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Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

No direct experience, but today, a modeler whose opinion I value highly told me that Tamiya has a flat finish in a spray can that he equates to using an airbrush because it is a very soft, gentle spray, and does what it says it will do.



Schuyler



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Subject: [STMFC] Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes





In the old Dos Equis beer commercial the Most Interesting Man in the World declares, "I don't always drink beer, but when I do I drink Dos Equis".



So if you were completing the following statement, what would you say?



"I don't always use rattle can matte and flat finishes, but when I do I use _____________."



Yes, I know the use of rattle cans is arrant heterodoxy on this group but I was just curious as to what people use when no one is looking and they don't feel

like cleaning their air brushes.



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

Dave Parker
 

Apologies in advance if this eventually posts twice, but Yahoo is being its usual glitchy self.

Bob:

I have six builders photos of X-29s built in 1924-25.  All but one of them are sharp enough to reveal the rivets under the door corresponding to the cross-ties.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



On Saturday, June 3, 2017 8:03 PM, "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
From drawings published in the trade journals of the time, I recall that the early X29 box cars had no cross ties just the cross-bearers located between the door posts and the body bolsters. But could my recollections be wrong and it was the ARA automobile cars PRR X28 and the B&O M-27 that had underframes with only cross bearers?  The cross ties to strengthen the underframe appeared in later designs.

In material from a very old handout authored by Chris Barkan on B&O ARA/AAR box cars, he states the classes M-26 and M-26b had the early ARA underframe, Unfortunately in the photos I have of class M-26 the brackets for the bottom door track obscures any rivets used for fastening the cross ties.


Regards,

Bob Witt.



Re: B&O N-34 COVERED HOPPER CAR

rwitt_2000
 

Someone in the B&ORRHS compiled the assignment for each model manufactured by Spring Mill Depot.

From this 1952 assignment document the commodities hauled by the majority of the N-34s were cement/lime/dolomite not exactly "low density"materials.

Problems may have appeared later in their service life especially with their Duryea underframes, but I am not aware of design problems.

The 1960 Summary of Equipment lists 198 cars still on the roster of original 200 built in 1941. Not too bad after 20 years of service.

Bob Witt


Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

rwitt_2000
 

From drawings published in the trade journals of the time, I recall that the early X29 box cars had no cross ties just the cross-bearers located between the door posts and the body bolsters. But could my recollections be wrong and it was the ARA automobile cars PRR X28 and the B&O M-27 that had underframes with only cross bearers?  The cross ties to strengthen the underframe appeared in later designs.

In material from a very old handout authored by Chris Barkan on B&O ARA/AAR box cars, he states the classes M-26 and M-26b had the early ARA underframe, Unfortunately in the photos I have of class M-26 the brackets for the bottom door track obscures any rivets used for fastening the cross ties.


Regards,

Bob Witt.


Re: Resin Car Works instructions

Eric Hansmann
 

David,

Two parts were uploading added yesterday. The links should be here. Refresh if you don't see them a bit down the page. 




Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jun 3, 2017, at 7:31 PM, jaydeet2001@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I received the kit for the RCW insulated tank yesterday. Turns out the box has a single page

indicating that instructions and photos are a PDF file available on the RCW website... which doesn't work. Anyone know of another source?


David Thompson



Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

Nelson Moyer
 

I've used both Dulcote ad Model Master Lusterless Flatin rattle cans, and I prefer MM.

Nelson Moyer

On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:08 PM, frograbbit602@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Testor's Dullcote is the only flat finish in a  rattle can I have.

Lester Breuer


Resin Car Works instructions

David
 

I received the kit for the RCW insulated tank yesterday. Turns out the box has a single page

indicating that instructions and photos are a PDF file available on the RCW website... which doesn't work. Anyone know of another source?


David Thompson



Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

Bruce Smith
 

I'm proud to say Model Master flat.  I paint brass locos with it.  It's a great paint!


Regards

Bruce Smith 

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 7:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes
 


In the old Dos Equis beer commercial the Most Interesting Man in the World declares, "I don't always drink beer, but when I do I drink Dos Equis".

 

So if you were completing the following statement, what would you say?

 

"I don't always use rattle can matte and flat finishes, but when I do I use _____________."

 

Yes, I know the use of rattle cans is arrant heterodoxy on this group but I was just curious as to what people use when no one is looking and they don't feel

like cleaning their air brushes.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

frograbbit602
 

Testor's Dullcote is the only flat finish in a  rattle can I have.
Lester Breuer


Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

al_brown03
 

Testor's Dullcote or ModelMaster Lusterless (flat).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

Robert J Miller CFA
 

"Model Master" flat. 


On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:22 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

In the old Dos Equis beer commercial the Most Interesting Man in the World declares, "I don't always drink beer, but when I do I drink Dos Equis".

 

So if you were completing the following statement, what would you say?

 

"I don't always use rattle can matte and flat finishes, but when I do I use _____________."

 

Yes, I know the use of rattle cans is arrant heterodoxy on this group but I was just curious as to what people use when no one is looking and they don't feel

like cleaning their air brushes.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Rattle Can Matte & Flat Finishes

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In the old Dos Equis beer commercial the Most Interesting Man in the World declares, "I don't always drink beer, but when I do I drink Dos Equis".

 

So if you were completing the following statement, what would you say?

 

"I don't always use rattle can matte and flat finishes, but when I do I use _____________."

 

Yes, I know the use of rattle cans is arrant heterodoxy on this group but I was just curious as to what people use when no one is looking and they don't feel

like cleaning their air brushes.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O N-34 COVERED HOPPER CAR

mark_landgraf
 

Bill

According to the guys web site that just ran that car in HO, they were unable to find any drawings for the car. B&O Baltimore does not have any. The Pierre Marquette society may be a source. I've been casually looking for those drawings for the last several years with no luck. All I've found was that nobody knows of any or anybody that does. 

So I believe the modelshop web statement. The modelshop certainly prepared CAD drawings for their model‎. Maybe they'd be willing to share. 

In real life these cars had short lives because of their weak sides. They could only be used for loading light weight commodities. If you find a drawing, please let me know. 

Mark

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Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 12:51 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] B&O N-34 COVERED HOPPER CAR

 


Does anyone know if drawings for the Baltimore And Ohio N-34 wagon top hopper cars were ever published? This question was prompted yesterday when I came across the drawings for a Santa Fe Ga-55 gondola in a 1970's issue of Model Railroader. I had been lokng for these for a while. Hopefully the drawings for the B&O cars are also buried
in antiquity.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

Bill Welch
 

I agree Eric, the WLE used the XM-1 arrangement w/the cross ites under the door posts and have modified my underframes to match this arrangement.

Bill Welch


Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

 

I have reviewed several prototype images of these W&LE box cars and I believe the underframes in these steel-sheathed cars follow the arrangement of the XM-1 single-sheathed car underframe. The W&LE cars have a KC brake system and seem to reflect the drawings on page 10 of RPCyc Volume 18. I modified a Red Caboose model to move the cross ties under the door posts and install a KC brake system. The funky bracket for the long brake arm was crafted from a Kadee #5 uncoupling spring. With luck, I’ll be able to paint and decal the model after my move to Tennessee.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 3:27 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

 



Under the door posts meaning under the edge of the door opening

 

On the X29 the cross ties are under the door opening

 

Those rivets we see inline about where the door stops are where the Cross Bearers are attached to the side sill.

 

Bill Welch



B&O N-34 COVERED HOPPER CAR

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Does anyone know if drawings for the Baltimore And Ohio N-34 wagon top hopper cars were ever published? This question was prompted yesterday when I came across the drawings for a Santa Fe Ga-55 gondola in a 1970's issue of Model Railroader. I had been lokng for these for a while. Hopefully the drawings for the B&O cars are also buried
in antiquity.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: B&O M-26B Cross Ties

Bill Welch
 

Answering my own question w/the help of a couple of photos sent to me I can say that the M-26B underframe arrangement is like the X29 if I can go by the location of the large rivets under the doors meaning that the cross ties are located there.

Bill Welch


Re: Kits are now for sale

Bill Welch
 

Well done Pierre!

Bill Welch


Kits are now for sale

Pierre Oliver
 


Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler #28 now available

Justin May
 

The ACL and SAL Historical Society is pleased to announce the latest edition of the Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler. This is our 28th issue thus far and we are always appreciative of feedback, comments, and items the general readership would like to see. 

The latest issue can be downloaded at 


Instructions for downloading are immediately below the current issue image.

For those who may have missed an issue, the website currently contains issues 21 through 27 which are also available at no cost. 

Thank you for your continued readership and support,

Justin May

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