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Tank Car Rock Hauler

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In Southern California during the 1960s through the 1980s I recall seeing cut-down tank car bodies (probably ICC 103s) being used as highway trailers for hauling very large rocks.

 

The end nearest the truck cab remained in place and from there the body was cut-down about one-third. A conventional set of double-axle truck wheels supported the rear.

 

I don't recall seeing any form of tail gate one these trailers and this was well before truckers were required to take measures to prevent looses rock fragments from dropping off the trailers.

 

I imagine such loads quickly damaged the bodies and such rock haulers didn't last very long. For what ever reasons, I don't recall seeing suck rock haulers after the mid-1980s or so.

 

Has anyone else seen these? Does anyone have a photo?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:
"I have a list of some 130 “Rails and Sails” railroad trading cards.   I don’t know the exact date of publication but my recollection would be sometime between 1953-1956."

1955.  Here's a complete list:


Ben Hom



Re: Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper

Charlie Vlk
 

Schuyler-

I have a list of some 130 "Rails and Sails" railroad trading cards. I
don't know the exact date of publication but my recollection would be
sometime between 1953-1956.

The Colgate-Palmolive covered hopper was #2 SHPX 2569.

Charlie Vlk




1

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LOCOMOTIVE 999 NEW YORK CENTRAL c.1895 (1)


2

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COVERED HOPPER CAR SHPX (1)


3

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)


4

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FIRST ELECTRIC TYPE NEW YORK CENTRAL RR (1)


5

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DAYLIGHT STREAMLINER SOUTHERN PACIFIC RR (1)


6

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CAMELBACK LOCOMOTIVE CENTRAL RR OF NEW JERSEY (1)


7

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE FRENCH NATIONAL RR (1)


8

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE CHICAGO MILWAUKEE ST.PAUL & PACIFIC RR (1)


9

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STEEL CABOOSE CLINCHFIELD RR (1)


10

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BALLAST DUMP CAR CLKX (1)


11

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STOCK CAR MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)


12

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STEAM TURBINE LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)


13

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THREE DOME TANKCAR SHPX (1)


14

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WOODEN TANK CAR c.1900 (1)


15

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CHLORINE CONTAINER CAR SHPX (1)


16

ENCLOSED CAB LOCOMOTIVE CANADIAN PACIFIC RR (1)


17

DEPRESSED CENTER FLAT CAR TPPX (1)


18

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT RR (1)


19

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TANK LOCOMOTIVE BRITISH RR (1)


20

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STEEL BOX CAR PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)


21

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. LOUIS RR (1)


22

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SHARK NOSE DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)


23

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PCC TROLLEY 1954 (1)


24

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MISSISSIPPI NATCHEZ AND HAMBURG RR c.1838 (1)


25

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NORTH STAR ENGLISH SINGLE WHEELER LOCOMOTIVE c.1850 (1)


26

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DIESEL SWITCHER NATIONAL RR OF MEXICO (1)


27

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RACK-RAIL LOCOMOTIVE MT. WASHINGTON 1870 (1)


28

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE COAL MINING c.1920 (1)


29

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BALLAST HOPPER CAR WESTERN PACIFIC RR (1)


30

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WILLIAM MASON BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1856 (1)


31

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WEDGE SNOW PLOW NEW HAVEN RR (1)


32

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DIESEL STREAMLINER UNION PACIFIC RR (1)


33

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FIRST CONSOLIDATION 2-8-0 LOCOMOTIVE c.1870 (1)


34

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ROTARY SNOW PLOW LONG ISLAND RR (1)


35

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INSPECTION ENGINE LEHIGH VALLEY RR (1)


36

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DIESEL SWITCHER MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)


37

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REFRIGERATOR CAR RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY (1)


38

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PACIFIC TYPE LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)


39

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE CLIMAX-GEARED c.1910 (1)


40

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HOLMAN'S ABSURDITY EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE c.1897 (1)


41

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FIRST DIESEL CENTRAL RR of NEW JERSEY (1)


42

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DIESEL SWITCHER SOUTHERN PACIFIC RR (1)


43

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WOODEN CABOOSE MISSOURI KANSAS TEXAS LINES (1)


44

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MUDDIGGER BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1844 (1)


45

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SWITCHING ENGINE DIESEL-HYDRAULIC 1954 (1)


46

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BIRNEY TROLLEY CAR SAFETY TYPE c.1925 (1)


47

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FORNEY LOCOMOTIVE NEW YORK ELEVATED c1880 (1)


48

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BAY-WINDOW CABOOSE BALTIMORE AND OHIO (1)


49

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FIRELESS COOKER SWITCHING LOCOMOTIVE c.1912 (1)


50

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ROCKET LOCOMOTIVE ROCK ISLAND RR (1)


51

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GAS TURBINE LOCOMOTIVE UNION PACIFIC RR (1)


52

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)


53

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VISTA DOME COACH BURLINGTON LINES (1)


54

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GAS-ELECTRIC CAR NEW HAVEN RR (1)


55

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YORK BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1831 (1)


56

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GENERAL CIVIL WAR LOCOMOTIVE c.1864 (1)


57

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)


58

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LAFAYETTE BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1837 (1)


59

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SAILING CAR BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1830 (1)


60

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STEPHENSON'S ROCKET ENGLISH LOCOMOTIVE 1829 (1)


61

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STREET CAR HORSE DRAWN c.1885 (1)


62

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MCKEEN MOTOR CAR UNION PACIFIC (1)


63

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EDDY CLOCK LOCOMOTIVE BOSTON AND ALBANY RR c.1855 (1)


64

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ONE-DOME TANK CAR SHPX (1)


65

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CASEY JONES LOCOMOTIVE ILLINOIS CENTRAL c.1900 (1)


66

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CABLE CAR SAN FRANCISCO c.1900 (1)


67

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LIVE POULTRY CAR LPTX (1)


68

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)


69

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CROMPTON LOCOMOTIVE CAMDEN AND AMBOY RR c.1849 (1)


70

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)


71

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HORSE TREADMILL CAR BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1830 (1)


72

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8 WHEEL TROLLEY NEW YORK AND QUEENS RR c.1915 (1)


73

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WRECKING CRANE LEHIGH VALLEY RR (1)


74

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WOTTEN CAMELBACK LOCOMOTIVE READING RR 1880 (1)


75

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RAIL DIESEL CAR BUDD COMPANY 1954 (1)


76

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SANDUSKY LOCOMOTIVE MAD RIVER AND LAKE ERIE RR 1837 (1)


77

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OBSERVATION CAR ROCK ISLAND RR (1)


78

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FIRST MOGUL NEW JERSEY RR 1863 (1)


79

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STOURBRIDGE LION STEAM LOCOMOTIVE 1829 (1)


80

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE SHAY-GEARED TYPE c.1905 (1)


81

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SOUTH CAROLINA DOUBLE-ENDER TYPE LOCOMOTIVE 1832 (1)


82

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE EGYPTIAN STATE RR (1)


83

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COMMODORE VANDERBILT LOCOMOTIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)


84

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PULPWOOD CAR LOUISIANA AND ARKANSAS RR (1)


85

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20TH CENTURY NEW YORK CENTRAL 1902 (1)


86

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ARTICULATED TYPE LOCOMOTIVE N AND W RR (1)


87

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EARLY SWITCHING ENGINE 0-4-0 TYPE 1866 (1)


88

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ELECTRIC TYPE LOCOMOTIVE GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)


89

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PASSENGER CAR LAKAWANNA RR c.1870 (1)


90

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INCLINE MAUCH CHUNK c.1830 (1)


91

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THEATRICAL CAR PRIVATE OWNER c.1900 (1)


92

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DEMONSTRATION LOCOMOTIVE STEVENS DESIGN 1826 (1)


93

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JOHN BULL LOCOMOTIVE CAMDEN AND AMBOY RR c.1833 (1)


94

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EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE FONTAINE DESIGN c.1885 (1)


95

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SWITCHING ENGINE 0-6-0 MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)


96

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DINING CAR PENNSYVANIA RR (1)


97

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SUGAR CANE CAR BRAZIL (1)


98

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ORE CAR GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)


99

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AUTOMOBILE BOX CAR NEW YORK CENTRAL RR (1)


100

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PRIVATE CAR DELAWARE AND HUDSON RR c.1865 (1)


101

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JOSHUA RHODES FIRST PORTER LOCOMOTIVE 1866 (1)


102

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STEAM STREAMLINER NEW YORK CENTRALl RR (1)


103

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REFRIGERATOR CAR RAILWAY EXPRESS (1)


104

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THE HIAWATHA - CHICAGO ST PAUL RAND MILWAUKEE RR (1)


105

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NARROW GAUGE SANDY RIVERR RR c.1910 (1)


106

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BEST FRIEND SOUTH CAROLINA RR 1830 (1)


107

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THE PIONEER FIRST CHICAGO LOCOMOTIVE c.1848 (1)


108

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SUBWAY TRAIN NEW YORK CITY (1)


109

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ELECTRIC TYPE ENGINE ITALIAN STATE RR (1)


110

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ELECTRIC TYPE ENGINE NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)


111

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STREAMLINED STEAM LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD (1)


112

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SWITCHER ENGINE 0-8-0 MISSOURI PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)


113

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CAMEL TYPE LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD c.1855 (1)


114

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OLD IRONSIDES FIRST BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE 1832 (1)


115

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GRASSHOPPER TYPE ENGINE 1832 B AND O RAILROAD (1)


116

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MULTIPLE UNIT TRAIN NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)


117

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OPEN END DAY COACH c.1890 D L AND W RAILWAY (1)


118

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ELECTRIC TYPE VIRGINIAN RAILWAY (1)


119

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HIGH-PRESSURE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE D AND H RAILROAD (1)


120

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CAB FORWARD LOCOMOTIVE SOUHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)


121

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ACF TALGO STREAMLINER (1)


122

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD (1)


123

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RED ARROW EXPRESS SWISS RAILWAYS (1)


124

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MONSTER ENGINE CANDEN AND AMBOY RAILROAD 1869 (1)


125

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STEAM STREAMLINER N AND W RAILROAD (1)


126

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)


127

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SINGLE WHEELER READING RAILROAD c.1880 (1)


128

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STEEL BOX CAR BAZOOKA BUBBLE GUM (1)


129

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BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE c. 1840 (1)


130

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BURLINGTON ROUTE ZEPHYR STREAMLINER (1)



















































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:09 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper





Steve Johnson wrote:

"One of the old Topps railroad trading cards . . . "

Say what? "railroad trading cards?" That's a new one on me. When did
Topps make these?

Schuyler


Hooker tank car help

Brian Carlson
 

I'm working on 4 Hooker tank cars (3 Tangent and one Broadway). Does anyone have color photos that would help in weathering.

I see the modern Hookers cars all the time and they don't have any unique weathering patterns but was wondering if the ones from the Steam era were different and the weathering would help denote the lading similar to modern molten sulfur cars.
Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson
Prrk41361 at yahoo dot com.


Re: Photo wanted

Edward
 

Lenoir Loree had no trouble at all in holding a job. He did excellent work, then moved on to another challenge. He was president of the B&O while it was in receivership and under Pennsylvania Railroad control, which was arranged by financier J.P. Morgan. He left when B&O's period in receivership ended. 

Loree at the time was a PRR man. He did much to re-build and re-organize the B&O into a stronger, more efficient carrier. It had bankrupted itself in a head-long, spare-no-expense rush to get into the New York freight market in the 1880's-90's, while neglecting its western lines which were in disrepair and giving poor service.
Loree also updated the aged and obsolete B&O motive power during his time with the company. Some classes of new B&O steam locomotives were built to basic PRR designs, notably with Belpaire fireboxes.

Ed Bommer


Re: Photo wanted

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938.  He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28).  He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches."

Bill Welch asked:
"Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?"

He didn't.

Prior to becoming the president of the B&O, Loree spent over 20 years with the Pennsy as a civil engineer and executive.  He was a turnaround specialist - an early 20th century version of John Barringer brought in by trustees to turn around troubled railroads.  For example, his presidency on the B&O coincided with PRR control of the railroad.

While an innovator, Loree's rolling stock philosophy on the D&H was conservative.  The dominate freight power was 2-8-0s with Wooten fireboxes, and the freight car fleet was largely made up of composite designs built in the railroad's own shops.  The railroad did experiment during the Depression, converting several "Super Consolidations" and developing interesting welded single-sheathed and welded side boxcar designs, but it also investigated the use of roller bearings in arch bar trucks.  As a result, the D&H rolling stock fleet had a very distinctive look, very few outside designs (USRA twin hoppers and single sheathed boxcars) on the roster before the end of WWII.


Ben Hom  


when did nyc drop periods on boxcars?

bill stanton
 

when did nyc drop periods but still had lines above and below "nyc" on boxcars?


Re: Photo wanted

Bill Welch
 

Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?

Bill Welch


Re: Kits are now for sale

Dave Parker
 

Jonathan:

Thanks so much for your thorough and detailed narrative about the origins (and later fate) of the CP auto cars.

With my ORERs spanning 1926 to 1945, I had worked out most of what happened to the 600 cars in the 297500 and 297800 series, but you filled in some key details while also shedding light on what, for me, is the "distant future".

One comment concerning the 500 similar cars built in 1921-22 (297000 series).  In my 1926 and 1930 ORERs, these too have an IL of 10-0 and a CU FT of 3442.  The IL of 10-1 and CU FT of 3471 first appears in my 1935 edition.  So, in at least some of the early ORERs, the interior dimensions of the two groups of cars are the same, a possible source of confusion.  I would note that the external dimensions are consistently different across the two groups of cars, reflecting their different origins that you enumerate.

Last, just a reminder that there should be a fourth door configuration available (Pierre has promised!):  the original 10-0 doors that will be a welcome sight for us pre-1936 modelers.

Thanks again for your efforts here.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:47 PM, "'Jonathan McConathy' jothsue@... [STMFC]"


 
I hope the group excuses me for not being on the eight-ball with the following information. Having researched (still a work in progress sorting the variations and many subseries reported in ORERs from the 1920s to the 1970s ) CPR’s 1,100, 1920s-built steel frame automobile cars for years now, I want to pass on some of my findings relevant to Yarmouth Model Works’ exquisite new offering.  
Between late 1923 through 1924, the Canadian Pacific built 600 cars to this design in two orders at the railway’s Angus Shops in Montreal. The 1923-built, 300-car, 297500-297799 series (E.O. 2051) and the 1924-built, 300-car, 297800-298099 series (E.O. 2094)  would continue to be listed separately in ensuing ORERs up until sometime in the late 1940s (my insight ends with the July 1947 ORER) . By the April 1951 ORER, the two series had been combined and listed as the single 297500-298099 series. As built, both series were identical, featuring an offset 10’-opening, Murphy X.L.A. roof, 5/5/5 inverted Murphy ends, deep fishbelly centersill, fishbelly sidesill, and arch bar trucks.  The car’s interior dimensions: Length- 40'6", Width - 8'6", Height- 10'0".
Let me take a moment here to emphasize differences between these cars and an earlier design of CPR steel frame automobile cars, which are often conflated. Between 1921 and 1922, 500 cars were ordered from Angus shops (85 cars built in 1921 [E.O. 1708] were subsequently combined with the 415 ordered in 1922 [E.O. 1954] into a single series 297000-297499). These 500 CPR auto cars featured a Hutchins Dry Lading roof, 5/5/7 (3-panel, top-to-bottom) Murphy ends, straight centersill, Andrews trucks and a distinctive stepped sidesill reinforcement.  These cars features nearly identical interior dimensions as those of the 1923-1924 production series, save the height measuring 10’1”.     
Now, back to the cars pertaining to the kit.
During the mid-1930s, hundreds of cars were withdrawn from the two 1923/24 production series, shopped with larger door openings and reassigned to two new subseries described below.  All of the remaining cars in the 297500-298099 series retained their 10’ door openings through at-least 1951, but no later than 1954 (my insight ends with 176 cars listed in the April 1951 ORER and does not pick up again until 1954). By the January 1954 ORER, the remaining cars were shopped with 13’-6’ openings and other updates and entered into yet another subseries (see 1950s 297700-297899 subseries).
296800-296899: This 100-car subseries was shopped in 1934 with a 12’ width opening. This required the removal of the second diagonal hat-brace to accommodate the new auxiliary door, which was now wider than the main door. There is no ORER or M.P. 14 data that indicate any other improvements during the remainder of the 1930s, but in later years select cars received brake and truck upgrades. In 1952, 81 of the remaining 97 cars were removed from the 296800 series, shopped and renumbered in the 297300-297399 series and re-built with diagonal panel roofs, steel running boards, A/B brakes (AJAX hand brake), and cast steel frame trucks (if not already improved). The installation of the diagonal panel roof resulted in increased interior height of 10’6”. The remaining cars retained their “as-built” Murphy XLA roofs and were assigned to the 40237-40250 series in 1956 (14 Cars listed in the Oct. 1956 ORER).
296300-296599: This 300-car subseries was shopped between 1936 and 1938 with 13’3” doors.  The July 1935 ORER recorded 498 cars remaining in the 1923/24 production series equipped with 10’ wide doors, which were becoming quite antiquated as automobile designs grew proportionally larger during the 1930s.  Photo evidence confirms that the auxiliary doors on cars with 13’-3” openings abutted the second vertical steel brace and no further because otherwise the auxiliary door would interfere with the grab irons.   
Canadian Pacific’s 1941 M.P. 14 lists 50 cars from this subseries as having been equipped with cast steel side frames with the other 250 cars presumably retaining their original arch bar trucks.  There is no ORER or M.P. 14 data that suggest any other improvements during this period, but in 1950, 200 cars were withdrawn from this series and shopped with diagonal panel roofs, steel running boards, A/B brakes and cast steel frame trucks and renumbered into the 299600-299799 series, leaving just 96 cars in the 296300 subseries. In 1952, 43 of the remaining 95 cars were shopped with the same improvements and entered into the 297400-297448 subseries. In 1956, the remaining cars in the subseries transitioned to the 4XXXX? Series (looking for photos of cars in the 40000-40047 series).
Finally, the last CPR series of cars that can be modelled is the short-lived 177-car 297700-297899 subseries, which was created in 1954 and for all intents and purposes, lasted a mere two years (only five remaining in 1956).  The 297700 series was drawn from the as-built 1923-1924 production series previously mentioned.  It’s also imperative to note that this series’ number range occupies part of the as-built 1923-1924 series’ number range, which by the January 1954 ORER had been abbreviated to 297500-297699 in order to make room for the new series. This series was shopped with a 13’-6” door openings, but according to the Jan.1954, Jan.1955 and Oct.1956 ORERs, this series maintained its as-built Murphy XLA roof, making it a candidate for this kit.
To summarize, here are the series that can be modelled (consistent with the unimproved Murphy XLA roof):   
CP 296800-296899 series with 12” wide door openings: 100 cars in 1934, 97 in 1951, 14 in 1954, and gone by 1956.
CP 296300-296599 series with 13’3” wide openings : 32 cars in 1936, 300 in 1938, 296 in 1944, 96 in 1951, 52 in 1954 and 2 in 1956.
CP 297700-297899 series with 13’6”openings: 177 cars in 1954, 5 in 1956 and gone by 1958.
CP  40237-40250 series, née 1934 296800-296899 series (above) with 12” door openings (15 cars): 14 cars in 1956, still 14 in 1962, 9 in 1964, 4 in 1968 and 2 in 1977.
 
Jonathan McConathy



Re: Santa Fe Caswell gondola question

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/7/2017 9:56 PM, harperandbrown@... [STMFC] wrote:

The IM Ga-2 model I have has a wood floor with the boards running the length of the car.  Isn't that unusual for car floors?

    I don't know that answer.  Would be good to have a photo of the inside of these cars.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Photo wanted

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938.  He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28).  He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:21 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch




Re: Photo wanted

Bill Welch
 

My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch


Re: Photo wanted

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:
"Actually the only Hopper/Gondola combination F&C offers is their Kansas City Southern kit."

Not true.  Funaro offers three Loree-era D&H composite hopper-bottom gons.  These have been in their line since the mid-1980s.

These cars were on their way out by the transition era (< 10 of each type by 1950 IIRC), but have that funky throwback Loree-era vibe shared by the original configuration Seley hoppers.


Ben Hom


  


Re: Photo wanted

Benjamin Hom
 

Jared  Harper asked: 
"Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?  I would appreciate it."

Staffan Ehnbom replied:
"If it is the KCS hopper gon there are photos and drawings on pages 272-273 in Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 5."

I see now - synapses weren't all firing at once at 0400.

See also "All Welded Hopper-Gon - Unique to the KCS" by Martin Lofton in the January 1991 issue of Mainline Modeler.


Ben Hom


Re: Photo wanted

Bill Welch
 

Actually the only Hopper/Gondola combination F&C offers is their Kansas City Southern kit.

Bill Welch


Re: Photo wanted

Staffan Ehnbom
 

If it is the KCS hopper gon there are photos and drawings on pages 272-273 in Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 5.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it.

Jared Harper



Re: Photo wanted

Benjamin Hom
 

Jared Harper asked:
"Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it."

Could you be more specific? Funaro makes a bunch of hopper and gon kits.


Ben Hom


Photo wanted

Jared Harper
 

Can anyone provide a prototype photo of the hopper/gon that F&C offers in kit form?
I would appreciate it.

Jared Harper


Re: Ertl cars

Jared Harper
 

I wouldn't be interested in these.

Jared Harper


---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

Clark,

The Ertl flat is the same prototype as the Tichy flat, an NC&St.L. car and several of the other road names offered are correct such as ACL, SP&S 

The gondola is an MEC or ACL prototype.

Lots of discussion on both in the archives.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 7, 2017, at 2:50 PM, cepropst@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



A friend was in Omaha looking in antique stores...I don’t know why? He picked up three Ertl cars for five bucks each on my behalf. So now I own a box car, gondola and flat car. What to do with the box car’s a no brainer, but I don’t know much about the other two cars. I looked in my RMJ index and only saw reference to the box car. So, I have to ask - what are some prototypes for the gon and flat, or would someone like to buy them? I can bring them to St L.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




Re: Ertl cars

Jared Harper
 

Ben,

If I knew the prototypes I might be interested.

Jared Harper


---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote :

Clark Propst asked:
"A friend was in Omaha looking in antique stores...I don’t know why? He picked up three Ertl cars for five bucks each on my behalf. So now I own a box car, gondola and flat car. What to do with the box car’s a no brainer, but I don’t know much about the other two cars. I looked in my RMJ index and only saw reference to the box car. So, I have to ask - what are some prototypes for the gon and flat, or would someone like to buy them? I can bring them to St L."

The flat is the same prototype as the Tichy flat.  See Richard Hendrickson's article in the June 1993 issue of Railmodel Journal for more details.

The gon is ACL or MEC IIRC, but can serve as a stand-in for other low-side gons (LV, SOU).  The devil, is of course, in the details, so, as usual, check photos before moving forward.


Ben Hom

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