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Re: String Of New Boxcars

tjcataldo
 

the photo needs to be flip

    tom

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 9:36 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

From the Barringer Library (image reversed):

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296626883/in/dateposted/

 

Viewer Comment: "Michigan City, Ind (Monon on left, MC on right) - New USNX boxcars from the Pullman plant".

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




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Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Tom Madden
 

---In STMFC@..., <gn2059@...> wrote :
> Tom, are you following this discussion and would you care to comment?
> I hope I haven't mischaracterized your comments. It's been a couple of
> years since we talked about this subject.


Decent looking models. The sidewalls, including the sloped ones, look smooth. Surface detail is nicely done although, as others have noted, the free-standing elements are a bit heavy. The relatively fine detail on the sides suggests that the coarseness of the steps and brake rod is due to material properties and not the print resolution. That is, they would be too fragile if rendered closer to scale. It also looks like he has designed webs connecting the lower portions of the side stakes and the operating rods to the sloped portion of the body, another indication that the material isn't strong enough for such parts to survive much handling if they were made free-standing. A good layout model from the looks of it, though, with some parts represented rather than modeled.


Some 3D printing materials are notoriously unstable, some are brittle, and some are both. But some are neither. Parts made by fused deposition (the hobby-type filament printers and their commercial brethren) and laser-sintered nylon (Shapeways Strong and Flexible material) are ready to use. Those gons don't have the layering associated with FD parts, nor the granular structure of LS parts, but without knowing what material he's using it's hard to comment on long term stability.


The seller has been on eBay since 2002 but has only 56 feedback comments, all positive. Only three of those are as a seller, and those are all quite recent. Looks to be on the up and up. Remember that the journey to ready-to-use 3D printed models is just that - a journey. With many steps along the way. This appears to be one of those steps.


Tom Madden


Re: Accurail 36' boxcars

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Accurail used to have a page on their website that listed the paints that they used. They give a mix for some of their colors on their website (under FAQ) but they discontinued the listing when they went to custom mixed paints when Testors quit the model railroad market.
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 10:00 AM, "Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Jon:

I'm working on the same car.  My holdover Poly Scale Mineral Red is pretty close, but a tad dark.  I may try lightening it with a drop of white.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 9:45 AM, "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

    Have a Nickel Plate (#1302) and wonder what a matching paint would be for the brake shaft/wheel?
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For me time stopped in 1941
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SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS





Re: Ratios

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I think it is highly variable, based on the location. In the 1960's the
two PRR branchlines near my home in NJ saw a wide variety of freight cars,
especially food, beverages and lumber from the western US. And seasonally
there were special shipments, like refrigerator cars. I lived across the
river from Philadelphia, a huge destination for freight, so the variety
is not surprising.

Tim O'




   Over the years, working railroaders have often pointed out that a local train crew, when coming on duty, could take one look at their train and know where most of the cars were going. So "repeats" of the kind Jim mentions are actually good, IMO.

Tony Thompson  


Re: Accurail 36' boxcars

Dave Parker
 

Jon:

I'm working on the same car.  My holdover Poly Scale Mineral Red is pretty close, but a tad dark.  I may try lightening it with a drop of white.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 9:45 AM, "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]"


 

    Have a Nickel Plate (#1302) and wonder what a matching paint would be for the brake shaft/wheel?
--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


The Union Pacific and Southern Pacific also bought 46 foot, 70 ton GS gondolas
but much later - in the 1950's. All of them operated into California via the LA&SL,
SP, and WP. The Santa Fe also had large GS gondolas but they followed the "Caswell"
style of construction.

Tim O'Connor




I remember seeing these cars in an article by Richard H. (I think) about GS gondolas and thinking they looking comparatively massive. especially the longer one. Is it reasonable to say these would have been rare east of the Mississippi River? Can someone offer more details about these cars and their use by the D&RGW?

It seems like it would be pretty easy to print this w/o so many of the details like grabs, sill steps, brake parts, door hardware, etc.

Bill Welch


Re: String Of New Boxcars

 

Note that the photo is reversed.





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Subject: [STMFC] String Of New Boxcars





From the Barringer Library (image reversed):



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296626883/in/dateposted/



Viewer Comment: "Michigan City, Ind (Monon on left, MC on right) - New USNX boxcars from the Pullman plant".



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Accurail 36' boxcars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 


    Have a Nickel Plate (#1302) and wonder what a matching paint would be for the brake shaft/wheel?
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


String Of New Boxcars

thecitrusbelt@...
 

From the Barringer Library (image reversed):

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296626883/in/dateposted/

 

Viewer Comment: "Michigan City, Ind (Monon on left, MC on right) - New USNX boxcars from the Pullman plant".

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: What Kind Of Car Is This?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The notes for the photo say the photo was taken at Fort Madison, IA. The train supposedly is the Santa Fe's Navajo.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: YVRR layout video on YouTube...

tjcataldo
 

hello jack

 I was look at your tool link alot dont link any more here that you might know
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/index.php?cPath=21

   tom cataldo

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:58 AM, 'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Last month, a two-person crew from TSG Media videoed my layout in High-def over several days. The video follows a freight train (required freight car stuff) from Merced to El Portal. It has now been uploaded to YouTube at

 

https://youtu.be/EHGkZHLqALY

 

Jack Burgess




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Thomas  j Cataldo


Re: Ratios

Tony Thompson
 

In a longer comment, Jim Betz wrote:

2) Cars/trains that 'always' go to the same industry/yard and
become 'recognizable' over time. (Also swap out the power
used for a particular train once in a while, same for cabeese.)


   Over the years, working railroaders have often pointed out that a local train crew, when coming on duty, could take one look at their train and know where most of the cars were going. So "repeats" of the kind Jim mentions are actually good, IMO.

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Re: Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Jim Hayes
 

That's great. Now I've got a Red Caboose tank, the parts for the frame are available from Tangent, and the decals will be coming. Anything else I should know that's not visible in the picture? I'd better start looking at my Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Volume Two: Tank Cars.

Jim


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:11 AM, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I'm working on those decals... Sheesh, I just posed the initial query less than a week ago!



Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Jack Burgess
 

Since they are black, I suspect that he is casting his own cars at home. Hence the crude look. If he was using Shapeways and having them made in Frosted Ultra Detail, they would be translucent and the detail would be much finer.

Jack Burgess

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For $65 they are awfully crude. That brake chain (?) looks like it’s a foot thick (yes, I’m exaggerating).





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Brian Ehni



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It is a nice looking car in the photos. I am tempted to buy one. Has anyone on this list tried these?



I wonder if this (3D printing) is the future of modeling, replacing resin casting. I've heard it said that it is hard to find people who can do good castings. Maybe we will end up replacing the hard-to-find resin casters with hard-to-find 3D designers.



Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR





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Subject: [STMFC] HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas



Hello Group,



I happened across this seller on Ebay, offering HO scale 3D printed 42' and 46' Rio Grande GS gondolas. Here's a link:



http://www.ebay.com/sch/bonsallscalecarshops/m.html?item=232371077764&;rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562



If the link doesn't work, the seller is Bonsall Scale Car Shops. I haven't purchased any of these kits, so I can't comment on the quality, but I know models of these prototypes have been long desired by many folks on this list, and I have not seen them discussed on this list.



They look nice in the pictures, and they are certainly more economical than the W&R model! I wonder if the seller is a member of this list?



Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND







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Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Robert Heninger
 

I agree about the coarse details, but if I were modeling the D&RGW and needed dozens of them, I might think otherwise. The pictures of the finished model do look nice in the context of a finished scene.


One other thought I had was in regards to the long term dimensional stability of the model. I recall a discussion with Tom Madden at Cocoa Beach about this subject, and his opinion at the time was that 3D printing (rapid prototyping was the original term for the process, IIRC) was best used as a master to make a mold from which resin cars could be cast, as the 3D printed parts were prone to warping, etc. However, processes are continuously improved, especially in an emerging technology such as this one, so perhaps this is no longer a valid concern.


Tom, are you following this discussion and would you care to comment? I hope I haven't mischaracterized your comments. It's been a couple of years since we talked about this subject.


As far as the general applicability of GS gondolas to STMFC modelers, I've seen photos of IC gons in Washington state loaded with lumber, the Emil Strack photos on SmugMug show numerous instances of GS gons with lumber, and the GNRHS published a reference sheet years back pertaining to the GN's GS gondolas, and it made mention of a GN memo tracking the location of GN's GS fleet, which was scattered all over the country. The D&RGW gons often show up in pictures of GN trains in Washington, often with coal loads visible, so I can easily see how an empty gon could be confiscated and loaded with lumber on the GN for points all over the country.


Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND


Re: Ratios

Jim Betz
 

Armand,

First select the cars that will service your -on layout- industries.
Usually that will be about twice as many cars as you have car
spots (for empties in/loads out or vice versa).
Second select the cars that you will use as 'alternates' for those
selected in the first step (for variety over time).
Third select cars for run thru service (the cars in the second set
can be part of these).
NOW - apply your Ratios to adjust the overall layout fleet. If you
still have a lot of cars left over then they can be stored to be used
to swap (again to provide variety over time).

Don't forget to consider the "quality" of the cars you select.
Everybody oohs and aahs about layouts where "all of the cars
looked like museum quality/contest winners".

There are some errors in "car fleet decisions" that I notice the
most (as being "common" problems):

1) Too many home road cars. "I'm a Santa Fe modeler - so I'm
going to run almost all Santa Fe cars."

2) Cars/trains that 'always' go to the same industry/yard and
become 'recognizable' over time. (Also swap out the power
used for a particular train once in a while, same for cabeese.)

3) Too many cars that are "exceptions" - cars the owner fell in
love with and justified with the "it's my RR" rule (over used).

4) Too many cars that are exceptions simply due to the
stated era/date for the layout ... such as cars that would
have been seen in that era - but there are too many of them.
(For instance cars that are older. Same thing for cars that
would have been seen - but not in high numbers because
that particular car type/model was introduced only a few
years before the layout's date.)

5) Cars with paint/lettering schemes that don't fit the stated
era/theme. This is actually quite common - for foreign
road cars that the layout owner isn't up on the nuances
of those other roads. I'm a GN guy - I frequently see GN
cars on layouts that say "this is 1953" ... but there are
GN cars that are wearing paint/lettering schemes that
'weren't invented yet'.

Don't be too enslaved by the concept of ratios. Yes those
ratios existed and were real. But on any one day, on any one
railroad, on any one train ... you would rarely get those ratios
if you simply counted the cars and did the math.
In fact, as long as you don't fall into one of the traps above
(especially #1) and your cars are appropriate for era ... your
crews/visitors won't notice.
But they will notice if they keep delivering the same car
to the same industry every op session.

One last comment - I've operated on a lot of layouts that
were too crowded (had too many cars and trains and tried
to run too many trains in a session). I can't remember
ever saying to myself "this layout needs about 20% more"
(cars/trains) ... there's a lesson to be learned here. *G*
The same can be said of the number of operators - with
the exception that you do have times when "you hold an
Op session and nobody showed up". ;-)

Always go to actual photographs as your guide!
- Jim B.


Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Bill Welch
 

I remember seeing these cars in an article by Richard H. (I think) about GS gondolas and thinking they looking comparatively massive. especially the longer one. Is it reasonable to say these would have been rare east of the Mississippi River? Can someone offer more details about these cars and their use by the D&RGW?

It seems like it would be pretty easy to print this w/o so many of the details like grabs, sill steps, brake parts, door hardware, etc.

Bill Welch


Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

 

For $65 they are awfully crude. That brake chain (?) looks like it’s a foot thick (yes, I’m exaggerating).





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



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Date: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 at 12:50 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas





It is a nice looking car in the photos. I am tempted to buy one. Has anyone on this list tried these?



I wonder if this (3D printing) is the future of modeling, replacing resin casting. I've heard it said that it is hard to find people who can do good castings. Maybe we will end up replacing the hard-to-find resin casters with hard-to-find 3D designers.



Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

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Sent: Tue, Jun 13, 2017 9:09 pm
Subject: [STMFC] HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas



Hello Group,



I happened across this seller on Ebay, offering HO scale 3D printed 42' and 46' Rio Grande GS gondolas. Here's a link:



http://www.ebay.com/sch/bonsallscalecarshops/m.html?item=232371077764&;rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562



If the link doesn't work, the seller is Bonsall Scale Car Shops. I haven't purchased any of these kits, so I can't comment on the quality, but I know models of these prototypes have been long desired by many folks on this list, and I have not seen them discussed on this list.



They look nice in the pictures, and they are certainly more economical than the W&R model! I wonder if the seller is a member of this list?



Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND







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Re: Help on tank colors - GATX 68508

Ted Culotta
 

I'm working on those decals... Sheesh, I just posed the initial query less than a week ago!


Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Ted Culotta
 

I like the detail, but hate the "printed on" grabs and brake gear. I emailed the seller to inquire about running them sans those details as the rest looks quite good.

Ted Culotta

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