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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

 
On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
And of course you will add placards and route cards,

    Again where are these available.


  Okay, folks, one more time. Number one, the info on prototype placards is readily available, and I included images of ALL the placards in use from 1930 through the 1950s in a prior blog post. You can download any image and print it out, exactly 1/8-inch on a side in HO scale for these 10.75-inch square placards. Here's the link to that post:


I followed up that post with a post with specifics about modeling use of these placards in HO scale. It's at this link:


There is a Microscale set, 87-975, which is correct for some though not all of these placards. It is incorrectly labeled as "1945-1970" (neither date is correct -- should be 1930 to 1960), and was long out of stock, but is now back in stock. If you prefer decals, this set works. But you need to check: some of the placards shown with all-red printing were NOT actually printed that way. See my prototype post, above, for info.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Gary Ray
 

I tried silicone caulk (for the bathtub – as I recall it was the GE Silicon) and held at first and then weights popped off.  I now use Barge Cement (old style – I was lucky enough to have a quart can – also great for gluing down rail to Central Valley tie strips – done with all the track work, thank goodness!)

Gary Ray

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 8:46 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Silicon for attaching weights

 



Bill, I use the GE Silicone II clear Premium Waterproof Silicone; however, any of the silicones will work or if you have Formula '560' canopy glue on hand you may want to try using that as it too will work well.

Lester Breuer

 

 

 





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HO Project:OMI Pennsy brass X28 1+1/2 door Auto box car

Andy Carlson
 



Hello-
I have a project PRR X28 box car in which I have lost interest. I purchased this Overland Models #3018, MS Models built, X28 without an underframe/floor. My intentions were to remove the left-side corrugated 4' Youngstown door, fill in the door opening with a riveted panel. and have a period correct X28A rebuild. (The same builder made an incorrect X28A in the same run.)

This comes with the original box and foam in great condition, but the underframe and floor is missing and I am including a Central Valley Model Works freight car frame. It is very close to the X28 underframe in that it has straight center sills and 5' striker plate-bolster center spacing. The brass body is in no-tarnish mint condition, and brake staff and running board, along with ladders and grabs are present. As the 1st 1000 cars came with arch bar trucks, I am including a pair of Tahoe Model Works 5'6" Arch Bar trucks with semi-scale code 88 wheel sets. Info for this car can be found in Vol. 24 of Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia which shows the two brass models from OMI.


The 1st 1000 (of a total of 5000 X28's built) were equipped with Youngstown corrugated steel doors, as is this model. I will toss in 4 pairs of Red Caboose X28 3-panel doors for kitbashing fodder if the buyer is inclined to model one of the 4000 so equipped. These cars were all gone by 1935, having been rebuilt into X28a single door box cars.

Offered for $75, shipping included to US addresses. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I accept PayPal.Contact me off-list for details

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA








Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And, John, when blowing the image up a LOT, I note above the lower corner braces, what looks like a bolt or something, which I’d guess to be the end of a transverse rod to hold the car sides together at the ends?



The half drop grabs seem odd, as in wet, or really any weather you’d think that a switchman grabbing hold of the car and putting his foot on these grabs would appreciate not having the risk of his foot slipping off the flat end of the grab, no?


Schuyler



Nor are the grabs all the same. Note the half drop on the bottom of grab ladder the far right of the car and the bottom grab on the end on the left. Not sure from the background if that is a half or full drop.



John Barry



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From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" <





A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/

Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
<snip>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17


B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/1/2017 10:43 AM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
And of course you will add placards and route cards,

    Again where are these available.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 7/1/2017 10:20 AM, Mark.Rossiter@... [STMFC] wrote:
swap out the wheelsets with Tangent semi-scale wheelsets

    This is really starting to annoy me, specifically with top end cars.  One should be able to order with .088 wheelsets.  Tangent take note!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

John Barry
 

Nor are the grabs all the same.  Note the half drop on the bottom of grab ladder the far right of the car and the bottom grab on the end on the left.  Not sure from the background if that is a half or full drop.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 1:29 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

 
A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/

Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
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>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17
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>B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
>http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
>B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]
>
>--
>Patrick McKnight
>Historian/Archivist
>Steamtown NHS
>150 S. Washington Avenue
>Scranton, PA
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/

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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Mark.Rossiter wrote:

 
I know we are not supposed to discuss manufacturer's business practices on this list, but what if they are AWESOME!  I ordered one of the new Tangent insulated tank cars on Wenesday and it was in my hands on Friday.  The model is stunning!  The only thing I had to do with the car after opening the package was wipe off my drool and swap out the wheelsets with Tangent semi-scale wheelsets.  I absolutley love the products these folks produce.  Steam era freight car modelers have absolutely nothing to cpmplain about.    

      Mark, it's okay to discuss products, just not business practice per se. And of course you will add placards and route cards, once you have weathered the car .

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Clark Propst
 

I’ve had nuts come loose even with silicon. Maybe I forgot to sand the resin?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 
I use nuts for weight in House Cars attached over the trucks, framed on two sides with .100 x .100 styrene strip. I cannot find the adhesive I have traditionally have used for attaching the nuts and thought I would used Silicon. What should I look for at HomeDepot/Lowes/Ace?

    I always use canopy glue for this and have had excellent results.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A great car to model! Not all of its ladder rungs are perfectly level, like
a lot of my models . . . 8^/



Schuyler

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
<snip>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17


B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
http://EL-List.railfan.net/


Re: Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

John Barry
 

I faithfully reproduce that detail on ALL of the arch bar trucks legally used in interchange on my December 1944 layout!  

Oh, rats, they were outlawed before the war ;-)

 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Richard Brennan rbrennan@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 12:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

 
After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo
collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on
the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box
car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our
cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this
photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
>
>
>http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17
>
>
>B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
>http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
>B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]
>
>--
>Patrick McKnight
>Historian/Archivist
>Steamtown NHS
>150 S. Washington Avenue
>Scranton, PA
>
>
> The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
> http://EL-List.railfan.net/




New Tangent Tank Cars

Mark.Rossiter@...
 

I know we are not supposed to discuss manufacturer's business practices on this list, but what if they are AWESOME!  I ordered one of the new Tangent insulated tank cars on Wenesday and it was in my hands on Friday.  The model is stunning!  The only thing I had to do with the car after opening the package was wipe off my drool and swap out the wheelsets with Tangent semi-scale wheelsets.  I absolutley love the products these folks produce.  Steam era freight car modelers have absolutely nothing to cpmplain about.    


Mark Rossiter


Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Clear silicone sealant is not a true adhesive, a cautionary and perhaps not wise choice when considering the gluing of weights into sealed house cars. Use a good fully wicked-off contact cement, good and safe for styrene, resin, wood, metal, plaster or paper; and it will never fail.


Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Another Steamtown NHS Image - DL&W 38555

Richard Brennan
 

After a bit of an other-topics hiatus, the NPS Steamtown photo collection posted by Historian/Archivist Pat (Richard) McKnight on the ErieLack list returns to the freight car topic...

A nicely-lit 1915 roster shot of DL&W 38555... a 36ft Class H-11 box car, built June 1910, including a good look at brake rigging and trucks.

Since I know we ALL appropriately stencil the top arch bar of our cars' trucks... (i.e. Journal size and Bearing material...) this photo will guide the faithful application of the lettering!!!!!

Possibly more photos upcoming...

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 03:05 AM 7/1/2017, on [ErieLack] McKnight, Richard wrote:
<snip>

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-07-01-17


B2144.jpg (image/jpeg, 2918x2285 557104 bytes, BF: 11.97 ppb)
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-01-17/B2144.jpg
B2144--Boxcar no. 38555 [1915.xx.xx]

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


The Erie Lackawanna Mailing List
http://EL-List.railfan.net/


Precision Scale Parts

Bill Welch
 

I too swear by the PSC Retainer Valve. I see in their various catalogs an Air Reservoir of the type used on freight cars but so far I cannot find an "AB" valve or Brake Cylinder from them. Have I overlooked them somehow?


Bill Welch


Re: Tank Cars On The SP

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Bob, why so many tank cars at Palm Springs??



Schuyler



Here is a photo link from the Barriger Library:



<https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12599911284/> https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12599911284/



Use the arrow pointing down at the lower right corner to see a larger version of the photo. And note that the photo is printed backwards



A variety of tank cars at Palm Springs on the Southern Pacific.



Related photo, also printed backwards:



<https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12599486335/in/dateposted/> https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12599486335/in/dateposted/



Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA





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Re: Cut Levers?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

All good, Al. Sometimes, for bottom operated couplers, I make the wire so it goes down and under the box right at the outboard end. I then bend the wire so it goes under the box, and a loop at the end of the wire is secured under the head of the screw which holds the box onto the car. In the admittedly rare event that a coupler needs to be replaced, I can unscrew the whole assembly, replace the coupler and reinstall it all.



Harder to describe than to do.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cut Levers?





Hi Jim,



I applaud your decision: when I installed my first cut lever (properly, "uncoupling device" -- OK, I said it) on an STMFC, I never looked at the end of a car the same way again -- cars look naked without them -- even though for some years I didn't always install them. (I do now.)



I don't think there was a "standard" cut lever, at any time in the universe of this group; although I think it's true that in general, top-operated cut levers were more common on cars built before 1940, and bottom-operated thereafter. Carmer cut levers competed with top-operated until about 1930. But to model a specific car correctly, there's no substitute for a photo of the end. (A 3/4 side view will do, if it shows the cut lever. That's left side from the B end, or right from the A end.)



It used to upset me that there are no commercially-available top-operate d cut levers, until I realized that they can be modelled (as you rightly point out) with two eye bolts and an appropriately bent wire. Cut levers come in a variety of shapes: match yours to your prototype. It's nothing anyone can't do with pliers. They get fancier post-1960: but that's for another group.



"Whiskers" on model couplers, being inside the draft-gear box, make no difference to the way I install cut levers. For a top-operated cut lever, the inboard eye bolt is on the end of the car above the draft-gear box; for a bottom-operated cut lever, this eye bolt is on the bottom of the draft-gear box, but I put it on the left side, so the eye-bolt stem goes into the side of the box (vertically): it doesn't enter the box nor interfere with the "whiskers". Not sure if this makes sense.



I too like Hi-Tech brake hoses.



Many members of this gro up are far more knowledgeable than I. I defer to them.



Hth --



Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Retainer valves

O Fenton Wells
 

Quiet my friend as we are starting to sound like a corrupt government council meeting  ;>)

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 12:13 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

You’d better agree, Fenton, you’re the source of MY knowledge!

 

Schuyler

 

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Retainer valves

 

Schuyler is correct, at least in my opinion
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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: or this tank car and other things through this link

Schuyler Larrabee
 

When you’ve clicked this link from Bill Daniels,

http://digital.hagley.org/PRR_05342

scroll down and click on the “Today in the Hagley Vault” and then scroll down through an amazing collection of vintage images, many of which could be “right click, saved” as poster or billboards for layouts. Personal use only, of course.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 11:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] or this tank car





Eldon,



That draft gear is a Cardwell design. By tightening or loosening the big nuts on the end of the spring, a carman could adjust the action of the draft gear.



Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA



On Friday, June 30, 2017 9:54 AM, "'Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (US)' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:





Union Petroleum 169: 1920

http://digital.hagley.org/PRR_05342

Interesting bolster and draft gear!

Elden Gatwood







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