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Re: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers) #2

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Correct.  The river level at St. Louis can easily fluctuate 20 feet with extremes closer to 30 feet difference.  As near as I could determine when I examined these photos about a year or so ago, this particular ramp was located on the east bank just north of the Municipal (MacArthur) Bridge and I-55 Poplar Street Bridge.  There are some other views including some closer detail views should anyone be interested.

 

There was a single track ferry slip south of St. Louis near Ste. Genevieve, Missouri that was in operation until 1960 or 1961.  It was the river crossing for the Missouri-Illinois.  And, if you happened to attend the St. Louis RPM a couple of years ago, list member Gene Semon brought an impressive in process model of that ferry.

 

David Jobe, Sr.

Saint Ann, Missouri

 

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Railroad ferries such as along the Mississippi River used such ramps to allow for

changing water levels.  Tidal areas often used aprons but that wasn't enough in

the river environment. Track was laid to some point below normal low water on

a descending grade along the bank and the ramp was hauled up and down as the

river rose and fell.

Chuck Peck in the Redwoods (usually Florida)

 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:01 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

This photo is out of sequence if its related to the one below, but it appears to be a ramp?

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329473555/in/album-72157640556301914/   

 

Gary “still perplexed” Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers)

 

These are interesting pieces of rolling stock on adjoining tracks:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12329957324/in/album-72157640556301914/ 

 

I have no clue what they are!

 

Gary Laakso

south of Mike Brock

 





Re: Tank Car Loading...Maybe

Jack Mullen
 

Unloading, not loading.

Jack Mullen


Re: Tank Car Loading...Maybe

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

I've seen similar structures for loading or unloading tank cars. Obviously the horizontal
pipe could swing out of the way as needed. I've also seen examples where the horizontal
pipe lifts out of the way, like on a trackside water tank.

Tim O'



First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

Looking carefully at this photo what I see is an angled pipe routed from the shed next to the vertical tanks into the ground near the tracks. Across the tracks I see a pipe rising from the ground and then making a ninety degree turn, terminating over the dome of the tank car.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345738043/in/dateposted/

Does anyone have a different interpretation of this photo?

Bob Chaparro


Re: PFE Reefer With White Line Stripe (?)

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Not necessarily true, Tim. There are places in Southern California that do get snow on a regular basis. After all, one of the claims of SoCal is that you can go skiing and swimming on the same day.
 
Bill Daniels, Fog City, California


Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

The 1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's shows 100 50-6 IL gondolas in series 1000-1099
in interchange service with reporting marks MKC.

They would definitely have shown up occasionally in Elkton, WV. ;-)

Tim

P.S. They continued to buy new gondolas many years after 1960. Finally folded
into the Union Railroad operations in 2013.


 Did these get out of the mills into interchange service?
 Schuyler


Re: PRR Keystones ??

Jim Betz
 

Bill and all,

  I also think there were cars that had 'just the keystone' (i.e. without
the circle or the shadow) but I don't have a clue as to when those
were being done.

  Thanks for the date range for the circle -vs- shadow.  Yes, I 
understand that a car with a circle keystone paint might have
lasted well beyond the introduction of the shadow ... it always
depends upon when the car was repainted.
  However, there is another aspect to those date ranges ... if
your layout/ops scheme is set for "1953" then you should not
be running any shadow keystone cars.  *G*  But many of us
do not adhere to "era" as tightly as others ... and that's OK
if that is your thing.
                                                                           - Jim


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

  Tony's clinic is available online from MRH, back issues April 2013 and
March 2015.  The text of those articles is essentially the same as what
Tony presented at BAPM here in the SF Bay Area yesterday.
                                                                                            - Jim


Re: Boxcar End Stenciling

Edward
 

The B&O box car number 176419 in that photo is of the M-15f class.
It is a 40', 40 ton capacity wood bodied car with a steel underframe, according to the March 15 1924 B&O Summary of Equipment roster.

Ed Bommer


Re: I will call your attention to the poultry car at the extreme right

ajb1102@...
 

Can say, Been there.

Hired an intern once to scan photo negatives to digitize case files.

Could not tell the difference between the glossy side and

the dull side of negative. Or maybe did not bother. Was not realized

until a case went to court. Since the accident photo was reversed, it

showed the defendant on the right (correct) side of the road. 

Talk about embarrassment. 


Re: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers) #2

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Anybody notice the dual flanges on the wheels under the ramp?
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:04 AM, "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]"


 
Railroad ferries such as along the Mississippi River used such ramps to allow for
changing water levels.  Tidal areas often used aprons but that wasn't enough in
the river environment. Track was laid to some point below normal low water on
a descending grade along the bank and the ramp was hauled up and down as the
river rose and fell.
Chuck Peck in the Redwoods (usually Florida)

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:01 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
This photo is out of sequence if its related to the one below, but it appears to be a ramp?
 
 
Gary “still perplexed” Laakso
south of Mike Brock
 
From: gary laakso [mailto:vasa0vasa@earthlink. net]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:52 AM
To: 'STMFC@...' <STMFC@...>
Subject: What are these extra wide and tall clearance items (wheels showing but no couplers)
 
These are interesting pieces of rolling stock on adjoining tracks:
 
 
I have no clue what they are!
 
Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock




Re: PRR Keystones ??

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

The circle keystone herald was used from approximately 1936 up to 1954. It was replaced by the shadow keystone which lasted until about the early 1960s. Sorry for the vagueness but I'm going from memory on these. Remember that the earlier heralds lasted until the car was repainted... which may have been as much as 10 years (or even later...).
 
Bill Daniels


Poultry Car

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Looks like a poultry car to the left:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345684414/in/dateposted/

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Boxcar End Stenciling

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Here is another example where the end stenciling is not at the top of the box car. Close, though.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345222065/in/dateposted/

 

This appears to be a B&O car. Anyone know the class?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Tony also gave the web address for the notes to his presentation. He also brought a display train highlighting the cars he discussed so the audience (and everybody else) could see the real cars instead of just photos. Of course, he also brought an SP consol and caboose to make it a real train.


Tank Car Loading...Maybe

thecitrusbelt@...
 

First, ignore the fact that this is another reversed printed photo.

 

Looking carefully at this photo what I see is an angled pipe routed from the shed next to the vertical tanks into the ground near the tracks. Across the tracks I see a pipe rising from the ground and then making a ninety degree turn, terminating over the dome of the tank car.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345738043/in/dateposted/

 

Does anyone have a different interpretation of this photo?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Rob M.
 

For those of us too distant to attend, I think it would be a great discussion!

Rob Mondichak


Tony's Clinic yesterday at BAPM

Jim Betz
 

Hi all - and especially Tony,


  I attended Tony's clinic on 'Signature Freight Cars' at the Bay Area

Prototype Modeler's meet in Richmond, Ca. I have a couple of

questions I'd like to toss out to the group.  Is this topic correct

for this group?

                                                                               - Jim B.


PRR Keystones ??

Jim Betz
 

Hi,


  I'm not a Pennsy modeler.  Would someone please provide the years

for the introduction of the various forms of the keystone logo - I think

there are only(?) 3 ... keystone, circle keystone, and shadow keystone.


                                                                     TIA - Jim B.


Re: photo of CVR 36' boxcar with double channel steel car ends

Dave Parker
 

Bob:

Not quite sure what you mean by "double channel steel car ends".  Two vertical outside braces made up of channel (rather than Z)?  Regardless, I have never heard of the CV doing anything to their SUF shorties other than replacing the roof with Hutchins.

My notes say that the 1000 SUF cars were originally in 62000-62999 when built in 1912.  In the 1920s, most were rebuilt with Hutchins roofs, and renumbered into 82000-83599.  By 1935, there were only 57 cars in the original series, and 755 in the 82000 series.

Allegedly, sometime after 1935, some of these were rebuilt with Ajax brakes and put on 90,000 lb trucks, but I have never tracked these down.  Perhaps these had modified ends?

Photos of these cars are like hen's teeth; I think I have three in total.

As for the models, I don't see much use for either of the Accurails here.  The roofs are Murphy rather than Hutchins.  The side-sill details don't quite match.  The 1300 series is definitely out with its reverse 7/7 Murphy end.  The 1700 series might serve as something of a stand-in, but the F&C kit is probably a better bet for prototypic accuracy. 

As someone who models Claremont Junction in 1934-35, I am finding the best use for the fishbelly Accurails is for NYC, B&A, and (one) NKP cars.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA








On Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:23 AM, "robertmoeller47@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Am modeling the Central Vermont Railway's 36' box cars with Hutchin's roof. The original car had wood ends, but some rebuilds had double channel steel car ends. Hope some one has a photo they could share.

The Accurail 36' undecorated 1300 series car has metal ends. Would this be prototypical for the rebuild?

Have the F&C produced Steam Shack multi-piece body kit and the later F&C
one piece body kit in addition to the Accurail 1300 and 1700 series kits.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Bob Moeller
CV Swanton 47-57



Re: Neat Gondola Scenes

Bill Welch
 

Would not these Gons have been used by their owners to deliver their products to their customers?

Bill Welch

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