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Re: SFRD reefer classes

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Clark.

From the Santa Fe Modeler's Listing of Freight Cars by Class and Car Number there were in 1953 the following number of cars in the respective number series.

RR-27 # 4200-4248.    48 cars

RR-27 # 18000-18499   0 cars, but there are cars in this series in 1956

RR-27 # 34500-34950 441 cars




On May 22, 2017, at 8:47 PM, tyesac@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 





-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, May 22, 2017 4:43 pm
Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,


When in doubt I refer to the gospels according to Thompson, Church and Jones (aka, the PFE "bible").  As I read them, technically, neither silver nor orange are correct for the feather.  The book states that the herald was always white on black.  Additionally, I have only identified cars that match that description in every online photo I can find.  For example: http://lariverrailroads.com/reefer/pfe55589.jpg


I'd go with the  one you think as "silver" as the most correct.  Of course that doesn't make the other car wrong, since RC had a fondness for experimental paint schemes.  However, given the paucity of the WP cars within the PFE fleet and the fact that they were freely distributed within that fleet, modeling the oddity is probably not the best approach.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: [STMFC] PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?
 


I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks




Re: SFRD reefer classes

tyesac@...
 





-----Original Message-----
From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, May 22, 2017 4:43 pm
Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Bruce Smith
 

Colin,

Interesting photo. That reweigh certainly could be 12-19, which would make some sense as some longitudinally riveted cars with safeties mounted on the top of the dome were starting to make an appearance. This is a pre-Type 21 given that the 21 stands for 1921, the year of its design ;) but it certainly resembles a Type 21. Issues that you might need to address on the tank if you used a LifeLike 10K tank would be that the dome appears narrower and taller than the Type 21. In addition, the dome is topped with a screw in access, as opposed to a safety hatch.

The car clearly has arch-bar trucks and appears to have split K (KD) brakes.

As for the frame, sure you can do it, but why bother when you have the Tichy frame that will serve?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 7:03 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net

http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg

Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11?

Colin


Re: SFRD reefer classes

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Clark,

According to the ATSF reefer book, USRA rebuild classes Rr-19 through Rr-27 (the Long's and Intermountain models) were all built in 1936 through early 1940 with wooden running boards and hatch platforms with the hatch hinges toward the end of the car.  Beginning with class Rr-28 (1940), the rebuilds received abbreviated wooden hatch platforms, and steel running boards and platforms were introduced after WWII.

Ted Culotta's "Essential Freight Cars 33", published in the August 2006 RMC, is a great article that shows several classes from the Long's and Intermountain models with the appropriate details.  He included a Sunshine kit of the Rr-34 through Rr-43 classes, all of which look pretty much the same and had the steel running boards and platforms.  I think one could build a nearly correct model of these cars from the Intermountain kit using some different parts (ends, fan control boxes, etc.).

The classes and built dates (from the ATSF reefer book):

Rr-19    31254-31655   1936-1937
Rr-23    31656-33155   1937-1938
Rr-25    33156-33655   1939
Rr-27    34500-34950   1939-1940
Rr-27      4200-4248     1940            (cars w/ fans)
Rr-28    35000-35499   1940
Rr-32    35500-35999   1940-1941
Rr-33    36301-36650   1941
Rr-33      4251-4400     1941           (cars w/ fans)
Rr-34    14280-15399   1941-1942
Rr-34      4401-4750     1941           (cars w/ fans)
Rr-35      7029-7358     1944-1945  (cars w/ fans, US Gypsum running boards, 7" eaves)  


Todd Sullivan    
 


Can I modify a Type 21 underframe into Type 11?

Kemal Mumcu
 

Hi folks,
I'm about to start working on a Life Like 10 000k tank car kit that was obviously inspired by the following photo from Ian Cranstone's site Nakina.net

http://nakina.net/photos/bmmx/bmmx001804.jpg

Now, to my eye the prototype seems to rest on a type 11 frame (correct me if I'm wrong) and not on the type 21 frame that Life Like provided. My question is what do I need to keep in mind when making alterations. Can I back date a type 21 frame to a type 11?

Colin


Re: HO Freight Cars for Sale

Jared Harper
 

Steve,

Please send the list.

Jared Harper


---In STMFC@..., <shile@...> wrote :

I have a small group of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for sale.  I will send you a list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.  Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition to the prices shown.  Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month.
 
Sorry for duplicate postings.
 
Steve Hile


Re: PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

There are two color photos of these cars in Jim Eager's WESTERN PACIFIC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT. A car preserved at the Feather River Railroad Museum shows the herald as black and what was probably white details. Actually, the light colored parts are yellow-orange, as most of the white has weathered away. This car was last reconditioned in 1943. The second is an in-service shot of a reconditioned car from the 1950s. The herald is clearly black and white.

It is possible that the herald originally had a red-orange feather when the cars were new, but this probably didn't last. Certainly by the first rebuilding around 1938-1943, the herald was black and white.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/22/17 3:23 PM, bill_stanton60@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks



Re: SFRD reefer classes

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Clark.

I'll take a gander at my copy of SFRH&MS Ice Reefer book and try to reply to your question off list.
 
Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford



From: "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]"
To: STMFC
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SFRD reefer classes

 
At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



SFRD reefer classes

Clark Propst
 

At a train show a couple weekends ago I picked up a Longs Drug Store/IM SFRD reefer kit. The car has a reweigh of 40 and has the R-27 class. In the box was a Plano running board set for the R-28, 32 class. I know nothing about Santa Fe reefers (probably wrote the class wrong?) Anyways, the kit instructions say to use different platforms around the hatches on these different classes.
My questions is: Is there any other differences between these classes? The Plano parts represent steel running boards while the model has wood with the hatch doors opening toward the end of the car. I would like the car to represent a car in the late 40s to 50 era. I will reweigh the car with a newer date and could just as well re-class it if the Plano parts will work?
All advice is appreciated!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


PFE/WP Reefers: Color of Feather (Orange or Silver)?

bill stanton
 

I have a red caboose kit r-30-12 pfe/wp reefer with feather in WP logo as orange but I've seen a red caboose RTR with the feather as silver.


Can anyone explain which is correct?


(I'm modeling 1947-48)


thanks


Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars (PFE Egg Loads)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Below are the PFE reefers with egg loads as reported on Terry Link's Canada Southern Railway website.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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Bill and Friends,

Enough cracking egg jokes.

PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s.

Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC.

I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Hi Schuyler,

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"?  Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. 

I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 5/22/2017 6:25 AM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:
It is possible dressed eggs means hard boiled eggs that have had the shell removed and were packed for shipment.

    Up until the 60s eggs were coated in "water glass".  I'm not sure how often and how much this was done but I do know it was done.  It's possible this is what the term meant.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks

Kenneth Montero
 

Dear Bruce,

Again, thank you. I can narrow my search.

I have always appreciated your willingness to share your knowledge with like-minded folks. I have learned a lot through this site.

Sincerely,
Ken Montero


Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Douglas Harding
 

While google will tell you that dressed eggs means deviled eggs, I suspect the term “dressed eggs” back in the steam era may refer to eggs that had been cleaned and candled (another term long gone from our lexicon). I can recall grandma cleaning eggs after collecting them, before she went to town to sell them. Candling eggs was the process of holding the egg up in front of a candle or light to see if an embryo was developing. This was a job in every local business that purchased eggs from local farmers. Just about every town in rural America had a place that purchased eggs. During the billboard reefer period many of these businesses leased reefers painted in very colorful paint schemes. Many were local creameries or poultry places. Eggs were a large part of their business. It is only since the steam era ended that the large mega-farm egg producers have dominated the egg industry.

 

It is possible dressed eggs means hard boiled eggs that have had the shell removed and were packed for shipment.

 

Eggs were a common load. I have samples of “ Caution Contains Eggs” placards from several railroads.

 

 

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Bill and Friends,

Enough cracking egg jokes.

PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s.

Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC.

I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic.

Yours Aye,

 

Garth Groff

 

On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi Schuyler,

 

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"?  Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. 

 

I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? 

 

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, CA

 

 


Re: PRR R6- Express Refrigerator Car - T rucks

Bruce Smith
 

Railworks sold the trucks separately as well.  They aren’t in business and their successor Crown Custom has sold out most inventory, but it might be useful to look either with Crown Custom or in the secondary market.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On May 21, 2017, at 9:49 PM, va661midlo@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Dear Colleagues, 

I am in the same situation as Jack, so I also greatly appreciate all that the members of this group contribute.

A follow-up question:

Is anyone aware of any manufacturer making an HO scale model of the trucks mentioned by Bruce Smith - 2D3P1, 2D3P3, 2D5P1 ?

Thanking y'all in advance, I am
Sincerely,
Ken Montero 



Re: [Non-DoD Source] PRR X31f "Turtle Roof" Box Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

I haven't found the full correspondence yet (still looking), but they were early WW2 (1939+) conversions of existing (as one example 1934-built) X31 DD cars, for Jeep transport. After the war most racks were removed, and they were used for just about anything. Keep in mind, they were conversions, so model from pics. There were variations in brake arrangement, based on the original car. For instance, car number 81840 had the original transversely-mounted air reservoir, which appeared prominently on the left side of the car right under the left door, with its mounting visible right under the left side sill just behind the left-most door roller. 81201 had an early Equipco hand brake. They all had auto rack brackets above the top rib on each end. Because the r/b was relocated upward, they had especially long r/b supports at each end.

They were originally stenciled "AUTOMOBILES" to the right of the doors centered on the second down ladder rung. The right door had the auto loader ID white bar.

The cars had 2D-F12 coil/leaf trucks, available from Bowser.

They lasted into the sixties, some in Shadow Keystone P&L. At least one was mis-stenciled as an X31B.

Elden Gatwood

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I have several questions about these cars:



In what years were they built?

How many were built?

What were their last years in revenue service?



Thank you.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill and Friends,

Enough cracking egg jokes.

PFE rebuilt 50 R-30 cars to class R-40-6 circa 1935-36 for egg service. These were numbered PFE 80101-80150. They are briefly discussed on page 118 of Tony's book (2nd ed.). I was given a copy of the general arrangement drawing for these cars by Dick Harley, but I have yet to see a photo of one. Tony didn't tell us where they were used, but I would not be surprised if some were loaded in the Petaluma/Santa Rosa area of Northern California, once a major egg and poultry center. This series operated in decreasing numbers through the 1950s.

Pacific Egg Producers operated URTCo. 12000-12359, built by AC&F in 1927. They are shown on page 51 of RPC 5. Walthers sold the former TM wood-end car in this lettering. Many other URTCo. reefers were built for butter, eggs and poultry shippers, and are shown in that issue of RPC.

I would be very interested in hearing whatever else you are able to learn about egg traffic.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 5/22/17 1:02 AM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Hi Schuyler,

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"?  Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. 

I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



Re: Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Schuyler,

Perhaps -- just perhaps -- the job of being an "egg dresser" has gone the way of a "buggy whip maker"?  Refrigeration has changed a good deal of peoples' lives. 

I need to do some research into the shipment of eggs in reefers, or would these have been an REA shipment? 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 21, 2017, at 8:03 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Oh, now there’s a job title

“Egg dresser”

What do you do for a living?”

“Oh, I dress eggs.”

“Say what?”

“I take eggs and rub them with butter. It’s called ‘dressing eggs.’”

I imagine it makes the chicks swoon . . .

(pun fully intended)

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those FDEX Refrigerator Cars

Hello Group,

In the days before refrigeration on ocean liners -- about a century or more ago -- eggs were rubbed with butter to keep them fresh. Perhaps this is what a "dressed egg" might be?

Cheers,

Bill Keene

Irvine, Ca



On May 21, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Ok, I gotta ask,
What does the well dressed egg wear?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

On 5/21/17 5:36 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:

According to the data I found on the Canada Southern Railway site (see message post No. 150111 from earlier today), FDEX refrigerator cars were documented as follows:

Road Number Weight Contents

FDEX 7022 12 tons Asparagus

FDEX 7055 18 tons Dressed eggs

FDEX 7055 5 tons Merchandise

FDEX 9267 N/A Empty

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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HO Freight Cars for Sale

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have a small group of HO freight cars that are excess to my needs for sale.  I will send you a list if you contact me, off list, at shile (at) mindspring (dot) com.  Actual shipping cost from Naperville is in addition to the prices shown.  Or I can hand off to you at Collinsville next month.
 
Sorry for duplicate postings.
 
Steve Hile

42901 - 42920 of 192624