Railway Prototype Cyclopedia photo index
Steve SANDIFER
Has anyone done a photo index of the RPC that you are willing to share?
Steve Sandifer
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Re: Old Athearn Dome Height
Ken Soroos
Garth and List -
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Globe also produced a three-dome version. On the box label, the kit here is described as “8000 GAL. TANK CAR / UTLX / 8300-A (Three Dome) Price _____ / IT’S THE BEST IN HO GAUGE.” The car no. is 1252. Domes are small. The 1953 Model Railroad Equipment Corp. catalog lists five three-dome tank cars: Athearn Deep Rock, Shippers Car Line, and UTLX, all $2.75 as well as Globe Shippers Car Line and UTLX, also all $2.75. All five cars were black. Ken Soroos
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Re: Stripping an Accurail boxcar
Joseph
Dave. Need to work on beam out tech otherwise shipping would be a killer! Good luck, joe binish
On May 10, 2017, at 9:03 AM, 'David North' david.north@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Stripping an Accurail boxcar
David North
Thanks to everyone who reply with advice on stripping Accurail cars. Joe, thanks for the offer – it would get a bit pricey as I’m in Australia and my mate Phil is in the Phillippines (grin). Cheers Dave North
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Re: Don't be chicken
James McDonald
Dear List,
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John White published an interesting article in the Summer 1989 issue of Agricultural History on live poultry cars that discusses a number of the questions that have been discussed in this thread. If you have access to JSTOR (I believe you can register for free) you can find it here: http://www.jstor.org/stable/3743735 Among a great many other things that make the article worth reading, White noted that access to the cars was through the side doors into the attendant’s room, and from there to the cage areas. Also, it seems that there was only one car design that featured removable coops, but this didn’t catch on. The majority of live poultry cars per the article were outfitted with large cages that were subdivided into adjustable compartments that could be reconfigured for the size and type of fowl shipped. White primarily focused on the Jenkins/Live Poultry Transport Co. cars, but he does mention competing designs and companies. All the best, James =-=-= James McDonald Greenbelt, MD
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Re: Old Athearn Dome Height
Tony Thompson
Athearn certainly continued the 12.5-k gallon metal tank models, and I have one in the original yellow kit box. Tony Thompson
On May 10, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions
Eric Hansmann
FYI, there is a link to a cumulative index on their main web page. Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
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(No subject)
Staffan Ehnbom
Richard, Would you have any indication that these might be former GN (ore) cars bought by the C&S for use on line? There was an article inthe March/April 1981 Gazette on GN ore cars sold to several lines. Or would they be GN revenue service cars bringing ore from GN territory? In the latter case these are the GN cars that could dump a load: Aside from the steel ore cars mentioned there were still wood ore cars and the 180000 series wood 36' drop bottom coal & ore cars built 1900, the 72000 series looking like gons but with longitudinal bay hoppers (too large cars for iron ore?) and several series of 40' GS (perhaps less likely for ore sevice?), 73000 and 73200 series twin hoppers or 78000 series Hart convertible (ballast) cars. Some of the ubiquitous 40' truss rod box cars had hopper bottoms, but calling them "dump cars" might be pushing it a bit. Staffan Ehnbom
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Old Athearn Dome Height
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Jon, The Globe short 8K tanks were made in single
and twin dome versions (I have one of each). The domes on these
cars were very small, though acceptable for the twin dome. The
same dome casting was used with the single dome version, and it
was way too small. Otherwise, these cars are pretty close to
scale. The longer 12 or 12.5K tank under discussion was originally offered by Globe, and possibly continued by Athearn. This car was very close to scale. I believe I have seen a three-dome long car, which had a 12 K tank. As such, it would have been grossly oversized with oversized domes (most triple dome cars were in the 6K range). I don't know if Globe offered a jacketed
"chemical" tank in either length. As most of us are aware, the 12 K tanks were retooled in plastic by Athearn. While the single-dome car can be improved, the three-dome is a piece of doo-doo. Sad that Athearn didn't retool the smaller tank cars in plastic, but now we have a number of excellent choices to fill that niche (though not all types in styrene yet). I also have most of an unbuilt Mantua 10K tank
kit. It is missing the paper wrapper and some of the other small
parts. Someday I'm going to put this together, probably with a
smooth wrapper for a jacketed tank. Without milling machinery,
fitting Kadee couplers to the underframe is nearly impossible. I
may substitute a shortened Athearn plastic underframe. I still
keep my eyes open for Thomas tanks, but they are even rarer than
the Globe models. The Globe/Athearn boxcars and reefers were
later sold by Menzies and Reynolds. I think the tooling ended up
with Bowser/English. AFAIK, nobody ever continued the 40 and
50-foot Globe flatcars, though the 40' was the same design as
the later odd Athearn plastic car. Due to the number of stake
pockets, the 40' car only represents a group of about 100
obscure Rutland flats. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/9/17 6:48 PM, Jon Miller
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Re: Old Athearn Dome Height
Tony Thompson
No. The Athearn metal dome is full (correct) height. I have several. Tony Thompson
On May 9, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Real wood roof walks
Guys,
Watch this space in about 2 to 3 weeks time. I'm working with a supplier to get some wood strips in 1"x6"x16 foot lengths that I intend to work thru how to 'pre-color' them before assembly and installation, how to install them, and methods for post installation changes such as "final weathering". My basic idea will be to start with several piles of boards that are different shades of color ... build up a roof walk (hopefully with the laterals attached) on the bench, and then finally to install them on the car. I may even provide 'kits' of boards to be used (I'm ordering a LOT of them). I work in HO ... sorry to the guys who are in alternative scales. I'm not opposed to doing roof walks with materials other than real wood. But my experience is that the effects I'm going for (remember the pic I provided a link to) are difficult at best and possibly even nearly impossible to do if you are starting with a built up roof walk. By "my experience" above I'm referring to the work I've done to do the boards on a flat car - both in styrene and in scale wood ... and those done in wood look a lot better than anything I've been able to accomplish with "paint on styrene". - Jim B.
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions
Schuyler Larrabee
Double sheathed in Vol. 16, rebuilds in Vol. 24.
Single sheathed in Vol. 17, including steel rebuilds. There may be more. Schuyler From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:19 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions I an wondering if the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia had articles on the USRA box car rebuilds, and on the SS USRA box cars? Jared Harper Athens, GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions
Scott H. Haycock
Jared, The SS cars and steel rebuilds are in RPC 17. The DS cars are in vol. 16, and their rebuilds are covered in vol. 24. Scott Haycock I an wondering if the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia had articles on the USRA box car rebuilds, and on the SS USRA box cars? Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: GN dump cars in 1936
Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi Carl,
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I will take a look at the code tomorrow. Claus
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From: "'Jack Burgess' jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 Richard… Those cars are available as resin kits from Westerfield. The YV had 51 of them. There is a prototype and model photo on my website at http://www.yosemitevalleyrr.com/modeling/available-yv-models and just over halfway down. Jack From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:53 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 By GN ore cars I assume you are referring to the shorty steel ore cars like those once modeled by Varney, MDC, and Walthers (essentially single-bay hoppers). Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR -----Original Message----- From: Gary vasa0vasa@earthlink.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 If they are hauling iron ore, my money is that they are GN ore cars. Otherwise the ore would have to be emptied from the ore car to another type of car not designed for heavy iron ore. Gary Laakso south of Mike Brock On May 9, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@netscape.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I forgot to put a subject on my original post. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR -----Original Message----- From: Richard Townsend richtownsend@netscape.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 9:29 am Subject: [STMFC] I have at hand a selection of "bulletins" from the Colorado & Southern from the 1930s through the 1950s. They generally are one or two sentences and refer to things like a new siding being in place, specific operating instructions, and the like. One I am interested in following up on is from November 11, 1936, and says, "Trains handling Great Northern dump cars loaded with iron ore must not exceed a speed of 35 miles per hour." My question is, what would a "Great Northern dump car" have been in 1936? Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR ------------------------------------ Posted by: "Jack Burgess" <jack@yosemitevalleyrr.com> ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ Yahoo Groups Links
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Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions
Jared Harper
I an wondering if the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia had articles on the USRA box car rebuilds, and on the SS USRA box cars? Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: GN dump cars in 1936
Richard Townsend
Thanks, Gary.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 5:11 pm Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 Yes, those are the cars and they were bottom dump cars for use on the ore docks.
Gary Laakso
South of Mike Brock
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Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:53 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 By GN ore cars I assume you are referring to the shorty steel ore cars like those once modeled by Varney, MDC, and Walthers (essentially single-bay hoppers).
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
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From: Gary vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 If they are hauling iron ore, my money is that they are GN ore cars. Otherwise the ore would have to be emptied from the ore car to another type of car not designed for heavy iron ore.
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock
On May 9, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: GN dump cars in 1936
Jack Burgess
Richard…
Those cars are available as resin kits from Westerfield. The YV had 51 of them. There is a prototype and model photo on my website at http://www.yosemitevalleyrr.com/modeling/available-yv-models and just over halfway down. Jack From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:53 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 By GN ore cars I assume you are referring to the shorty steel ore cars like those once modeled by Varney, MDC, and Walthers (essentially single-bay hoppers). Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR -----Original Message----- From: Gary vasa0vasa@earthlink.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 If they are hauling iron ore, my money is that they are GN ore cars. Otherwise the ore would have to be emptied from the ore car to another type of car not designed for heavy iron ore. Gary Laakso south of Mike Brock On May 9, 2017, at 6:03 PM, Richard Townsend richtownsend@netscape.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I forgot to put a subject on my original post. Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR -----Original Message----- From: Richard Townsend richtownsend@netscape.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 9:29 am Subject: [STMFC] I have at hand a selection of "bulletins" from the Colorado & Southern from the 1930s through the 1950s. They generally are one or two sentences and refer to things like a new siding being in place, specific operating instructions, and the like. One I am interested in following up on is from November 11, 1936, and says, "Trains handling Great Northern dump cars loaded with iron ore must not exceed a speed of 35 miles per hour." My question is, what would a "Great Northern dump car" have been in 1936? Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: GN dump cars in 1936
gary laakso
Yes, those are the cars and they were bottom dump cars for use on the ore docks.
Gary Laakso South of Mike Brock
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Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:53 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936
By GN ore cars I assume you are referring to the shorty steel ore cars like those once modeled by Varney, MDC, and Walthers (essentially single-bay hoppers).
Richard Townsend Lincoln City, OR
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If they are hauling iron ore, my money is that they are GN ore cars. Otherwise the ore would have to be emptied from the ore car to another type of car not designed for heavy iron ore.
Gary Laakso south of Mike Brock
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Re: GN dump cars in 1936
Richard Townsend
By GN ore cars I assume you are referring to the shorty steel ore cars like those once modeled by Varney, MDC, and Walthers (essentially single-bay hoppers).
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
-----Original Message----- From: Gary vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Tue, May 9, 2017 3:27 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN dump cars in 1936 If they are hauling iron ore, my money is that they are GN ore cars. Otherwise the ore would have to be emptied from the ore car to another type of car not designed for heavy iron ore.
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Re: Old Athearn Dome Height
Jon Miller
On 5/9/2017 1:53 PM, Garth Groff
sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:
It is my understanding that Athearn bought out Globe in the early 1950s.True. The steel boxcars and reefers were continued for a while, and eventually sold off to other producers.Menzies, or something like that. It is possible that Athearn didn't continue the Globe tank cars.It's my understanding that the Globe tank cars were close to scale and 2 or 3 different types (someone mentioned a 2 dome). Very hard to find now.
-- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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