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Re: Ratios

Dave Nelson
 

If Tim Gilbert were still with us he’d whip out his set of ICC Blue Books and write 14 pages in one paragraph telling us about steel vs. wood, etc. etc. etc., no doubt managing to toss in ton miles as a necessary unit of measure for something. :-)

 

I could go unearth old ICC documents I have that have pretty much the same thing and if you wanted very specific numbers I could write a bunch of sql queries and get the answers from my ORER database (April 1950)*, but to be frank, I’ve got other things to do than walk over such old ground.

 

Search the archives, my posts or his.

 

 

I opened up this database a couple of weeks ago WRT southeastern hoppers in the SOU Wheel reports… probably the first time in 10 years I’ve looked at it.  It still works.  I had always hoped to put it online, part of the forum I host but w/o a tech admin to help upgrade the board software (a prerequisite)  so no, it hasn’t happened.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Richard Townsend
 

It is a nice looking car in the photos. I am tempted to buy one. Has anyone on this list tried these?
 
I wonder if this (3D printing) is the future of modeling, replacing resin casting. I've heard it said that it is hard to find people who can do good castings. Maybe we will end up replacing the hard-to-find resin casters with hard-to-find 3D designers.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

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Subject: [STMFC] HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

 
Hello Group,

I happened across this seller on Ebay, offering HO scale 3D printed 42' and 46' Rio Grande GS gondolas. Here's a link:


If the link doesn't work, the seller is Bonsall Scale Car Shops. I haven't purchased any of these kits, so I can't comment on the quality, but I know models of these prototypes have been long desired by many folks on this list, and I have not seen them discussed on this list.

They look nice in the pictures, and they are certainly more economical than the W&R model! I wonder if the seller is a member of this list? 

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: What Kind Of Car Is This?

tjcataldo
 

EARLY WINE CARS MAYBE

TOM CATALDO

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This photo is from the Barringer Library, probably pre-1940:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12293135473/in/dateposted/

 

Notice the freight car to the left. It appears to be a flat car with three vertical wooden tanks on it. But maybe it's something else?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



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Re: What Kind Of Car Is This?

Douglas Harding
 

The photo was taken in Fort Madison IA, between 1936-38 according to the captions under the photo. It looks an early oil tank car, but oil shipments had shifted to horizontal tanks long before the time of this photo. It could be a pickle or vinegar car, or as suggested a water car for work crews. Note it is coupled to an early tank car.

Doug Harding


What Kind Of Car Is This?

Andy Carlson
 

Just a WAG...........but the Arrowhead Water Company had quite a fleet of water cars for hauling "Mountain Spring" Arrowhead water from up the mountains above San Bernardino to their bottling plant on Washington Ave in downtown L.A. The trip was usually 100% on P.E. RoW. Arguing against this guess would be the apparent lack of trolley overhead wires.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] What Kind Of Car Is This?

 
This photo is from the Barringer Library, probably pre-1940:
 
 
Notice the freight car to the left. It appears to be a flat car with three vertical wooden tanks on it. But maybe it's something else?
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: What Kind Of Car Is This?

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Lettering is not clear, but it could be a car with tubs to carry potable water for use in an extra gang outfit of camp cars. This type of water car used to be fairly common. Cars could have one, two, or three tubs. If only one or two, they were usually at the ends, where their weight when loaded was supported by the bolster and the truck under them.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 

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From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 12:05 am
Subject: [STMFC] What Kind Of Car Is This?

 
This photo is from the Barringer Library, probably pre-1940:
 
 
Notice the freight car to the left. It appears to be a flat car with three vertical wooden tanks on it. But maybe it's something else?
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: What Kind Of Car Is This?

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Pickle car? Looks rather like the old Tyco car. 

On Jun 13, 2017 21:05, "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This photo is from the Barringer Library, probably pre-1940:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12293135473/in/dateposted/

 

Notice the freight car to the left. It appears to be a flat car with three vertical wooden tanks on it. But maybe it's something else?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Robert Heninger
 

Hello Group,


I happened across this seller on Ebay, offering HO scale 3D printed 42' and 46' Rio Grande GS gondolas. Here's a link:


http://www.ebay.com/sch/bonsallscalecarshops/m.html?item=232371077764&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


If the link doesn't work, the seller is Bonsall Scale Car Shops. I haven't purchased any of these kits, so I can't comment on the quality, but I know models of these prototypes have been long desired by many folks on this list, and I have not seen them discussed on this list.


They look nice in the pictures, and they are certainly more economical than the W&R model! I wonder if the seller is a member of this list? 


Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND



What Kind Of Car Is This?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo is from the Barringer Library, probably pre-1940:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12293135473/in/dateposted/

 

Notice the freight car to the left. It appears to be a flat car with three vertical wooden tanks on it. But maybe it's something else?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Jim Hayes
 

I used the 8K acid tank.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Jim

Which Tangent tank car frame did you use?

Tim O'Connor


I just matched a partially assembled Tangent tank car with a Red Caboose Undec 10K tank car kit. The Red Caboose tank is a perfect match to the Tangent frame. The bolster to bolster length is the same. In fact the truck screws on the Tangent will screw directly into the existing holes in the bottom of the Red Caboose tank.

The existing Red Caboose dome is 60". The dome on the CSC tank in the picture might be the same. The major item we still need is DECALS.

Jim



Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes, please. I am a novice at such and need to build a depot!

 

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] YVRR layout video on YouTube...

 

 

The videographers who shot the layout video are looking for other related videos from me. I have been doing SketchUp/3D printing clinics for a couple of years now at regional and national NMRA conventions as well as RPM meets at Naperville and Cocoa Beach. Those clinics are designed to illustrate how to get started in using SketchUp and 3D printing. If there is enough interest, this subject will move up on their priority list…

Jack

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] YVRR layout video on YouTube...

I would like to see a video for others can get started in 3d train modeling jack you know how can you post a you tube video?

On Tuesday, June 13, 2017, gtws00@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Jack,

What an amazing layout. The Scenery is outstanding. I was impressed that all the Structures appear to actually be on foundations or timbers. I can say that for your modeling of freight cars and track work as well. Love the animations for the signals and water spout.

I have a question on 3D printing. Is Sketchup still available. I thought I heard the free version is gone?

Thanks for sharing

George Tpman

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Re: Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

Which Tangent tank car frame did you use?

Tim O'Connor


I just matched a partially assembled Tangent tank car with a Red Caboose Undec 10K tank car kit. The Red Caboose tank is a perfect match to the Tangent frame. The bolster to bolster length is the same. In fact the truck screws on the Tangent will screw directly into the existing holes in the bottom of the Red Caboose tank.

The existing Red Caboose dome is 60". The dome on the CSC tank in the picture might be the same. The major item we still need is DECALS.

Jim


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

Jack Burgess
 

The videographers who shot the layout video are looking for other related videos from me. I have been doing SketchUp/3D printing clinics for a couple of years now at regional and national NMRA conventions as well as RPM meets at Naperville and Cocoa Beach. Those clinics are designed to illustrate how to get started in using SketchUp and 3D printing. If there is enough interest, this subject will move up on their priority list…



Jack



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I would like to see a video for others can get started in 3d train modeling jack you know how can you post a you tube video?





On Tuesday, June 13, 2017, gtws00@yahoo.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Jack,

What an amazing layout. The Scenery is outstanding. I was impressed that all the Structures appear to actually be on foundations or timbers. I can say that for your modeling of freight cars and track work as well. Love the animations for the signals and water spout.

I have a question on 3D printing. Is Sketchup still available. I thought I heard the free version is gone?



Thanks for sharing



George Tpman



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Re: Ratios

Tim O'Connor
 


That's one strategy. Another is to maintain an off-layout "stage" of extra
cars and figure out how to randomize the use of all of the cars, so you don't
have the same cars all the time on the layout.

Tim O'Connor




I had far too many freight cars when I finished building my layout.  I measured each siding, including the yard tracks and figured out how many forty-foot cars would fit onto those tracks.  Then I divided that number by two which gave me the maximum number of cars that could be on the layout at any time.  This prevents gridlock and makes plenty of room to actually operate the layout.  After that I looked at the industries on the layout to determine what kind of freight cars I needed to service those industries.  I immediately eliminated refrigerator cars because there was no place to deliver them.  I have a coal mine that can handle nine cars so I needed eighteen hopper cars divided between loads and empties.  Flat cars are not really needed either so I have only a couple.  The time frame is 1953 so no cars have build or reweigh dates later than 1953.  The layout is set in northwestern Pennsylvania so the emphasis is on eastern roads although, because there is a lumber yard, a few western and Canadian boxcars are occasionally used for lumber traffic.  I still have too many cars and will sell off some more sooner or later.  No point in having them sit on boxes on shelves when someone else might enjoy having them.  Hugh t Guillaume


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

Jack Burgess
 

Thanks George.



No, the free version of SketchUp in still available. But they don’t make it easy to find it. Go to my website at



www.yosemitevalleyrr.com



and click on Clinics. My clinic handout on that link provides detailed information on how to download the free version plus all of the notes from my SketchUp/3D printing clinics. If you have any questions, let me know.



Jack



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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 6:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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Jack,

What an amazing layout. The Scenery is outstanding. I was impressed that all the Structures appear to actually be on foundations or timbers. I can say that for your modeling of freight cars and track work as well. Love the animations for the signals and water spout.

I have a question on 3D printing. Is Sketchup still available. I thought I heard the free version is gone?



Thanks for sharing



George Tpman










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

tjcataldo
 

I would like to see a video for others can get started  in 3d train modeling jack you know how can you post a you tube video?



On Tuesday, June 13, 2017, gtws00@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Jack, 

What an amazing layout. The Scenery is outstanding. I was impressed that all the Structures appear to actually be on foundations or timbers. I can say that for your modeling of freight cars and track work as well. Love the animations for the signals and water spout. 
I have a question on 3D printing. Is Sketchup still available. I thought I heard the free version is gone?

Thanks for sharing 

George Tpman



--
Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

gtws00
 

Jack, 
What an amazing layout. The Scenery is outstanding. I was impressed that all the Structures appear to actually be on foundations or timbers. I can say that for your modeling of freight cars and track work as well. Love the animations for the signals and water spout. 
I have a question on 3D printing. Is Sketchup still available. I thought I heard the free version is gone?

Thanks for sharing 

George Tpman


Re: Ratios

 

I had far too many freight cars when I finished building my layout.  I measured each siding, including the yard tracks and figured out how many forty-foot cars would fit onto those tracks.  Then I divided that number by two which gave me the maximum number of cars that could be on the layout at any time.  This prevents gridlock and makes plenty of room to actually operate the layout.  After that I looked at the industries on the layout to determine what kind of freight cars I needed to service those industries.  I immediately eliminated refrigerator cars because there was no place to deliver them.  I have a coal mine that can handle nine cars so I needed eighteen hopper cars divided between loads and empties.  Flat cars are not really needed either so I have only a couple.  The time frame is 1953 so no cars have build or reweigh dates later than 1953.  The layout is set in northwestern Pennsylvania so the emphasis is on eastern roads although, because there is a lumber yard, a few western and Canadian boxcars are occasionally used for lumber traffic.  I still have too many cars and will sell off some more sooner or later.  No point in having them sit on boxes on shelves when someone else might enjoy having them.  Hugh t Guillaume


Re: Ratios

Aley, Jeff A
 

Armand,

 

                Unless I am mistaken, you have a very nice collection of Rutland wheel reports / conductor’s books.  So perhaps your problem is really one of “how do I selectively compress my fleet”?

 

                Others have written about how to select the ROADNAMES for a fleet, and I think you should also have no problem selecting the ratio of reefers to tank cars, etc.

 

                The problem gets a lot more complicated when you want to maintain a ratio of single-sheathed boxcars vs double-sheathed vs steel.  How many of the steel cars are PS-1’s vs X29 “clones”?  In this case, I personally would err on the side of “what is easily modeled”.  If I need a single Maine Central boxcar, I’m going to see which of their cars is most easily modeled, which may not be their most common car.

 

                I also happen to know that Armand is a much better modeler than I am, so perhaps he’ll pick the most obscure MEC boxcar, just for the challenge of scratchbuilding it.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Ratios

 

 

I have had a major problem dealing with ratios .Considering the number of variables  that affect a relatively accurate of freight car distribution  i.e. Date ; Region ; Railroad.I have a relatively large roster  ,but have been troubled that I didn't have an  accurate distribution ,by car  type i.e wood vs steel  ,Reefer vs Box car  etcI ,etc ,etc .I would like to hear from others on how they deal with prototype practices ..Armand Premo


Re: Ratios

O Fenton Wells
 

Brian you da man


On Jun 13, 2017, at 1:32 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Exactly, Tony. I try to be correct, but sometimes you see something and just have to have it.

Thanks!
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Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 at 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ratios

BRIAN EHNI wrote:

It’s my railroad.

Brian cites the familiar "Rule No. 1" employed by many modelers. But as Tony Koester often says, if you hide behind Rule No. 1 all the time, you are confessing that you aren't really trying to model anything specific. That's a perfectly fine hobby, but it's not modeling real railroading. I think if you use the context right (as I believe Brian does), Rule No. 1 only says "I get to choose my prototype and era," but I would say, "beware of using Rule No. 1 for everything."

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