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new book from OpSIG

Tony Thompson
 

Doubtless many of you already know about this, but the Operations Special Interest Group or OpSIG has just published a sizable book about model railroad operations, including a whole chapter about freight car operations and forwarding. I think it's a terrific piece of work, with chapters from a who's who on the topics of the individual chapters. I've written a brief review of the book for my blog. If you're interested, here is the link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-excellent-new-opsig-book.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Amoco Tank

Dave Parker
 

Dean:

Can you provide the page number for the car in question so we don't have to flip through the whole book?

Thanks,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:19 AM, "Dean Kinzley dean.kinzley@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I am a bit of a novice so the following are likely novice questions:  In the Speedwitch Freight Cars Ref Manuel, V 2, there is a photo of an Amoco tank AMOX 1799 which looks like it could be represented by Tichy tank kit #4020 and, if it could, is there a source for the decals?  Thanks.

Dean




Resinating Next Week at the Collinsville RPM

Bill Welch
 

If you enjoy building Resin Kits or want to know more about this aspect of the hobby please join other Resinators at 11 AM on Saturday June 24 to meet each other and talk about what we enjoy doing so much. Those of you with a project you are especially interested in are encouraged to bring drawings, photos, etc. to discuss your project and to see if those present can help you bring it to fruition.


We have a room and assume it will be ID'ed on the schedule.


Bill Welch



Lowered Car End Reporting Marks

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This print is backwards but if you enlarge it you can make out that the car end reporting marks for this C&O boxcar are nowhere near the top of the car, probably due to the lack of space for a stencil:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12308079794/in/dateposted/

 

Was this at all common?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Amoco Tank

Dean Kinzley
 

I am a bit of a novice so the following are likely novice questions:  In the Speedwitch Freight Cars Ref Manuel, V 2, there is a photo of an Amoco tank AMOX 1799 which looks like it could be represented by Tichy tank kit #4020 and, if it could, is there a source for the decals?  Thanks.

Dean


TLT Klasing handbrake

Eric Mumper
 

Group,


The True Line Trains website does not appear to have been updated in the recent past and I missed out on the Klasing 626 handbrake when it came out.  Would anybody have 2 or 3 of them they would be willing to part with?  (And by 2 or 3, I mean individual parts, not pack of 6.  Although I would buy a single pack if that is available.)  Thanks.


Eric Mumper

eric dot mumper at gmail.com


Re: BAR ex-MDT Reefer Decals from Tichy & Placards

Tim O'Connor
 


Those are not the first on the market, but Tony is correct, the hazmat codes
began in 1975. Too modern for 1971 modelers as well.

Tim O'Connor




He also has set of Warning Placards: https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/all-roads/p/10259-6-hazard-placards-170-pcs-decal-6-sets1/Default.aspx

   These Tichy placards are awfully modern for our list.

Tony Thompson


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Doug;

Hundman told me the same thing that Steve was told by RMC. I hold the rights to my article to publish again.

The compressing of said article and miniscule photos were what gave birth to TKM, but that is another story.......

Elden Gatwood

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Nelson, that is good news. It sounds like the WhiteRiver Publications and the new RMC has taken a new position on the matter of who owns submitted material. Of course that is their position. It does not answer Greg Martin's question. Does anyone know what Hundman's policy was?

Doug Harding


Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


My bad. They were 41 foot cars. UP class G-70-5. The SP cars were only
50 ton, G-50-28. Why the SP opted for 50 ton cars so late seems odd... they
were certainly built more ruggedly than the previous GS gons.

Tim


      The only SP GS cars in the late 1950s were wood-chip cars, much deeper than what we would think of as GS gons, though they did indeed have drop bottom doors. I'm not aware of UP being 46-foot GS gons either, though I'm not a UP freight car expert.
       Tim, what kind of cars did you  mean?

Tony Thompson


Re: Ratios

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

And how is that not highly variable from place to place?

i.e. some places you see the same stuff over and over. other places
you rarely see the same cars. and some places it's seasonal, or periodic.





Or not, Tim.  Some (OMG!) 32 years ago, I did an architectural project for
an engineering firm in Waltham MA.  Their facility was next to a steel
fabricators shop.  Every week, they would get the exact same gon full of
steel shapes delivered.  Evidently, the car was in some sort of captive
service.  I took particular note of the car because it was an EL gon, and as
an ERIE/EL modeler, well, I wanted to take photos - but the company had a
track that went inside their building, out of view.  I never did get a shot
of it.

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [ mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:06 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ratios

 

 

Tony

I think it is highly variable, based on the location. In the 1960's the
two PRR branchlines near my home in NJ saw a wide variety of freight cars,
especially food, beverages and lumber from the western US. And seasonally
there were special shipments, like refrigerator cars. I lived across the
river from Philadelphia, a huge destination for freight, so the variety
is not surprising.

Tim O'


Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Douglas Harding
 

Nelson, that is good news. It sounds like the WhiteRiver Publications and the new RMC has taken a new position on the matter of who owns submitted material. Of course that is their position. It does not answer Greg Martin's question. Does anyone know what Hundman's policy was?
 
Doug Harding


Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Nelson Moyer
 

I ask Stephen Priest about copyright issues with the new RMC. Did sighing his release mean I was transferring copyright to them, and said " just the opposite, you're allowing us to publish your material".  I interpreted that to mean I retain control of my work.

Nelson Moyer

On Jun 15, 2017, at 7:35 AM, 'Doug Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Greg did you retain copyright of your articles that Hundman published? If not, and you were compensated, they are most likely the property of the publisher, and by transfer, thus property of the C&OHS.

While I did not write anything for Hundman, and do not know his author agreements, I did write for Railroad Model Craftsman when published by Carstens Publications INC. I recall the checks from Carstens had a clause on the back stating when I endorsed the check (ie to cash/deposit) I was signing over ownership of the article. This meant Carstens could do anything they wanted, including reprinting/publishing, and I could not prevent them. At the time Bill Schaumburg advised me to retain copyright of my material by including a copyright notation on all work submitted. This permits me to use my work as I wish.

I think this practice is pretty standard in the publishing world. I undertand Kalmbach "buys" articles, and sometimes they sit for years before getting published, if ever. By paying for the article, Kalmbach becomes the owner and the author is prevented from publishing elsewhere.

Perhaps someone in the publishing industry or legal field can speak more directly to this matter. But if you did not retain copyright, you may not have control over material Hundman Publishing printed. That is my understanding.

Doug Harding


Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Douglas Harding
 

Greg did you retain copyright of your articles that Hundman published? If not, and you were compensated, they are most likely the property of the publisher, and by transfer, thus property of the C&OHS.

While I did not write anything for Hundman, and do not know his author agreements, I did write for Railroad Model Craftsman when published by Carstens Publications INC. I recall the checks from Carstens had a clause on the back stating when I endorsed the check (ie to cash/deposit) I was signing over ownership of the article. This meant Carstens could do anything they wanted, including reprinting/publishing, and I could not prevent them. At the time Bill Schaumburg advised me to retain copyright of my material by including a copyright notation on all work submitted. This permits me to use my work as I wish.

I think this practice is pretty standard in the publishing world. I undertand Kalmbach "buys" articles, and sometimes they sit for years before getting published, if ever. By paying for the article, Kalmbach becomes the owner and the author is prevented from publishing elsewhere.

Perhaps someone in the publishing industry or legal field can speak more directly to this matter. But if you did not retain copyright, you may not have control over material Hundman Publishing printed. That is my understanding.

Doug Harding


Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Dave Nelson
 

It would be awfully nice if he were to draw what’s on the original drawings – stuff like dimensions and/or steel shape and weight -- instead of assuming everything was going to be used exactly as he made models – sheet of paper with un-dimensioned drawing at HO scale where one lays out styrene of the approximate size – or oversize -- for gluing.  As they were done all of his drawings – and most in MM from others -- are without value to me and in all likelihood w/o value for anyone trying to make something at Shapeways.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:48 PM

Bob Hundman is currently working with the C&O Historical Society updating his older drawings and adding new ones.  Bob still lives out west.  Bob doesn't use his PC much if at all.  He still uses vellum and ink at 1/2" to the foot for drawings.  Contact C&OHS at 540-862-2210 to find out how to contact Bob.

 

Al Kresse


Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

Greg Martin
 

I would hope that they would not allow any republishing of any of my work with out written permission and they will not use my byline without permission.
 
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 6/14/2017 8:16:23 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

All rights to Mainline Modeler prints and articles belong to the C&O T&HS.  I secured rights to one drawing for a donation of $25.



On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:52 PM, "Al Kresse water.kresse@... et [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob Hundman is currently working with the C&O Historical Society updating his older drawings and adding new ones.  Bob still lives out west.  Bob doesn't use his PC much if at all.  He still uses vellum and ink at 1/2" to the foot for drawings.  Contact C&OHS at 540-862-2210 to find out how to contact Bob.

Al Kresse
On June 14, 2017 at 4:48 PM "David Turner spsrwyfan@... [STMFC]" wrote:

 
Has any one had experience lately with obtaining permission from
Mainline Modeler/Hundman Publishing to reprint an article from the magazine?

If so, what is the contact information you used ask them?

Thank you for any assistance.

Best regards,

David Turner

Keeping the S. P. & S. Ry. alive in Santa Rosa, California


 



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Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Robert kirkham
 

Bill said:

 

It seems like it would be pretty easy to print this w/o so many of the details like grabs, sill steps, brake parts, door hardware, etc.

 

I agree.  If I needed one of these I’d ask the modeller to remove those parts from the print file, so they could be added as details.  Modifying a 3d drawing to eliminate details is usually not a lot of work, depending on the drawing software, methods and knowledge of the drawer.

 

Rob Kirkham

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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:17 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

 



I remember seeing these cars in an article by Richard H. (I think) about GS gondolas and thinking they looking comparatively massive. especially the longer one. Is it reasonable to say these would have been rare east of the Mississippi River? Can someone offer more details about these cars and their use by the D&RGW?

 

It seems like it would be pretty easy to print this w/o so many of the details like grabs, sill steps, brake parts, door hardware, etc.

 

Bill Welch





Re: HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas

Robert kirkham
 

The material looks like Shapeways hi-definition acrylic: https://www.shapeways.com/materials/high-definition-acrylate

A reasonably nice material for HO scale parts; I did a set of murphy car ends using this - took paint well. The trouble is that the material won't print in small cross sections, so fine details are out. I wanted some working switch stands from the material, but had to bulk them up so many times the thickness of proto-dimensions I gave up. The car ends have cupped a bit over time, but always bend back into the flat shape they should be. Glued in place and painted, they blend with styrene and hold their shape. I think it offers interesting opportunities for HO trucks, btw, because it is very strong, but the course details and the cupping both worry me.

Rob Kirkham

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Since they are black, I suspect that he is casting his own cars at home. Hence the crude look. If he was using Shapeways and having them made in Frosted Ultra Detail, they would be translucent and the detail would be much finer.

Jack Burgess

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For $65 they are awfully crude. That brake chain (?) looks like it’s a foot thick (yes, I’m exaggerating).





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni



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It is a nice looking car in the photos. I am tempted to buy one. Has anyone on this list tried these?



I wonder if this (3D printing) is the future of modeling, replacing resin casting. I've heard it said that it is hard to find people who can do good castings. Maybe we will end up replacing the hard-to-find resin casters with hard-to-find 3D designers.



Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR





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Subject: [STMFC] HO scale 3D printed D&RGW gondolas



Hello Group,



I happened across this seller on Ebay, offering HO scale 3D printed 42' and 46' Rio Grande GS gondolas. Here's a link:



http://www.ebay.com/sch/bonsallscalecarshops/m.html?item=232371077764&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562



If the link doesn't work, the seller is Bonsall Scale Car Shops. I haven't purchased any of these kits, so I can't comment on the quality, but I know models of these prototypes have been long desired by many folks on this list, and I have not seen them discussed on this list.



They look nice in the pictures, and they are certainly more economical than the W&R model! I wonder if the seller is a member of this list?



Regards,

Bob Heninger

Minot, ND







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Re: Mainline Modeler - Hundman Publishing

richard glueck
 

All rights to Mainline Modeler prints and articles belong to the C&O T&HS.  I secured rights to one drawing for a donation of $25.



On Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:52 PM, "Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob Hundman is currently working with the C&O Historical Society updating his older drawings and adding new ones.  Bob still lives out west.  Bob doesn't use his PC much if at all.  He still uses vellum and ink at 1/2" to the foot for drawings.  Contact C&OHS at 540-862-2210 to find out how to contact Bob.

Al Kresse
On June 14, 2017 at 4:48 PM "David Turner spsrwyfan@... [STMFC]" wrote:

 
Has any one had experience lately with obtaining permission from
Mainline Modeler/Hundman Publishing to reprint an article from the magazine?

If so, what is the contact information you used ask them?

Thank you for any assistance.

Best regards,

David Turner

Keeping the S. P. & S. Ry. alive in Santa Rosa, California


 



Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: String Of New Boxcars

Bruce Smith
 

This one even says so in the notes below the photo ;)
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:30 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] String Of New Boxcars

Many many many of the Barriger RR photos are displayed reversed.



Schuyler


Re: Ratios

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Or not, Tim. Some (OMG!) 32 years ago, I did an architectural project for
an engineering firm in Waltham MA. Their facility was next to a steel
fabricators shop. Every week, they would get the exact same gon full of
steel shapes delivered. Evidently, the car was in some sort of captive
service. I took particular note of the car because it was an EL gon, and as
an ERIE/EL modeler, well, I wanted to take photos - but the company had a
track that went inside their building, out of view. I never did get a shot
of it.



Schuyler



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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
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Tony

I think it is highly variable, based on the location. In the 1960's the
two PRR branchlines near my home in NJ saw a wide variety of freight cars,
especially food, beverages and lumber from the western US. And seasonally
there were special shipments, like refrigerator cars. I lived across the
river from Philadelphia, a huge destination for freight, so the variety
is not surprising.

Tim O'





Over the years, working railroaders have often pointed out that a local
train crew, when coming on duty, could take one look at their train and know
where most of the cars were going. So "repeats" of the kind Jim mentions are
actually good, IMO.

Tony Thompson

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