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Re: PFE Reefer With White Line Stripe (?)

Tim O'Connor
 


I forgot to add, based on the ends and appearance, it appears to be a PFE R-30-24/R-40-24,
series 65921-68534 in this time period.

Tim O'Connor





An undated photo from the Barringer Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12331543144/in/photostream/

The location is identified as White River Junction on the Central Vermont mainline. Siding and tracks to right are Boston & Maine.

Notice what appears to be a white line along the bottom edge of the car. Is this just an accumulation of snow or did any PFE reefers receive such a white line stripe?

Bob Chaparro


Re: I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right

Paul R Greenwald
 

Claud-
It appears that the negative was printed backwards. Wonder if it is worth millions like the upside down bi-plane postage stamp of the late 1920's. 

Paul Greenwald 
PRRTH@S #1802


On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 7:15 PM 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hi List Members,

Although the string of cabooses is very nice, I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right of the image,
coupled to a baggage car.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12331384054/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: PFE Reefer With White Line Stripe (?)

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

lol - only someone from sunny, warm California wouldn't realize that is just frozen H2O (snow, ice, frost) :-)

Tim O'Connor




An undated photo from the Barringer Library:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12331543144/in/photostream/

The location is identified as White River Junction on the Central Vermont mainline. Siding and tracks to right are Boston & Maine.

Notice what appears to be a white line along the bottom edge of the car. Is this just an accumulation of snow or did any PFE reefers receive such a white line stripe?

Bob Chaparro


photo of CVR 36' boxcar with double channel steel car ends

robertm
 

Am modeling the Central Vermont Railway's 36' box cars with Hutchin's roof. The original car had wood ends, but some rebuilds had double channel steel car ends. Hope some one has a photo they could share.


The Accurail 36' undecorated 1300 series car has metal ends. Would this be prototypical for the rebuild?


Have the F&C produced Steam Shack multi-piece body kit and the later F&C

one piece body kit in addition to the Accurail 1300 and 1700 series kits.


Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Bob Moeller

CV Swanton 47-57


string of 10 acid tank cars

gary laakso
 

Yes, your yard can have a string of 10 acid tank cars., too:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329963714/in/photostream/ 

 

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock


I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Although the string of cabooses is very nice, I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right of the image, coupled to a baggage car.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12331384054/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

The reporting marks might be OTX 3049, but tough to say for sure.

Claus Schlund

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To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Another Three-Compartment Tank Car




From the Barringer Library:



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bruce (or anyone),



Any thought as to the capy of that tank? And a good starting-point model?

Schuyler



Subject: Re: [STMFC] Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

​Bob,

That appears to be a Standard Tank Car product (bolsters are spotting feature). Originally single compartment, converted to 3 compartments. As best i can tell it is lettered OTX 3019.

Just up the track is a PRR X31A single door box car and on the next track, that appears to be a MoPac composite, drop bottom gondola, probably loaded with coal.



Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 12:41 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Another Three-Compartment Tank Car





From the Barringer Library:



<https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/> https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA







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Re: Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

Bruce Smith
 

​Bob,


That appears to be a Standard Tank Car product (bolsters are spotting feature).  Originally single compartment, converted to 3 compartments.  As best i can tell it is lettered OTX 3019.


Just up the track is a PRR X31A single door box car and on the next track, that appears to be a MoPac composite, drop bottom gondola, probably loaded with coal.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 12:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Another Three-Compartment Tank Car
 


From the Barringer Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

rwitt_2000
 

Another view of the same yard in the Barringer Collection has lots of reefers. The SFRD on the left looks like it has a recently re-sheathed roof.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329715783/in/album-72157640556301914/

Bob Witt


Re: PFE Reefer With White Line Stripe (?)

Jack Mullen
 

I think it's snow accumulated on the angle that secures the lower end of the sheathing. That "stripe" does look quite uniform, but the snow on the roof also looks pretty even and undisturbed, so I'd guess there was a light snowfall after the car was spotted.
Jack Mullen


PFE Reefer With White Line Stripe (?)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

An undated photo from the Barringer Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12331543144/in/photostream/

 

Use the arrows in the lower right corner to enlarge the image.

 

The location is identified as White River Junction on the Central Vermont mainline. Siding and tracks to right are Boston & Maine.

 

Notice what appears to be a white line along the bottom edge of the car. Is this just an accumulation of snow or did any PFE reefers receive such a white line stripe?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Another Three-Compartment Tank Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

From the Barringer Library:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329407623/in/photostream/

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Rapido boxcar

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/17/2017 10:14 AM, Brian LaManna brianlamanna@... [STMFC] wrote:
NP boxcar is currently slotted for a Spring '18 delivery.

    Thanks, for some reason I had never looked at the delivery schedule.  Probably because I didn't find it easily.

    I'm guessing they had a lot of rework to do.  I remember the maker seemed to think they didn't need wire grabs, thought they could do it in plastic.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Rapido boxcar

Brian LaManna
 

List,


According to Rapido's delivery schedule, the NP boxcar is currently slotted for a Spring '18 delivery.  They're currently at the second sample phase.
http://rapidotrains.com/new-product-delivery-schedule/

Cheers,

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB



From: STMFC@... on behalf of Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]
Sent: June 16, 2017 8:43:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rapido boxcar
 
 

On 6/16/2017 1:56 PM, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] wrote:
will break the 4 packs

    Rapido site seems to indicate the cars come individually if ordered that way?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Shippers Guides For Sale

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

The referenced WP "shippers' guide" (CIRCULAR 167-E) is actually an internal document rather than the usual industrial directory. It probably was regularly updated with mimeographed inserts. The alleged 1957 version (based on what is missing after the early 1957 abandonment of the Oakland line) is the only one I have encountered. That said, it is filled with tons of useful information. Mine was copied from an original in the CSRM library, and cost me some $60. The listed price of the reprint is well worthwhile.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 6/16/17 7:39 PM, Ted Schnepf railsunl@... [STMFC] wrote:
�

Hello Everyone,

My website has been upgraded to show all the recent Shippers Guides
that are available.

The page is here: http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html

Recent additions are Pennsylvania RR, New York Central RR (including
Pittsburgh and Lake Erie), Reading RR, New Haven, Western Pacific,
Denver Rio Grande, and Icing Stations. There are also directories
from Chicago Switching District, RI (2 ea), UP, C&EI, MP, Milw (2
each), GN and CNW. All are on hand an ready to ship.

These shippers guides are very useful for historical research and for
preparing accurate waybills for a model railroad. All have a comb
binding, allowing them to lay flat when in use.

I will have all these shippers guides with me at the St Louis RPM
coming up in 7 days. See you there.

Ted

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used. HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).

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Re: Rapido boxcar

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/16/2017 1:56 PM, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] wrote:
will break the 4 packs

    Rapido site seems to indicate the cars come individually if ordered that way?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Shippers Guides For Sale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

My website has been upgraded to show all the recent Shippers Guides that are available.

The page is here: http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html

Recent additions are Pennsylvania RR, New York Central RR (including Pittsburgh and Lake Erie), Reading RR, New Haven, Western Pacific, Denver Rio Grande, and Icing Stations. There are also directories from Chicago Switching District, RI (2 ea), UP, C&EI, MP, Milw (2 each), GN and CNW. All are on hand an ready to ship.

These shippers guides are very useful for historical research and for preparing accurate waybills for a model railroad. All have a comb binding, allowing them to lay flat when in use.

I will have all these shippers guides with me at the St Louis RPM coming up in 7 days. See you there.

Ted

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@sbcglobal.net
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used. HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).


Re: Rapido boxcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

Still scheduled for 2017 delivery.  Pre-production samples have been received

http://rapidotrains.com/ho-np-boxcar/

The order deadline is still TBA.

I am still accepting reservations and will break the 4 packs if I have sufficient reservations to make that feasible.

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Jun 16, 2017 11:21 am
Subject: [STMFC] Rapido boxcar



    Any word on the current progress on the boxcar?


--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS



Re: Hazmat Placards

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi everyone,

The document referenced can be found at

https://archive.org/details/regulationsfortr00unit

Placards are shown on pages 76-79

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Parker spottab@yahoo.com [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Hazmat Placards


Rich:
I have the same ICC publication as you. It includes a diagram of the early (earliest) INFLAMMABLE placard: that word in red, the rest in black, and on a diamond that is 10.75" on a side. It also include the ACID diamond, but for some reason that was only 8.5" on a side.
For some reason, the ARA (MCB) started requiring the placard holders somewhat earlier. The 1920 Specifications for Tank Cars included rule 18-A, but only for Class III and IV cars. It specified "suitable boards for attaching placards prescribed by the Interstate Commerce Commission...of sufficient size to permit placards to be applied with the opposite points of the diamond in vertical and horizontal positions..." . So the boards could be either square or in the diamond orientation, as long as they could accommodate the placards. This reg predates the ICC rule by two or three years; perhaps the ARA knew it was in the pipeline.

I can find no mention of these placards in the earlier MCB Specifications (1917, 1918).
Note that the metal-frame holders that allowed the standard placards to be dropped into place (rather than tacked) were mandated on newly built cars, and on those receiving general repairs, with an effective date of Oct 14, 1932. This is according to the 1938 Code of Federal Regulations.

Dave ParkerRiverside, CA


On Friday, June 16, 2017 3:53 AM, "'Richard W. Chapin' rwc27q@verizon.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have a copy of “Transportation of Explosives and Other Dangerous Articles by Freight including Specifications for Shipping Containers”, issued 12/11/1922, effective 1/1/1923. Required by a 3/4/1921 amendment to the Transportation Act of 1920. This is a ICC publication of regulations [actually labelled as “Freight Tariff No.1”. Article 700 is “Labels” and shows required placards [classic diamonds]; red for inflammable liquids & gases, yellow for inflammable solids, white for acids & corrosives, white with red letters for poison gases and green for non-inflammable gases. These required on packaging. Article 900 is required “Placarding of Cars”, but this has illustrations for explosives, poison gas, inflammable liquids and acids only. The last two are diamonds like the packaging, while the first two are rectangles. So, 1/1/1923 is an official date for placards. I note colors noted above are currently used [e.g., yellow flammable solid] So, did the diamond come for the law requiring these regs? Or perhaps from a prior Bureau of Explosives document? I have found articles that say railroads required labels for Dangerous Goods in 1910, but have yet to find any specifics on that. 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