On May 10, 2017, at 5:01 AM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Jon,

The Globe short 8K tanks were made in single and twin dome versions (I have one of each). The domes on these cars were very small, though acceptable for the twin dome. The same dome casting was used with the single dome version, and it was way too small. Otherwise, these cars are pretty close to scale.

The longer 12 or 12.5K tank under discussion was originally offered by Globe, and possibly continued by Athearn. This car was very close to scale. I believe I have seen a three-dome long car, which had a 12 K tank. As such, it would have been grossly oversized with oversized domes (most triple dome cars were in the 6K range).

I don't know if Globe offered a jacketed "chemical" tank in either length.

As most of us are aware, the 12 K tanks were retooled in plastic by Athearn. While the single-dome car can be improved, the three-dome is a piece of doo-doo. Sad that Athearn didn't retool the smaller tank cars in plastic, but now we have a number of excellent choices to fill that niche (though not all types in styrene yet).

I also have most of an unbuilt Mantua 10K tank kit. It is missing the paper wrapper and some of the other small parts. Someday I'm going to put this together, probably with a smooth wrapper for a jacketed tank. Without milling machinery, fitting Kadee couplers to the underframe is nearly impossible. I may substitute a shortened Athearn plastic underframe. I still keep my eyes open for Thomas tanks, but they are even rarer than the Globe models.

The Globe/Athearn boxcars and reefers were later sold by Menzies and Reynolds. I think the tooling ended up with Bowser/English. AFAIK, nobody ever continued the 40 and 50-foot Globe flatcars, though the 40' was the same design as the later odd Athearn plastic car. Due to the number of stake pockets, the 40' car only represents a group of about 100 obscure Rutland flats.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

Thanks to everyone who reply with advice on stripping Accurail cars.

Joe, thanks for the offer – it would get a bit pricey as I’m in Australia and my mate Phil is in the Phillippines (grin).

Cheers

Dave North

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2.1. Re: Don't be chicken
Posted by: "george eichelberger" geichelberger@bellsouth.net geichelberger@bellsouth.net
Date: Tue May 9, 2017 2:24 pm ((PDT))

Dennis:

Nothing inside the Southern cars at all.

Re the SNB article, in a railroad owned style of car style if there were 60,000 “head” in fifteen cars, we have approx 4,000 birds per car. If they made it to NYC in 24 (less?) hours, would that meet the “hog law” for chickens and not require an attendant? Did that rule even exist in 1919.

Ike

PS I am having a hard time believing 6,600,000 eggs! Carried in ? vent box cars?

 

Jon,

The Globe short 8K tanks were made in single and twin dome versions (I have one of each). The domes on these cars were very small, though acceptable for the twin dome. The same dome casting was used with the single dome version, and it was way too small. Otherwise, these cars are pretty close to scale.

The longer 12 or 12.5K tank under discussion was originally offered by Globe, and possibly continued by Athearn. This car was very close to scale. I believe I have seen a three-dome long car, which had a 12 K tank. As such, it would have been grossly oversized with oversized domes (most triple dome cars were in the 6K range).

I don't know if Globe offered a jacketed "chemical" tank in either length.

As most of us are aware, the 12 K tanks were retooled in plastic by Athearn. While the single-dome car can be improved, the three-dome is a piece of doo-doo. Sad that Athearn didn't retool the smaller tank cars in plastic, but now we have a number of excellent choices to fill that niche (though not all types in styrene yet).

I also have most of an unbuilt Mantua 10K tank kit. It is missing the paper wrapper and some of the other small parts. Someday I'm going to put this together, probably with a smooth wrapper for a jacketed tank. Without milling machinery, fitting Kadee couplers to the underframe is nearly impossible. I may substitute a shortened Athearn plastic underframe. I still keep my eyes open for Thomas tanks, but they are even rarer than the Globe models.

The Globe/Athearn boxcars and reefers were later sold by Menzies and Reynolds. I think the tooling ended up with Bowser/English. AFAIK, nobody ever continued the 40 and 50-foot Globe flatcars, though the 40' was the same design as the later odd Athearn plastic car. Due to the number of stake pockets, the 40' car only represents a group of about 100 obscure Rutland flats.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff

On 5/9/17 6:48 PM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

On 5/9/2017 1:53 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:

It is my understanding that Athearn bought out Globe in the early 1950s.

    True.

The steel boxcars and reefers were continued for a while, and eventually sold off to other producers.

    Menzies, or something like that.

It is possible that Athearn didn't continue the Globe tank cars.

    It's my understanding that the Globe tank cars were close to scale and 2 or 3 different types (someone mentioned a 2 dome).  Very hard to find now.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

On May 9, 2017 at 8:58 PM "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Double sheathed in Vol. 16, rebuilds in Vol. 24.

Single sheathed in Vol. 17, including steel rebuilds.

There may be more.

Schuyler

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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia questions

I an wondering if the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia had articles on the USRA box car rebuilds, and on the SS USRA box cars?

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

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On 5/9/2017 1:53 PM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:

It is my understanding that Athearn bought out Globe in the early 1950s.

    True.

The steel boxcars and reefers were continued for a while, and eventually sold off to other producers.

    Menzies, or something like that.

It is possible that Athearn didn't continue the Globe tank cars.

    It's my understanding that the Globe tank cars were close to scale and 2 or 3 different types (someone mentioned a 2 dome).  Very hard to find now.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

 

On 5/9/2017 11:06 AM, mguill1224@... [STMFC] wrote:

old Globe and Athearn metal tank cars

    This is old memory as I don't have my old metal Athearn handy but I think the Globe and Athearn were different cars.  Never had a Globe.  I seem to remember that at least the dome on the metal Athearn was the same as the plastic one.

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS