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Re: Don't be chicken

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this
diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund


    My money says it IS out of a CBC based upon the way it is presented. BUT, I have a 1919 CBC and it is not in there so I suspect the 1916 or the 1912 issue. The 1919 issue does offer a photo of Live Poultry Transportation Co. #732 on page #348 but it is constructed differently and appears to be a steel underframe car. The truss rods shown clearly in the drawing are not present in the CBC photo.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Don't be chicken

Donald B. Valentine
 




---In STMFC@..., <eric@...> wrote :

I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.

 

Or did Mainline and Ambroid both produce poultry car kits?

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


    Or the easy way with an Overland Models version in brass .......

if you can find one.


Cordially, Don Valentine

 

Re: Don't be chicken

Ray Breyer
 

We really, REALLY need an upgraded, modern version of these cars. Yes, I know about the brass model, but I'm thinking resin.
Anyone who models urban areas in the 1900-1940 period needs one or two of these cars. Plus, they're just plain cool.
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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At 01:23 PM 5/6/2017, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

>I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.


...actually, I think there were at least two:

- Ambroid Series 1 #10 - Speedy Poultry - the half & half style
(chicken & eggs) LPTX 4002
- Ambroid K-13 Palace Poultry Car 'Livesay' - LPTCo 2501


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Re: Don't be chicken

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thanks Don for your thoughts and research.

I checked the 1916 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732.

I checked the 1912 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732, also Live Poultry Transportation 500 (a 36ft car without truss rods), American Poultry Car Co 101 (a 36ft car with truss rods), and a car built by Milwaukee Refrigerator Transit & Car Co.

I checked the 1895 CBD, and it has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 121 (a 33ft 10in car with truss rods) that looks like it might be similar to the type represented in the drawing but not an exact match.

I'm wondering if the drawing might be from a trade periodical of the time, and not from a CBD.

Claus Schlund

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---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :

Hi Bob and List Members,

Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.

http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg

Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this
diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?

Claus Schlund


My money says it IS out of a CBC based upon the way it is presented. BUT, I have a 1919 CBC and it is not in there so I suspect the 1916 or the 1912 issue. The 1919 issue does offer a photo of Live Poultry Transportation Co. #732 on page #348 but it is constructed differently and appears to be a steel underframe car. The truss rods shown clearly in the drawing are not present in the CBC photo.


Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: Don't be chicken

Bill Welch
 

I have trying to get Al to come to CCB for years Jeff.

Bill Welch

Re: Don't be chicken

frograbbit602
 

Ed Ambroid did have a wood kit ( a box of sticks as the RTR crowd calls them ) for a combination reefer poultry car which in ORER had a class of SPR.   The combination reefer, one side reefer and one side poultry cages, used  to carry cheese and eggs to community or pick-up eggs and poultry for market.  YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car, poultry cages on both sides of the attendant area.  I have built one for a friend.  I have built the Ambroid combination reefer and have it in service on my railroad.  I could post a quick photo on "resinfreightcars" website or send you a photo of it if you are interested.   Otherwise if you google poulty cars you can find images of the built Ambroid.   Finally if there was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.
Lester Breuer

Re: Don't be chicken

Eric Hansmann
 

There is a great broadside of PPKX 5064 on page 59 of the new Focus on Freight Cars Volume 10. The photo is not dated and I don’t see a clear reweigh date, but the car was built in 1924.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 


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We really, REALLY need an upgraded, modern version of these cars. Yes, I know about the brass model, but I'm thinking resin.

Anyone who models urban areas in the 1900-1940 period needs one or two of these cars. Plus, they're just plain cool.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 


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At 01:23 PM 5/6/2017, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:


>I had thought Ambroid had a poultry car kit.



...actually, I think there were at least two:

- Ambroid Series 1 #10 - Speedy Poultry - the half & half style
(chicken & eggs) LPTX 4002
- Ambroid K-13 Palace Poultry Car 'Livesay' - LPTCo 2501


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Don't be chicken

Tony Thompson
 

Lester Breuer wrote:

 

YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car . . . Finally if there was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.


 Didn't The Huff buy the whole line of Mainline kits?
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Re: Don't be chicken

Eric Hansmann
 

FYI, business is temporarily closed. 



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On May 6, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Lester Breuer wrote:

 

YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car . . . Finally if there was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.


 Didn't The Huff buy the whole line of Mainline kits?
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Re: Resin Car Works

George Corral
 

Is anyone else experiencing trouble connecting to Resin Car Works website?  I’ve tried three different web browsers for the last three weeks with no joy.

 

George Corral

La Grange, KY

“The Train Runs Through It”

Re: Resin Car Works

Eric Hansmann
 

George,

It just worked for me on my phone and I had not used my phone to check the site in awhile. 

Try clearing your history, cookies, and cache on a browser and try again. 



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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Is anyone else experiencing trouble connecting to Resin Car Works website?  I’ve tried three different web browsers for the last three weeks with no joy.

 

George Corral

La Grange, KY

“The Train Runs Through It”

Re: Resin Car Works

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Never had a problem with Resin Car Works website.

Dale Florence



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Is anyone else experiencing trouble connecting to Resin Car Works website?  I’ve tried three different web browsers for the last three weeks with no joy.
 
George Corral
La Grange, KY
“The Train Runs Through It”




Re: Don't be chicken

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Lester Breuer wrote:


YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car . . . Finally if there
was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.


Didn't The Huff buy the whole line of Mainline kits?

Tony



Tony's correct on this.


Schuyler

Re: Don't be chicken

Richard Townsend
 

Many years ago MR had plans for a poultry car. I'm thinking it was in the 1960s, maybe 1950s. have spent the last couple of hours looking for my copy of it, to no avail.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, May 6, 2017 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Don't be chicken

 
Thanks Don for your thoughts and research.

I checked the 1916 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732.

I checked the 1912 CBD, and it also has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 732, also Live Poultry Transportation 500
(a 36ft car without truss rods), American Poultry Car Co 101 (a 36ft car with truss rods), and a car built by Milwaukee Refrigerator
Transit & Car Co.

I checked the 1895 CBD, and it has a builder's image of Live Poultry Transportation 121 (a 33ft 10in car with truss rods) that looks
like it might be similar to the type represented in the drawing but not an exact match.

I'm wondering if the drawing might be from a trade periodical of the time, and not from a CBD.

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "riverman_vt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Don't be chicken

>
>
>
> ---In STMFC@..., wrote :
>
> Hi Bob and List Members,
>
> Especially interesting to me is that one of the images is a drawing for a poultry car - see link below.
>
> http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg
> http://www.hoosiervalley.org/files/cache/3ac3e1f10e6da0f65bca601aea5f5d93_f448.jpg
>
> Unfortunately, the resolution is not sufficient to read any of the text. Anyone know where the image might have come from? Is this
> diagram from a CBD or TSC that anyone recognizes right off?
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
> My money says it IS out of a CBC based upon the way it is presented. BUT, I have a 1919 CBC and it is not in there so I
> suspect the 1916 or the 1912 issue. The 1919 issue does offer a photo of Live Poultry Transportation Co. #732 on page #348 but it
> is constructed differently and appears to be a steel underframe car. The truss rods shown clearly in the drawing are not present
> in the CBC photo.
>
>
> Cordially, Don Valentine
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Don't be chicken (Drawing in MODEL RAILROADER)

Bob Chaparro
 

It was July 1961, Page 26.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Don't be chicken

James SANDIFER
 

Overland also made a brass model in HO. Having seen the real thing in St. Louis and having studied a lot of photos, the models don’t do them justice. It is very difficult to model all of the internal racks that support the individual cages of birds.

 

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Ed Ambroid did have a wood kit ( a box of sticks as the RTR crowd calls them ) for a combination reefer poultry car which in ORER had a class of SPR.   The combination reefer, one side reefer and one side poultry cages, used  to carry cheese and eggs to community or pick-up eggs and poultry for market.  YE Old Huff and Puff had a wood kit for a poultry car, poultry cages on both sides of the attendant area.  I have built one for a friend.  I have built the Ambroid combination reefer and have it in service on my railroad.  I could post a quick photo on "resinfreightcars" website or send you a photo of it if you are interested.   Otherwise if you google poulty cars you can find images of the built Ambroid.   Finally if there was a Mainline kit I have never seen one.

Lester Breuer

 

Re: Don't be chicken (Drawing in MODEL RAILROADER)

Richard Townsend
 

Yes! I had just found it. The plans are for Live Poultry Transportation Co. No. 507, named Chanticleer. The car was 34'8" long.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

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It was July 1961, Page 26.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Freight Car Roofs!)

Bruce Smith
 

​Jim,


Let's talk about that care to the right... I love it too.  I've been reading a lot of military modeling magazines lately, focused on their weathering techniques... very educational.


So let's decide first what we are looking at.  The first thing that jumped out at me was the unpainted galvanized roof walk, with one rusty section at the far end.  Whether this is due to a failure of the galvanization of the end section or replacement of the closer section isn't really relevant, but the effect is near and evocative of the effect of putting new unpainted board on a wood roof walk board (which BTW, is well supported by roof walks on other cars in this photo!). The effect could be created by masking the roof walk and then using a (new) rust colored wash on  the exposed section.


Moving on to the roof itself, from my perspective, the discoloration on the roof could be paint failure and rust (old rust) or it could be soot staining.  Soot staining would be easier to mimic.  Once could use grimy black chalks applied semi-randomly to the roof, pulling from the center to the edge.  Note that the crud appears particularly dark under the roof walk, so it might be appropriate to remove the roof walk before weathering.  There are some other colors mixed in so additional chalk could be applied to vary the color.  Alternatively, paint washes could be used to do this, but I like chalk.


As an alternative, and a lot more work, one can actually model the failing paint.  It is hard to tell if the rood is galvanized or plain steel.  I would start by painting the roof with a coat of "steel"(the model master color cited in a different thread as a good galvanized color might be perfect!)  Once dry, spray with cheap hairspray (or expensive Vallejo or some other manufacturer "paint chipping fluid".  Then spray with burnt umber (old rust).  Under running warm water, use a stiff brush to remove some of the burnt umber.  Then spray with a clear coat. Then spray with hairspray, then spray with the car color (perhaps a faded version) and then remove more paint... this will give you the layered effect you see.  You can also use salt weathering to mimic some of the chips like the one on the end panel.  To do that, when still wet with hairspray or water after the burn number coat, and sprinkle a FEW large salt grains, let them dry one and then paint with the top color. When the top color is dry, scrub off the paint which leaves ragged spots of the underlying color.


Regards

Bruce Smith​

Auburn, AL



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Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Roofs
 


Hi,


  So I'm sitting here staring - again - at the following image ...


  https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-k8WX95c

 I love the look of the partial car in the bottom right corner.  Anyone out 

there have methods they think resembles that car's roof?  Share?  Or

should I just ask this on "Weathering".

                                                                                         - Jim B.

IMRC HO PFE R-40-23 double B&W herald scheme

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I am offering two mint/new Intermountain HO RTR models of Pacific Fruit Express R-40-23 steel ice bunker refrigerator cars. With a repaint date of "LA 8-52". In the double UP/SP B&W herald scheme.
IMRC #45532-20 PFE 46974
IMRC #45532-21 PFE 47217
Currently unavailable at Intermountain, pictured on Intermountain's web site. MSRP of $33.

Offered for $25 each, plus shipping of $3.85/each. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee, I also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (Please!) at .
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-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: Freight Car Roofs!)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bruce, I’ve been thinking along the same lines. I have (I thought) just finished weathering a Tangent gon . . . but looking at those two gons five tracks over says to me “Nope, not done yet.” I’ve weathered that gray floor the car came with to something that looks pretty used, but the interior of the sides cannot now be left black like they are right now.



BTW, the other thing about the car you’re looking at, the dark reddish black on the top of the car side . . .



Schuyler



​Jim,

Let's talk about that care to the right... I love it too. I've been reading a lot of military modeling magazines lately, focused on their weathering techniques... very educational.

So let's decide first what we are looking at. The first thing that jumped out at me was the unpainted galvanized roof walk, with one rusty section at the far end. Whether this is due to a failure of the galvanization of the end section or replacement of the closer section isn't really relevant, but the effect is near and evocative of the effect of putting new unpainted board on a wood roof walk board (which BTW, is well supported by roof walks on other cars in this photo!). The effect could be created by masking the roof walk and then using a (new) rust colored wash on the exposed section.

Moving on to the roof itself, from my perspective, the discoloration on the roof could be paint failure and rust (old rust) or it could be soot staining. Soot staining would be easier to mimic. Once could use grimy black chalks applied semi-randomly to the roof, pulling from the center to the edge. Note that the crud appears particularly dark under the roof walk, so it might be appropriate to remove the roof walk before weathering. There are some other colors mixed in so additional chalk could be applied to vary the color. Alternatively, paint washes could be used to do this, but I like chalk.

As an alternative, and a lot more work, one can actually model the failing paint. It is hard to tell if the rood is galvanized or plain steel. I would start by painting the roof with a coat of "steel"(the model master color cited in a different thread as a good galvanized color might be perfect!) Once dry, spray with cheap hairspray (or expensive Vallejo or some other manufacturer "paint chipping fluid". Then spray with burnt umber (old rust). Under running warm water, use a stiff brush to remove some of the burnt umber. Then spray with a clear coat. Then spray with hairspray, then spray with the car color (perhaps a faded version) and then remove more paint... this will give you the layered effect you see. You can also use salt weathering to mimic some of the chips like the one on the end panel. To do that, when still wet with hairspray or water after the burn number coat, and sprinkle a FEW large salt grains, let them dry one and then paint with the top color. When the top color is dry, scrub off the paint which leaves ragged spots of the underlying color.

Regards

Bruce Smith​

Auburn, AL



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Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 11:43 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Roofs





Hi,



So I'm sitting here staring - again - at the following image ...



https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Roger-Kingsford-Photos/i-k8WX95c

<snip>

I love the look of the partial car in the bottom right corner. Anyone out

there have methods they think resembles that car's roof? Share? Or

should I just ask this on "Weathering".

- Jim B.