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Re: SFRD reefer classes
Robert J Miller CFA
Clark. From the Santa Fe Modeler's Listing of Freight Cars by Class and Car Number there were in 1953 the following number of cars in the respective number series. RR-27 # 4200-4248. 48 cars RR-27 # 18000-18499 0 cars, but there are cars in this series in 1956 RR-27 # 34500-34950 441 cars
On May 22, 2017, at 8:47 PM, tyesac@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?
Bill,
When in doubt I refer to the gospels according to Thompson, Church and Jones (aka, the PFE "bible"). As I read them, technically, neither silver nor orange are correct for the feather. The book states that the herald was always white on black. Additionally,
I have only identified cars that match that description in every online photo I can find. For example: http://lariverrailroads.com/reefer/pfe55589.jpg
I'd go with the one you think as "silver" as the most correct. Of course that doesn't make the other car wrong, since RC had a fondness for experimental paint schemes. However, given the paucity of the WP cars within the PFE fleet and the fact that they
were freely distributed within that fleet, modeling the oddity is probably not the best approach.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of bill_stanton60@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 2:23 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)? I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.
Can anyone explain which is correct?
(I'm modeling 1947-48)
thanks
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Re: SFRD reefer classes
tyesac@...
-----Original Message----- From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC] To: STMFC Sent: Mon, May 22, 2017 4:43 pm Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM
SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box
was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa
Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say
to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The
Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the
hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent
a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and
could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark
Propst
Mason City Iowa
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Re: Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?
Colin,
Interesting photo. That reweigh certainly could be 12-19, which would make some sense as some longitudinally riveted cars with safeties mounted on the top of the dome were starting to make an appearance. This is a pre-Type 21 given that the 21 stands for 1921, the year of its design ;) but it certainly resembles a Type 21. Issues that you might need to address on the tank if you used a LifeLike 10K tank would be that the dome appears narrower and taller than the Type 21. In addition, the dome is topped with a screw in access, as opposed to a safety hatch. The car clearly has arch-bar trucks and appears to have split K (KD) brakes. As for the frame, sure you can do it, but why bother when you have the Tichy frame that will serve? Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL ________________________________________ From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of kemal_mumcu@yahoo.ca [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:03 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11? Hi folks, I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11? Colin
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Re: SFRD reefer classes
Todd Sullivan
Hi Clark,
According to the ATSF reefer book, USRA rebuild classes Rr-19 through Rr-27 (the Long's and Intermountain models) were all built in 1936 through early 1940 with wooden running boards and hatch platforms with the hatch hinges toward the end of the car. Beginning with class Rr-28 (1940), the rebuilds received abbreviated wooden hatch platforms, and steel running boards and platforms were introduced after WWII. Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Cars 33", published in the August 2006 RMC, is a great article that shows several classes from the Long's and Intermountain models with the appropriate details. He included a Sunshine kit of the Rr-34 through Rr-43 classes, all of which look pretty much the same and had the steel running boards and platforms. I think one could build a nearly correct model of these cars from the Intermountain kit using some different parts (ends, fan control boxes, etc.). The classes and built dates (from the ATSF reefer book): Rr-19 31254-31655 1936-1937 Rr-23 31656-33155 1937-1938 Rr-25 33156-33655 1939 Rr-27 34500-34950 1939-1940 Rr-27 4200-4248 1940 (cars w/ fans) Rr-28 35000-35499 1940 Rr-32 35500-35999 1940-1941 Rr-33 36301-36650 1941 Rr-33 4251-4400 1941 (cars w/ fans) Rr-34 14280-15399 1941-1942 Rr-34 4401-4750 1941 (cars w/ fans) Rr-35 7029-7358 1944-1945 (cars w/ fans, US Gypsum running boards, 7" eaves) Todd Sullivan
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Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?
Kemal Mumcu
Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11? Colin
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Re: HO Freight Cars for Sale
Jared Harper
Steve,
Please send the list. Jared Harper ---In STMFC@..., <shile@...> wrote : I have a small group
of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for sale. I will send you a
list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.
Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition to the prices shown.
Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month. Sorry for duplicate
postings. Steve
Hile
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Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bill, There are two color photos of these cars in
Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER
EQUIPMENT. A car preserved at the Feather River Railroad Museum
shows the herald as black and what was probably white details.
Actually, the light colored parts are yellow-orange, as most of
the white has weathered away. This car was last reconditioned in
1943. The second is an in-service shot of a reconditioned car
from the 1950s. The herald is clearly black and white. It is possible that the herald originally had a red-orange feather when the cars were new, but this probably didn't last. Certainly by the first rebuilding around 1938-1943, the herald was black and white. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/22/17 3:23 PM,
bill_stanton60@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Re: SFRD reefer classes
Robert J Miller CFA
Clark. I'll take a gander at my copy of SFRH&MS Ice Reefer book and try to reply to your question off list. Robert J. Miller CFA Saginaw, MI Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time. Gerald R. Ford
From: "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" To: STMFC Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:43 PM Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM
SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box
was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa
Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say
to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The
Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the
hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent
a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and
could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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SFRD reefer classes
Clark Propst
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM
SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box
was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa
Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say
to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The
Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the
hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent
a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and
could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?
bill stanton
I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver. Can anyone explain which is correct? (I'm modeling 1947-48) thanks
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars (PFE Egg Loads)
thecitrusbelt@...
Below are the PFE reefers with egg loads as reported on Terry Link's Canada Southern Railway website.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA ++++ ---In STMFC@..., <sarahsan@...> wrote : Bill and Friends, Enough cracking egg jokes. PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s. Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC. I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 5/22/2017 6:25 AM, 'Douglas
Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
It is possible dressed eggs means hard boiled eggs that have had the shell removed and were packed for shipment. Up until the 60s eggs were coated in "water
glass". I'm not sure how often and how much this was done but I
do know it was done. It's possible this is what the term meant. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Kenneth Montero
Dear Bruce,
Again, thank you. I can narrow my search. I have always appreciated your willingness to share your knowledge with like-minded folks. I have learned a lot through this site. Sincerely, Ken Montero
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
While google will tell you that dressed eggs means deviled eggs, I suspect the term “dressed eggs” back in the steam era may refer to eggs that had been cleaned and candled (another term long gone from our lexicon). I can recall grandma cleaning eggs after collecting them, before she went to town to sell them. Candling eggs was the process of holding the egg up in front of a candle or light to see if an embryo was developing. This was a job in every local business that purchased eggs from local farmers. Just about every town in rural America had a place that purchased eggs. During the billboard reefer period many of these businesses leased reefers painted in very colorful paint schemes. Many were local creameries or poultry places. Eggs were a large part of their business. It is only since the steam era ended that the large mega-farm egg producers have dominated the egg industry.
It is possible dressed eggs means hard boiled eggs that have had the shell removed and were packed for shipment.
Eggs were a common load. I have samples of “ Caution Contains Eggs” placards from several railroads.
Doug Harding
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:20 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Bill and Friends, Enough cracking egg jokes. PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s. Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC. I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
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Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks
Railworks sold the trucks separately as well. They aren’t in business and their successor Crown Custom has sold out most inventory, but it might be useful to look either with Crown Custom or in the secondary market.
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Regards Bruce
Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] PRR X31f "Turtle Roof" Box Cars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Bob;
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I haven't found the full correspondence yet (still looking), but they were early WW2 (1939+) conversions of existing (as one example 1934-built) X31 DD cars, for Jeep transport. After the war most racks were removed, and they were used for just about anything. Keep in mind, they were conversions, so model from pics. There were variations in brake arrangement, based on the original car. For instance, car number 81840 had the original transversely-mounted air reservoir, which appeared prominently on the left side of the car right under the left door, with its mounting visible right under the left side sill just behind the left-most door roller. 81201 had an early Equipco hand brake. They all had auto rack brackets above the top rib on each end. Because the r/b was relocated upward, they had especially long r/b supports at each end. They were originally stenciled "AUTOMOBILES" to the right of the doors centered on the second down ladder rung. The right door had the auto loader ID white bar. The cars had 2D-F12 coil/leaf trucks, available from Bowser. They lasted into the sixties, some in Shadow Keystone P&L. At least one was mis-stenciled as an X31B. Elden Gatwood
-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:34 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [STMFC] PRR X31f "Turtle Roof" Box Cars I have several questions about these cars: In what years were they built? How many were built? What were their last years in revenue service? Thank you. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
Bill and Friends, Enough cracking egg jokes. PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s. Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC. I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic. Yours Aye,
Garth Groff
On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene
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Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars
Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
Hi Schuyler, Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"? Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? Cheers, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
On May 21, 2017, at 8:03 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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HO Freight Cars for Sale
I have a small group
of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for sale. I will send you a
list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.
Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition to the prices shown.
Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month.
Sorry for duplicate
postings.
Steve
Hile
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