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Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

The 1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's shows 100 50-6 IL gondolas in series 1000-1099
in interchange service with reporting marks MKC.

They would definitely have shown up occasionally in Elkton, WV. ;-)

Tim

P.S. They continued to buy new gondolas many years after 1960. Finally folded
into the Union Railroad operations in 2013.


 Did these get out of the mills into interchange service?
 Schuyler


Re: PRR Keystones ??

Jim Betz
 

Bill and all,

  I also think there were cars that had 'just the keystone' (i.e. without
the circle or the shadow) but I don't have a clue as to when those
were being done.

  Thanks for the date range for the circle -vs- shadow.  Yes, I 
understand that a car with a circle keystone paint might have
lasted well beyond the introduction of the shadow ... it always
depends upon when the car was repainted.
  However, there is another aspect to those date ranges ... if
your layout/ops scheme is set for "1953" then you should not
be running any shadow keystone cars.  *G*  But many of us
do not adhere to "era" as tightly as others ... and that's OK
if that is your thing.
                                                                           - Jim


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

  Tony's clinic is available online from MRH, back issues April 2013 and
March 2015.  The text of those articles is essentially the same as what
Tony presented at BAPM here in the SF Bay Area yesterday.
                                                                                            - Jim


Re: Boxcar End Stenciling

Edward
 

The B&O box car number 176419 in that photo is of the M-15f class.
It is a 40', 40 ton capacity wood bodied car with a steel underframe, according to the March 15 1924 B&O Summary of Equipment roster.

Ed Bommer


Re: I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right

ajb1102@...
 

Can say, Been there.

Hired an intern once to scan photo negatives to digitize case files.

Could not tell the difference between the glossy side and

the dull side of negative. Or maybe did not bother. Was not realized

until a case went to court. Since the accident photo was reversed, it

showed the defendant on the right (correct) side of the road. 

Talk about embarrassment. 


Re: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers) #2

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Anybody notice the dual flanges on the wheels under the ramp?
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:04 AM, "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]"


 
Railroad ferries such as along the Mississippi River used such ramps to allow for
changing water levels.  Tidal areas often used aprons but that wasn't enough in
the river environment. Track was laid to some point below normal low water on
a descending grade along the bank and the ramp was hauled up and down as the
river rose and fell.
Chuck Peck in the Redwoods (usually Florida)

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:01 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
This photo is out of sequence if its related to the one below, but it appears to be a ramp?
 
 
Gary “still perplexed” Laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
From: gary laakso [mailto:vasa0vasa@earthlink. net]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: 'STMFC@...' <STMFC@...>
Subject: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers)
 
These are interesting pieces of rolling stock on adjoining tracks:
 
 
I have no clue what they are!
 
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock




Re: PRR Keystones ??

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

The circle keystone herald was used from approximately 1936 up to 1954. It was replaced by the shadow keystone which lasted until about the early 1960s. Sorry for the vagueness but I'm going from memory on these. Remember that the earlier heralds lasted until the car was repainted... which may have been as much as 10 years (or even later...).
 
Bill Daniels


Poultry Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Looks like a poultry car to the left:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345684414/in/dateposted/

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Boxcar End Stenciling

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Here is another example where the end stenciling is not at the top of the box car. Close, though.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345222065/in/dateposted/

 

This appears to be a B&O car. Anyone know the class?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Tony also gave the web address for the notes to his presentation. He also brought a display train highlighting the cars he discussed so the audience (and everybody else) could see the real cars instead of just photos. Of course, he also brought an SP consol and caboose to make it a real train.


Tank Car Loading...Maybe

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Looking carefully at this photo what I see is an angled pipe routed from the shed next to the vertical tanks into the ground near the tracks. Across the tracks I see a pipe rising from the ground and then making a ninety degree turn, terminating over the dome of the tank car.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345738043/in/dateposted/

 

Does anyone have a different interpretation of this photo?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Rob M.
 

For those of us too distant to attend, I think it would be a great discussion!

Rob Mondichak


Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Jim Betz
 

Hi all - and especially Tony,


  I attended Tony's clinic on 'Signature Freight Cars' at the Bay Area

Prototype Modeler's meet in Richmond, Ca. I have a couple of

questions I'd like to toss out to the group.  Is this topic correct

for this group?

                                                                               - Jim B.


PRR Keystones ??

Jim Betz
 

Hi,


  I'm not a Pennsy modeler.  Would someone please provide the years

for the introduction of the various forms of the keystone logo - I think

there are only(?) 3 ... keystone, circle keystone, and shadow keystone.


                                                                     TIA - Jim B.


Re: photo of CVR 36' boxcar with double channel steel car ends

Dave Parker
 

Bob:

Not quite sure what you mean by "double channel steel car ends".  Two vertical outside braces made up of channel (rather than Z)?  Regardless, I have never heard of the CV doing anything to their SUF shorties other than replacing the roof with Hutchins.

My notes say that the 1000 SUF cars were originally in 62000-62999 when built in 1912.  In the 1920s, most were rebuilt with Hutchins roofs, and renumbered into 82000-83599.  By 1935, there were only 57 cars in the original series, and 755 in the 82000 series.

Allegedly, sometime after 1935, some of these were rebuilt with Ajax brakes and put on 90,000 lb trucks, but I have never tracked these down.  Perhaps these had modified ends?

Photos of these cars are like hen's teeth; I think I have three in total.

As for the models, I don't see much use for either of the Accurails here.  The roofs are Murphy rather than Hutchins.  The side-sill details don't quite match.  The 1300 series is definitely out with its reverse 7/7 Murphy end.  The 1700 series might serve as something of a stand-in, but the F&C kit is probably a better bet for prototypic accuracy. 

As someone who models Claremont Junction in 1934-35, I am finding the best use for the fishbelly Accurails is for NYC, B&A, and (one) NKP cars.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA








On Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:23 AM, "robertmoeller47@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Am modeling the Central Vermont Railway's 36' box cars with Hutchin's roof. The original car had wood ends, but some rebuilds had double channel steel car ends. Hope some one has a photo they could share.

The Accurail 36' undecorated 1300 series car has metal ends. Would this be prototypical for the rebuild?

Have the F&C produced Steam Shack multi-piece body kit and the later F&C
one piece body kit in addition to the Accurail 1300 and 1700 series kits.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Bob Moeller
CV Swanton 47-57



Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Bill Welch
 

Would not these Gons have been used by their owners to deliver their products to their customers?

Bill Welch


Re: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers) #2

Charles Peck
 

Railroad ferries such as along the Mississippi River used such ramps to allow for
changing water levels.  Tidal areas often used aprons but that wasn't enough in
the river environment. Track was laid to some point below normal low water on
a descending grade along the bank and the ramp was hauled up and down as the
river rose and fell.
Chuck Peck in the Redwoods (usually Florida)

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:01 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

This photo is out of sequence if its related to the one below, but it appears to be a ramp?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329473555/in/album-72157640556301914/   

 

Gary “still perplexed” Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

From: gary laakso [mailto:vasa0vasa@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: 'STMFC@...' <STMFC@...>
Subject: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers)

 

These are interesting pieces of rolling stock on adjoining tracks:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329957324/in/album-72157640556301914/ 

 

I have no clue what they are!

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock



Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Did these get out of the mills into interchange service?

Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:57 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Neat Gondola Scenes





Bill,

I thought these was a USRA mill gon featured in that first link, then I took a closer look. This is a McKeesport Connecting mill gon! Note the heavy end sill, the grab attachment on the corners, and the towing loop. These details seem to match a gondola used by a few US Steel roads. There is a remnant of a railroad herald near the end of the car that seems reminiscent of the McK Conn logo. Check out the F&C kit on this page. Scroll down a bit for the McKeesport Connecting model.

http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/8140.html





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

for now







On June 18, 2017 at 5:25 AM "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:




Gons loaded with Pipe



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329504415/in/album-72157640556301914/



https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329946644/in/album-72157640556301914/



Second one needs to be flipped



Bill Welch







Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Bill Welch
 

I have built the Union version, a very nice model indicative of the better quality of the more recent F&C releases. Highly recommended. These are too late for you are they not Eric?

Bill Welch


Re: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers) #2

Eric Hansmann
 

Gary,

I wonder if this is a moveable ramp for ferry loading on the Mississippi. Here's a comment that was left on the first image.

Image is backwards - needs to be flipped. TRRA - Wiggins Ferry - East St. Louis Connecting Rwy. ferry slip at the East St. Louis Riverfront along Front Street between the Eads Bridge and Municipal Bridge. Looking northeast towards the GM&O(M&O) Freight House and Continental Grain Elevators. This is the area now occupied by what was the Peabody Coal Dock. John P. Kohlberg


Instead of a float bridge, maybe they used these moveable ramps for loading. When the river runs strong, the ramps can be pulled from the water. I don't think a float bridge has that option.


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On June 18, 2017 at 8:01 AM "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



This photo is out of sequence if its related to the one below, but it appears to be a ramp?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329473555/in/album-72157640556301914/   

 

Gary “still perplexed” Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

From: gary laakso [mailto:vasa0vasa@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: 'STMFC@...' <STMFC@...>
Subject: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers)

 

These are interesting pieces of rolling stock on adjoining tracks:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329957324/in/album-72157640556301914/ 

 

I have no clue what they are!

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock




Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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