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CPR autobox car casting error

Pierre Oliver
 

PLease see this blog post;

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2017/06/if-you-bought-cpr-autobox-kit-from-me.html

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: 6 dome insulated tank car with tiny dome valves

Tony Thompson
 

gary laakso wrote:

 
These are the smallest tank dome valves that I have seen:

   They aren't valves, they are vents, with frangible disks.They were permitted with non-regulated commodities such as wine, vegetable oil, and others. See my blog post: 


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Re: GATX 68508

Jack Mullen
 

That would indeed be striking, and capturing the rather mangy weathering of the gray tank would be challenging and impressive if done well.

Jack Mullen


YVRR layout video on YouTube...

Jack Burgess
 

Last month, a two-person crew from TSG Media videoed my layout in High-def over several days. The video follows a freight train (required freight car stuff) from Merced to El Portal. It has now been uploaded to YouTube at

 

https://youtu.be/EHGkZHLqALY

 

Jack Burgess


Re: 6 dome insulated tank car with tiny dome valves

Tom Madden
 

Owl Mountain Models offers them in HO as 2" Frangible Tank Car Vents in both top mount and side mount versions.

http://www.owlmtmodels.com/detail_parts/detail_parts.html


Tom Madden


Re: 6 dome insulated tank car with tiny dome valves

Jeff Coleman
 

Those look like Midland safety vents rather than safety valves to me.
Jeff Coleman


On Jun 10, 2017 11:29 AM, "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

These are the smallest tank dome valves that I have seen:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City-and/i-MnrhF9h/A 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


6 dome insulated tank car with tiny dome valves

gary laakso
 

These are the smallest tank dome valves that I have seen:

 

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Emil-Albrecht-Photos/1947-Oct-Salt-Lake-City-and/i-MnrhF9h/A 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


Re: Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Bill Welch
 

FYI needed for this marriage is one Undec Tangent Gen. Amer. Acid Tank Car kit 13000-01 and one Red Caboose 8K welded tank.

Bill Welch


Re: GATX 68508

Ted Culotta
 

Richard modestly failed to mention that he emailed me that there is a fair amount of Commercial Solvents corporate ephemera at the Vigo County Public Library in Terre Haute. If I can work it out, I plan a pit stop on the drive to Collinsville. Black and orange on a gray tank, it would be quite striking. Thanks for everyone's help.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Orphan FOFC photo - UOCX 8018

Richard Townsend
 

Pure speculation on my part, but if it really is orange and black, if the other markings also are orange and black, that would make for a spectacular scheme on a gray tank, which is what it looks like to me. I hope a definitive answer is found.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Jun 9, 2017 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Orphan FOFC photo - UOCX 8018

 
Ted:

An excellent guess for the oval herald would be orange and black:




Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:53 AM, "Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
I posted a photo to my blog that turned up mixed in with the head end, passenger, and locomotive stuff from the FOFC photos (Urac Collection). You can see it at my blog (link below).

Enjoy.

Cheers,
Ted




Re: June op session on the Alma branch cancelled; now taking operators for the July session

Bruce Smith
 

Hi Jared,

I might be up for that depending on the day,

Regards
Bruce

On Jun 9, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:



Due to several factors I am cancelling the June op session on Santa Fe's Alma branch.  I will be having a session in July so if you are interested please contact me.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821 




Re: Orphan FOFC photo - UOCX 8018

Dave Parker
 

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 11:53 AM, "Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I posted a photo to my blog that turned up mixed in with the head end, passenger, and locomotive stuff from the FOFC photos (Urac Collection). You can see it at my blog (link below).

Enjoy.

Cheers,
Ted




June op session on the Alma branch cancelled; now taking operators for the July session

Jared Harper
 

Due to several factors I am cancelling the June op session on Santa Fe's Alma branch.  I will be having a session in July so if you are interested please contact me.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821 


HO OMI Pennsy brass X28 1+1/2 door Auto box car

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I have a project PRR X28 box car which I have lost interest. I purchased this Overland Models #3018, MS Models built, X28 without an underframe/floor. My intentions were to remove the left-side corrugated 4' Youngstown door, fill in the door opening with a riveted panel. and have a period correct X28A rebuild.

This comes with the original box and foam in great condition, but the underframe and floor is missing and I suggest a modified Red Caboose X29 frame. The brass body is in no tarnish mint condition, and brake staff and running board, along with ladders and grabs are present. As the 1st 100 cars came with arch bar trucks, I will include a pair of Tahoe Model Works 5'6" Arch Bar trucks with semi-scale code 88 wheel sets. Info for this car can be found in Vol. 24 of RPC.

The 1st 1000 (of a total of 5000 X28's built) were equipped with Youngstown corrugated steel doors, as is this model. I will toss in 4 pairs of Red Caboose X28 3-panel doors for kitbashing fodder if the buyer is inclined to model one of the 2000 so equipped. These cars were all gone by 1935, having been rebuilt into X28a single door box cars.

Offered for $85, shipping included to US addresses. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal. Contact me off-list @ for details.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Ted Culotta
 

I posted a photo to my blog (link below) of GATX 68508 lettered for Commercial Solvents Corp. Can anyone shed light on the colors of the tank and lettering, including emblems, etc.? Thank you.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Photo wanted

riverman_vt@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?

Bill Welch

Some will disagree but I would suggest that it was largely because he learned his
railroading on the Standard Scrapyard of the World, otherwise known as the Pennsy.
He damn near put the D&H into bankruptcy before Nuelle and then White brought it 
back. Loree's idea of a good locomotive was a 2-8-0 that would haul as much as a 
superpower Lima 2-8-4 but at only half the speed. Comparing him to John Barringer
IMHO is little more than an insult to Barringer. He might have been a good railroad
executive prior to 1900 but certainly not after 1910.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: when did nyc drop periods on boxcars?

Dave Parker
 

I have no NYC expertise but, since I have MOL the same question, I'm going to toss out what my modest collection of NYCL photos suggests.  Then, hopefully the NYC gurus can set me straight.

1.  Through the 1920s,  I see N.Y.C. (with periods), and both the reporting mark and road number seem to be 9" high.  No lines.  This scheme persists on some older cars until 1935 at least, probably longer.

2.  Starting with new cars in about 1929 (P&LE) or 1930 (NYC), the periods disappear, and the road number is reduced to 7-inch lettering.  This scheme starts to appear on repainted cars shortly thereafter.  Still no lines.

3.  The earliest evidence I have seen of lines above and below this lettering is a photo with a reweigh date of 2-36.

If anybody can refine (or correct) this further, I will greatly appreciate the information.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:58 AM, "bill_stanton60@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
when did nyc drop periods but still had lines above and below "nyc" on boxcars?



Durkees

Charles Peck
 

Quote from another thread:


" have often wondered about El Dorado Oils as, by the early 50's they were
owned by Glidden - as was Durkee (Fine) Foods. Durkee also had a plant in
Berkeley and one of their warehouses was for holding Copra, which I'm led to
understand might have been used for making margarine. At some earlier date
Eldorado Oils were part of the process of making Snowflake detergent.

Was El Dorado Oils still part of the feedstock to some soap plant, feedstock
to Durkee's margarine process, or supplying natural oils to Glidden? Some
or all of the above. Hold on to your hats guys. the Internet DOES NOT have
the answer! What is the world coming to???

Dave Nelson"


I don't know anything about El Dorado Oils but Durkees Famous Foods had

some tank cars for edible oils. Durkees and Glidden were big in soy oils at one time.

I would love to see a photo of a DFFX tank car with the Durkee name on it.

Chuck Peck



Re: Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper

Dave Nelson
 

I have often wondered about El Dorado Oils as, by the early 50's they were
owned by Glidden - as was Durkee (Fine) Foods. Durkee also had a plant in
Berkeley and one of their warehouses was for holding Copra, which I'm led to
understand might have been used for making margarine. At some earlier date
Eldorado Oils were part of the process of making Snowflake detergent.



Was El Dorado Oils still part of the feedstock to some soap plant, feedstock
to Durkee's margarine process, or supplying natural oils to Glidden? Some
or all of the above. Hold on to your hats guys. the Internet DOES NOT have
the answer! What is the world coming to???



Dave Nelson



p.s. it is sad to note that none of the manufacturing plants in west
Oakland, Emeryville, Berkeley, and Richmond, save Standard Oil, remain in
operation. A good 10-15 miles of steam era, rail served plant after plant.
almost all torn down and hardly a manufacturing job anywhere to be seen.

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 12:14 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper



One contributor to the vegetable oils there was El Dorado in Berkeley,
which employed my great-uncle Alfred Aiken Their primary product was
coconut oil from South Seas copra, but they also made palm oil and at least
two other "natural" oils. There happens to be a Wilbur Whittaker photo of
one of their leased tank cars, and I made custom decals to approximately
duplicate it.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com

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Re: Digest Number 10921

towazy
 

Thanks guys! I knew this was the place to go!

I just purchased the Bowser car,will show it to Dad next time I see him. It's painted light grey and numbered SHPX 25878. Some of the pictures I've seen here and online seem to show some cars painted what appears to be black with white lettering. As was stated in some of the posts,there were four? different build lots,so maybe one or more were painted/lettered differently. It won't make a difference to modeling at this point as it has been determinded,by the resources of this list,that the Bowser car is in fact prototypical,hence my going ahead with the purchase.

Thanks again!

Tom

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Thu Jun 8, 2017 7:21 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch
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Thu Jun 8, 2017 7:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Bruce F. Smith" smithbf36832 <mailto:smithbf@auburn.edu?subject=Re%3A%20Photo%20wanted>
Bill,

It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938. He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28). He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:21 AM, fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com<mailto:fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com><mailto:fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com><mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



My Mistake Ben. Have no idea what "Loree-era" means.

Bill Welch




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Thu Jun 8, 2017 8:47 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?

Bill Welch
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Thu Jun 8, 2017 9:17 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom <mailto:b.hom@att.net?subject=Re%3A%20Photo%20wanted>
Bruce Smith wrote:"It’s a D&H thing - Leonor F. Loree was an engineer who was president of the D&H from 1907 to 1938. He was also president of the B&O (1901-04), CRI&P (1904), KCS (1918-1920) and chairman of the MKT (1926-28). He was know for encouraging innovative engineering approaches."
Bill Welch asked:
"Why did he have so much trouble holding a job?"
He didn't.https://archive.org/stream/cyclopaediaofame08wilsuoft#page/n105/mode/2up<http://archive.org/stream/cyclopaediaofame08wilsuoft#page/n105/mode/2up>
Prior to becoming the president of the B&O, Loree spent over 20 years with the Pennsy as a civil engineer and executive. He was a turnaround specialist - an early 20th century version of John Barringer brought in by trustees to turn around troubled railroads. For example, his presidency on the B&O coincided with PRR control of the railroad.
While an innovator, Loree's rolling stock philosophy on the D&H was conservative. The dominate freight power was 2-8-0s with Wooten fireboxes, and the freight car fleet was largely made up of composite designs built in the railroad's own shops. The railroad did experiment during the Depression, converting several "Super Consolidations"; and developing interesting welded single-sheathed and welded side boxcar designs, but it also investigated the use of roller bearings in arch bar trucks. As a result, the D&H rolling stock fleet had a very distinctive look, very few outside designs (USRA twin hoppers and single sheathed boxcars) on the roster before the end of WWII.

Ben Hom
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Thu Jun 8, 2017 9:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Lenoir Loree had no trouble at all in holding a job. He did excellent work, then moved on to another challenge. He was president of the B&O while it was in receivership and under Pennsylvania Railroad control, which was arranged by financier J.P. Morgan. He left when B&O's period in receivership ended.


Loree at the time was a PRR man. He did much to re-build and re-organize the B&O into a stronger, more efficient carrier. It had bankrupted itself in a head-long, spare-no-expense rush to get into the New York freight market in the 1880's-90&#39;s, while neglecting its western lines which were in disrepair and giving poor service.
Loree also updated the aged and obsolete B&O motive power during his time with the company. Some classes of new B&O steam locomotives were built to basic PRR designs, notably with Belpaire fireboxes.


Ed Bommer

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Thu Jun 8, 2017 12:08 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Armand Premo" <mailto:arm.p.prem@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Photo%20wanted>
Not to prolong the agony but , F&C has a great kit of Rutland Hopper
Bottom gons . AFAIK ,I don't think they were used in interchange . Armand
Premo

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:30 PM, edb8391@cox.net<mailto:edb8391@cox.net> [STMFC] <
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Lenoir Loree had no trouble at all in holding a job. He did excellent
work, then moved on to another challenge. He was president of the B&O while
it was in receivership and under Pennsylvania Railroad control, which was
arranged by financier J.P. Morgan. He left when B&O's period in
receivership ended.

Loree at the time was a PRR man. He did much to re-build and
re-organize the B&O into a stronger, more efficient carrier. It had
bankrupted itself in a head-long, spare-no-expense rush to get into the New
York freight market in the 1880's-90&#39;s, while neglecting its western lines
which were in disrepair and giving poor service.
Loree also updated the aged and obsolete B&O motive power during his time
with the company. Some classes of new B&O steam locomotives were built to
basic PRR designs, notably with Belpaire fireboxes.

Ed Bommer


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Thu Jun 8, 2017 7:59 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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/On 6/7/2017 9:56 PM, harperandbrown@gmail.com<mailto:harperandbrown@gmail.com> [STMFC] wrote://
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//The IM Ga-2 model I have has a wood floor with the boards running
the length of the car. Isn't that unusual for car floors?/
I don't know that answer. Would be good to have a photo of the inside
of these cars.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Thu Jun 8, 2017 8:30 am (PDT) . Posted by:
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Jonathan:
Thanks so much for your thorough and detailed narrative about the origins (and later fate) of the CP auto cars.
With my ORERs spanning 1926 to 1945, I had worked out most of what happened to the 600 cars in the 297500 and 297800 series, but you filled in some key details while also shedding light on what, for me, is the "distant future".
One comment concerning the 500 similar cars built in 1921-22 (297000 series). In my 1926 and 1930 ORERs, these too have an IL of 10-0 and a CU FT of 3442. The IL of 10-1 and CU FT of 3471 first appears in my 1935 edition. So, in at least some of the early ORERs, the interior dimensions of the two groups of cars are the same, a possible source of confusion. I would note that the external dimensions are consistently different across the two groups of cars, reflecting their different origins that you enumerate.
Last, just a reminder that there should be a fourth door configuration available (Pierre has promised!): the original 10-0 doors that will be a welcome sight for us pre-1936 modelers.
Thanks again for your efforts here.
Dave ParkerRiverside, CA


On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:47 PM, "'Jonathan McConathy' jothsue@comcast.net<mailto:jothsue@comcast.net> [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:


I hope the group excuses me for not being on the eight-ball with the following information. Having researched (still a work in progress sorting the variations and many subseries reported in ORERs from the 1920s to the 1970s ) CPR’s 1,100, 1920s-built steel frame automobile cars for years now, I want to pass on some of my findings relevant to Yarmouth Model Works’ exquisite new offering. Between late 1923 through 1924, the Canadian Pacific built 600 cars to this design in two orders at the railway’s Angus Shops in Montreal. The 1923-built, 300-car, 297500-297799 series (E.O. 2051) and the 1924-built, 300-car, 297800-298099 series (E.O. 2094) would continue to be listed separately in ensuing ORERs up until sometime in the late 1940s (my insight ends with the July 1947 ORER) . By the April 1951 ORER, the two series had been combined and listed as the single 297500-298099 series. As built, both series were identical, featuring an offset 10’-opening, Murphy X.L.A. roof, 5/5/5 inverted Murphy ends, deep fishbelly centersill, fishbelly sidesill, and arch bar trucks. The car’s interior dimensions: Length- 40'6", Width - 8'6", Height- 10'0".Let me take a moment here to emphasize differences between these cars and an earlier design of CPR steel frame automobile cars, which are often conflated. Between 1921 and 1922, 500 cars were ordered from Angus shops (85 cars built in 1921 [E.O. 1708] were subsequently combined with the 415 ordered in 1922 [E.O. 1954] into a single series 297000-297499). These 500 CPR auto cars featured a Hutchins Dry Lading roof, 5/5/7 (3-panel, top-to-bottom) Murphy ends, straight centersill, Andrews trucks and a distinctive stepped sidesill reinforcement. These cars features nearly identical interior dimensions as those of the 1923-1924 production series, save the height measuring 10’1”. Now, back to the cars pertaining to the kit. During the mid-1930s, hundreds of cars were withdrawn from the two 1923/24 production series, shopped with larger door openings and reassigned to two new subseries described below. All of the remaining cars in the 297500-298099 series retained their 10’ door openings through at-least 1951, but no later than 1954 (my insight ends with 176 cars listed in the April 1951 ORER and does not pick up again until 1954). By the January 1954 ORER, the remaining cars were shopped with 13’-6’ openings and other updates and entered into yet another subseries (see 1950s 297700-297899 subseries). 296800-296899: This 100-car subseries was shopped in 1934 with a 12’ width opening. This required the removal of the second diagonal hat-brace to accommodate the new auxiliary door, which was now wider than the main door. There is no ORER or M.P. 14 data that indicate any other improvements during the remainder of the 1930s, but in later years select cars received brake and truck upgrades. In 1952, 81 of the remaining 97 cars were removed from the 296800 series, shopped and renumbered in the 297300-297399 series and re-built with diagonal panel roofs, steel running boards, A/B brakes (AJAX hand brake), and cast steel frame trucks (if not already improved). The installation of the diagonal panel roof resulted in increased interior height of 10’6”. The remaining cars retained their “as-built” Murphy XLA roofs and were assigned to the 40237-40250 series in 1956 (14 Cars listed in the Oct. 1956 ORER).296300-296599: This 300-car subseries was shopped between 1936 and 1938 with 13’3” doors. The July 1935 ORER recorded 498 cars remaining in the 1923/24 production series equipped with 10’ wide doors, which were becoming quite antiquated as automobile designs grew proportionally larger during the 1930s. Photo evidence confirms that the auxiliary doors on cars with 13’-3” openings abutted the second vertical steel brace and no further because otherwise the auxiliary door would interfere with the grab irons. Canadian Pacific’s 1941 M.P. 14 lists 50 cars from this subseries as having been equipped with cast steel side frames with the other 250 cars presumably retaining their original arch bar trucks. There is no ORER or M.P. 14 data that suggest any other improvements during this period, but in 1950, 200 cars were withdrawn from this series and shopped with diagonal panel roofs, steel running boards, A/B brakes and cast steel frame trucks and renumbered into the 299600-299799 series, leaving just 96 cars in the 296300 subseries. In 1952, 43 of the remaining 95 cars were shopped with the same improvements and entered into the 297400-297448 subseries. In 1956, the remaining cars in the subseries transitioned to the 4XXXX? Series (looking for photos of cars in the 40000-40047 series).Finally, the last CPR series of cars that can be modelled is the short-lived 177-car 297700-297899 subseries, which was created in 1954 and for all intents and purposes, lasted a mere two years (only five remaining in 1956). The 297700 series was drawn from the as-built 1923-1924 production series previously mentioned. It’s also imperative to note that this series’ number range occupies part of the as-built 1923-1924 series’ number range, which by the January 1954 ORER had been abbreviated to 297500-297699 in order to make room for the new series. This series was shopped with a 13’-6” door openings, but according to the Jan.1954, Jan.1955 and Oct.1956 ORERs, this series maintained its as-built Murphy XLA roof, making it a candidate for this kit.To summarize, here are the series that can be modelled (consistent with the unimproved Murphy XLA roof): CP 296800-296899 series with 12” wide door openings: 100 cars in 1934, 97 in 1951, 14 in 1954, and gone by 1956.CP 296300-296599 series with 13’3” wide openings : 32 cars in 1936, 300 in 1938, 296 in 1944, 96 in 1951, 52 in 1954 and 2 in 1956.CP 297700-297899 series with 13’6”openings: 177 cars in 1954, 5 in 1956 and gone by 1958.CP 40237-40250 series, née 1934 296800-296899 series (above) with 12” door openings (15 cars): 14 cars in 1956, still 14 in 1962, 9 in 1964, 4 in 1968 and 2 in 1977. 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when did nyc drop periods but still had lines above and below "nyc" on boxcars?
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I'm working on 4 Hooker tank cars (3 Tangent and one Broadway). Does anyone have color photos that would help in weathering.

I see the modern Hookers cars all the time and they don't have any unique weathering patterns but was wondering if the ones from the Steam era were different and the weathering would help denote the lading similar to modern molten sulfur cars.
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Schuyler-

I have a list of some 130 "Rails and Sails" railroad trading cards. I
don't know the exact date of publication but my recollection would be
sometime between 1953-1956.

The Colgate-Palmolive covered hopper was #2 SHPX 2569.

Charlie Vlk

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LOCOMOTIVE 999 NEW YORK CENTRAL c.1895 (1)

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COVERED HOPPER CAR SHPX (1)

3

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)

4

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FIRST ELECTRIC TYPE NEW YORK CENTRAL RR (1)

5

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DAYLIGHT STREAMLINER SOUTHERN PACIFIC RR (1)

6

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CAMELBACK LOCOMOTIVE CENTRAL RR OF NEW JERSEY (1)

7

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE FRENCH NATIONAL RR (1)

8

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE CHICAGO MILWAUKEE ST.PAUL & PACIFIC RR (1)

9

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STEEL CABOOSE CLINCHFIELD RR (1)

10

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BALLAST DUMP CAR CLKX (1)

11

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STOCK CAR MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)

12

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STEAM TURBINE LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)

13

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THREE DOME TANKCAR SHPX (1)

14

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WOODEN TANK CAR c.1900 (1)

15

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CHLORINE CONTAINER CAR SHPX (1)

16

ENCLOSED CAB LOCOMOTIVE CANADIAN PACIFIC RR (1)

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DEPRESSED CENTER FLAT CAR TPPX (1)

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE NEW ZEALAND GOVERNMENT RR (1)

19

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TANK LOCOMOTIVE BRITISH RR (1)

20

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STEEL BOX CAR PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE MINNEAPOLIS AND ST. LOUIS RR (1)

22

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SHARK NOSE DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)

23

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PCC TROLLEY 1954 (1)

24

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MISSISSIPPI NATCHEZ AND HAMBURG RR c.1838 (1)

25

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NORTH STAR ENGLISH SINGLE WHEELER LOCOMOTIVE c.1850 (1)

26

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DIESEL SWITCHER NATIONAL RR OF MEXICO (1)

27

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RACK-RAIL LOCOMOTIVE MT. WASHINGTON 1870 (1)

28

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE COAL MINING c.1920 (1)

29

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BALLAST HOPPER CAR WESTERN PACIFIC RR (1)

30

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WILLIAM MASON BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1856 (1)

31

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WEDGE SNOW PLOW NEW HAVEN RR (1)

32

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DIESEL STREAMLINER UNION PACIFIC RR (1)

33

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FIRST CONSOLIDATION 2-8-0 LOCOMOTIVE c.1870 (1)

34

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ROTARY SNOW PLOW LONG ISLAND RR (1)

35

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INSPECTION ENGINE LEHIGH VALLEY RR (1)

36

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DIESEL SWITCHER MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)

37

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REFRIGERATOR CAR RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY (1)

38

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PACIFIC TYPE LOCOMOTIVE PENNSYLVANIA RR (1)

39

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE CLIMAX-GEARED c.1910 (1)

40

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HOLMAN'S ABSURDITY EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE c.1897 (1)

41

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FIRST DIESEL CENTRAL RR of NEW JERSEY (1)

42

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DIESEL SWITCHER SOUTHERN PACIFIC RR (1)

43

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WOODEN CABOOSE MISSOURI KANSAS TEXAS LINES (1)

44

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MUDDIGGER BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1844 (1)

45

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SWITCHING ENGINE DIESEL-HYDRAULIC 1954 (1)

46

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BIRNEY TROLLEY CAR SAFETY TYPE c.1925 (1)

47

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FORNEY LOCOMOTIVE NEW YORK ELEVATED c1880 (1)

48

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BAY-WINDOW CABOOSE BALTIMORE AND OHIO (1)

49

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FIRELESS COOKER SWITCHING LOCOMOTIVE c.1912 (1)

50

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ROCKET LOCOMOTIVE ROCK ISLAND RR (1)

51

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GAS TURBINE LOCOMOTIVE UNION PACIFIC RR (1)

52

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)

53

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VISTA DOME COACH BURLINGTON LINES (1)

54

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GAS-ELECTRIC CAR NEW HAVEN RR (1)

55

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YORK BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1831 (1)

56

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GENERAL CIVIL WAR LOCOMOTIVE c.1864 (1)

57

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)

58

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LAFAYETTE BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1837 (1)

59

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SAILING CAR BALTIMORE AND OHIO RR 1830 (1)

60

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STEPHENSON'S ROCKET ENGLISH LOCOMOTIVE 1829 (1)

61

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STREET CAR HORSE DRAWN c.1885 (1)

62

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MCKEEN MOTOR CAR UNION PACIFIC (1)

63

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EDDY CLOCK LOCOMOTIVE BOSTON AND ALBANY RR c.1855 (1)

64

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ONE-DOME TANK CAR SHPX (1)

65

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CASEY JONES LOCOMOTIVE ILLINOIS CENTRAL c.1900 (1)

66

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CABLE CAR SAN FRANCISCO c.1900 (1)

67

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LIVE POULTRY CAR LPTX (1)

68

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)

69

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CROMPTON LOCOMOTIVE CAMDEN AND AMBOY RR c.1849 (1)

70

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ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE NEW HAVEN RR (1)

71

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HORSE TREADMILL CAR BALTIMORE AND OHIO 1830 (1)

72

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8 WHEEL TROLLEY NEW YORK AND QUEENS RR c.1915 (1)

73

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WRECKING CRANE LEHIGH VALLEY RR (1)

74

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WOTTEN CAMELBACK LOCOMOTIVE READING RR 1880 (1)

75

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RAIL DIESEL CAR BUDD COMPANY 1954 (1)

76

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SANDUSKY LOCOMOTIVE MAD RIVER AND LAKE ERIE RR 1837 (1)

77

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OBSERVATION CAR ROCK ISLAND RR (1)

78

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FIRST MOGUL NEW JERSEY RR 1863 (1)

79

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STOURBRIDGE LION STEAM LOCOMOTIVE 1829 (1)

80

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE SHAY-GEARED TYPE c.1905 (1)

81

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SOUTH CAROLINA DOUBLE-ENDER TYPE LOCOMOTIVE 1832 (1)

82

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DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE EGYPTIAN STATE RR (1)

83

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COMMODORE VANDERBILT LOCOMOTIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)

84

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PULPWOOD CAR LOUISIANA AND ARKANSAS RR (1)

85

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20TH CENTURY NEW YORK CENTRAL 1902 (1)

86

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ARTICULATED TYPE LOCOMOTIVE N AND W RR (1)

87

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EARLY SWITCHING ENGINE 0-4-0 TYPE 1866 (1)

88

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ELECTRIC TYPE LOCOMOTIVE GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)

89

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PASSENGER CAR LAKAWANNA RR c.1870 (1)

90

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INCLINE MAUCH CHUNK c.1830 (1)

91

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THEATRICAL CAR PRIVATE OWNER c.1900 (1)

92

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DEMONSTRATION LOCOMOTIVE STEVENS DESIGN 1826 (1)

93

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JOHN BULL LOCOMOTIVE CAMDEN AND AMBOY RR c.1833 (1)

94

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EXPERIMENTAL LOCOMOTIVE FONTAINE DESIGN c.1885 (1)

95

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SWITCHING ENGINE 0-6-0 MISSOURI PACIFIC RR (1)

96

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DINING CAR PENNSYVANIA RR (1)

97

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SUGAR CANE CAR BRAZIL (1)

98

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ORE CAR GREAT NORTHERN RR (1)

99

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AUTOMOBILE BOX CAR NEW YORK CENTRAL RR (1)

100

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PRIVATE CAR DELAWARE AND HUDSON RR c.1865 (1)

101

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JOSHUA RHODES FIRST PORTER LOCOMOTIVE 1866 (1)

102

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STEAM STREAMLINER NEW YORK CENTRALl RR (1)

103

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REFRIGERATOR CAR RAILWAY EXPRESS (1)

104

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THE HIAWATHA - CHICAGO ST PAUL RAND MILWAUKEE RR (1)

105

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NARROW GAUGE SANDY RIVERR RR c.1910 (1)

106

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BEST FRIEND SOUTH CAROLINA RR 1830 (1)

107

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THE PIONEER FIRST CHICAGO LOCOMOTIVE c.1848 (1)

108

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SUBWAY TRAIN NEW YORK CITY (1)

109

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ELECTRIC TYPE ENGINE ITALIAN STATE RR (1)

110

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ELECTRIC TYPE ENGINE NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)

111

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STREAMLINED STEAM LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD (1)

112

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SWITCHER ENGINE 0-8-0 MISSOURI PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)

113

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CAMEL TYPE LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD c.1855 (1)

114

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OLD IRONSIDES FIRST BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE 1832 (1)

115

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GRASSHOPPER TYPE ENGINE 1832 B AND O RAILROAD (1)

116

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MULTIPLE UNIT TRAIN NEW YORK CENTRAL (1)

117

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OPEN END DAY COACH c.1890 D L AND W RAILWAY (1)

118

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ELECTRIC TYPE VIRGINIAN RAILWAY (1)

119

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HIGH-PRESSURE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE D AND H RAILROAD (1)

120

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CAB FORWARD LOCOMOTIVE SOUHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)

121

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ACF TALGO STREAMLINER (1)

122

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE B AND O RAILROAD (1)

123

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RED ARROW EXPRESS SWISS RAILWAYS (1)

124

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MONSTER ENGINE CANDEN AND AMBOY RAILROAD 1869 (1)

125

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STEAM STREAMLINER N AND W RAILROAD (1)

126

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STEAM LOCOMOTIVE UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD (1)

127

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SINGLE WHEELER READING RAILROAD c.1880 (1)

128

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STEEL BOX CAR BAZOOKA BUBBLE GUM (1)

129

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BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE c. 1840 (1)

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 8:09 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Bowser Colgate Palmolive covered hopper

Steve Johnson wrote:

"One of the old Topps railroad trading cards . . . "

Say what? "railroad trading cards?" That's a new one on me. When did
Topps make these?

Schuyler

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"Benjamin Hom" benjaminfrank_hom <mailto:b.hom@att.net?subject=Re%3A%20Bowser%20Colgate%20Palmolive%20covered%20hopper>
Charlie Vlk wrote:
"I have a list of some 130 “Rails and Sails” railroad trading cards. I don’t know the exact date of publication but my recollection would be sometime between 1953-1956."
1955. Here's a complete list:http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewAllSet.cfm/sid/75036?PageIndex=1<http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewAllSet.cfm/sid/75036?PageIndex=1>

Ben Hom

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