Series 1 #10 - Speedy Poultry - the half & half style
(chicken & eggs) LPTX 4002
- Ambroid K-13 Palace Poultry Car 'Livesay' - LPTCo 2501


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Re: Don't be chicken

Donald B. Valentine
 




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I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.

 

Or did Mainline and Ambroid both produce poultry car kits?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


    Or the easy way with an Overland Models version in brass .......

if you can find one.


Cordially, Don Valentine

 

Re: Don't be chicken

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this
diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund


    My money says it IS out of a CBC based upon the way it is presented. BUT, I have a 1919 CBC and it is not in there so I suspect the 1916 or the 1912 issue. The 1919 issue does offer a photo of Live Poultry Transportation Co. #732 on page #348 but it is constructed differently and appears to be a steel underframe car. The truss rods shown clearly in the drawing are not present in the CBC photo.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Don't be chicken

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I think Ambroid = Mainline. The difference was in what the box said (and
the instruction sheet, I suppose).



Schuyler



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I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.



Or did Mainline and Ambroid both produce poultry car kits?



Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX









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Didn't Mainline have a wood kit for one of these cars?



Ed Mines

Re: Don't be chicken

Richard Brennan
 

At 01:23 PM 5/6/2017, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.
...actually, I think there were at least two:

- Ambroid Series 1 #10 - Speedy Poultry - the half & half style (chicken & eggs) LPTX 4002
- Ambroid K-13 Palace Poultry Car 'Livesay' - LPTCo 2501


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Don't be chicken

Eric Hansmann
 

I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.

 

Or did Mainline and Ambroid both produce poultry car kits?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


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Didn't Mainline have a wood kit for one of these cars?

 

Ed Mines

 

Re: Don't be chicken

ed_mines
 

Didn't Mainline have a wood kit for one of these cars?


Ed Mines


Re: Don't be chicken

frograbbit602
 

Yes it is the attendant's quarters. A stove, a cot to sleep on and a small sink normally on the left side of photo. Most cars had access to feed boxes or water tanks above on roof or below floor from these quarters. All my research on poultry cars says an attendant required to ride with the car to provide water and feed as poultry required. Not the best job in the world.
Lester Breuer

Re: Freight Car Roofs

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Jeff, Jim, and List Members,

Jim asked: "Can someone explain the white spots on the first car I mentioned above?"

The car appears to be a PRR class X29.

As to the white spots, here is my theory: it is not uncommon for the loading area of an industrial building to have an awning covering the loading platform area - this awning would cover the stretch between the building loading doors and likely end a little way past the freight car door above the freight car roof.

Any crud on the awning would wash down from there onto this section of freight car roof in the case where the car was parked there during a mild rainfall.

Nice photo in any case.

Claus Schlund

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Jim,

First of all, do notice that one can click on the icon of three overlapping boxes in the lower right corner and select “original” size. On my screen that’s a big help.

When I enlarge it, it doesn’t look like bird poop at all. I’m not sure what it is, but it looks pretty easy to duplicate with a few splotches of paint.

Regards,

-Jeff


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Hi,



So I'm sitting here staring - again - at the following image ...



https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-k8WX95c



and (this time) I was focusing (again) on weathering on the car roofs in

the lower left quadrant. And especially on the first car past/above the

one with the farm equipment and the partial roof of the car in the lower

right corner.



Can someone explain the white spots on the first car I mentioned above?

It looks to me like seagull crap. But I'm at a loss to explain -where- the

droppings occurred ... they aren't near enough to the edge to make sense

to me. And there aren't any on the roof walk. And yet they seem to be

"lined up along the edge and pretty much at the same distance from the

edge. How is that possible? (I grew up where seagulls were common

and I've been 'observing' them and their behaviors for a long time.) I

can't even explain them landing on a freight car easily. I guess they

might land on a car spotted on a wharf ... but that far from the edge?



I love the look of the partial car in the bottom right corner. Anyone out

there have methods they think resembles that car's roof? Share? Or

should I just ask this on "Weathering".

- Jim B.



Re: Don't be chicken

Schuyler Larrabee
 

No. 1. Keeping the attendant alive in cold weather

No. 2. Avoiding getting to the destination with frozen birds.



Schuyler



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Why a stove or heater if the attendant is not traveling in the car?



Bill Welch

Re: Don't be chicken

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund

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The Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum website has a very interesting article on the history and use of the Live Poultry Transit Company. This article can be found at www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and http://www.hoosiervalley.org/history/turkeys-and-trains/. Bob Weston

Re: Don't be chicken

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I'll second that opinion!

Schuyler



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For that matter, Ed, when are YOU coming to Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach?
We'd love to have you!



-Jeff





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Ed,



Thanks! Do you have contact info for him? Perhaps it's
time for him to educate a new audience in Cocoa Beach.



Regards,



-Jeff





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On May 5, 2017, at 9:09 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:







Many moons ago, there was a fellow who came to Martin Lofton's California
meetings (e.g. Pleasanton) and gave a clinic on Poultry Cars. Does anybody
remember who that was (or is he an STMFC member)?



Jeff,

The fellow you refer to is Al Hoffman, aka, "The Railroad Poultry Car
Expert." However, Al is not on the STMFC.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins

Re: Freight Car Roofs

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <jimbetz@...> wrote :

Hi,


  So I'm sitting here staring - again - at the following image ...


  https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-k8WX95c


and (this time) I was focusing (again) on weathering on the car roofs in

the lower left quadrant.  And especially on the first car past/above the

one with the farm equipment and the partial roof of the car in the lower

right corner.


  Can someone explain the white spots on the first car I mentioned above?

It looks to me like seagull crap...

=======================


It's either bird droppings, or some sort of powder leaking from a pipe; either way, it only happens in one specific place. Note the other end of the car has the same thing, diagonally opposite, but those blotches are more weathered and spread out further. It would appear the car has made multiple trips to the place where it is picking up this material, turning end-for-end in the process.


Dennis Storzek


Re: Don't be chicken

Dennis Storzek
 




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Doug,

All I can say is, "Yecch!"

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

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Where is Mike Rowe when you need him?

Dennis Storzek

Re: Freight Car Roofs

Fred_Swa@...
 

Signage above a covered loading dock along SP Coast division is my guess.
Fred Swanson

Re: Freight Car Roofs

Jim Betz
 

Resending - forgot to strip off the "notify ..." junk

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Jeff,

Perhaps it sat under some sort of 'roof' that dropped something or
other on it. And then it was changed by time ('weathering the
weathering' ... *G*). I agree that one is pretty easy to do. I sort of
agree that it looks less like bird doo when seen in the larger version
but I still feel that is one fairly good/probable explanation.

The one I'm more interested in being able to do - in scale - is the
partial car in the bottom right corner. That splotchy coloring, to
me at least, is difficult to see how to do ... in HO scale.
- Jim

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Posted by: "Aley, Jeff A"Jeff.A.Aley@... jaley95630
Date: Fri May 5, 2017 10:54 pm ((PDT))

Jim,



First of all, do notice that one can click on the icon of three overlapping boxes in the lower right corner and select “original” size. On my screen that’s a big help.



When I enlarge it, it doesn’t look like bird poop at all. I’m not sure what it is, but it looks pretty easy to duplicate with a few splotches of paint.



Regards,



-Jeff

Re: Don't be chicken

Clark Propst
 

I remember the attendants being in some of Al’s photos. They wore clothes with white pok-a-dots all over them. Do you think the train crew would let them in their caboose?  ;  ))
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa