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Reefers at Unknown Location on the SP

rwitt_2000
 

Another from the Barriger Collection

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12599481055/in/photostream/

An interesting scene with crane, wheel sets, water storage tank.

Bob Witt



Terminology

Mikebrock
 

The "discussion" regarding terminology is both interesting and amusing.
Various people have commented on different aspects. Tony Thompson notes that
the industry has already defined terminology for our freight cars as can be
seen in the Cycs [ wow, a hundred years ago? Scary ]. I would suggest that
Tony is correct for our freight cars and, of course, that's what we are all
about. However, I would urge caution when considering trying to establish a
standard vocabulary for the industry as a whole. For example, is a 4-8-4
steam locomotive a "Northern"? Or is it an "FEF" or perhaps simply a "2900"
or perhaps a "GS-4"? In about 2 years we may actually see a "Big Boy"
operating on UP tracks again and the various media will address it as a "Big
Boy". Back when the class was operational it was referred to by those who
ran them as "4000's", not "Big Boy's".

Of perhaps more interest to us, I can hardly wait to see the arguments
favoring "solid, plain and friction" bearings on our freight cars. And, of
course, what do you think about the term "Turnout"?

Mike Brock


Re: Placards [Was: New Tangent Tank Cars]

Tony Thompson
 

     While we were discussing tank car placards, one question raised was, how does one know which placard goes with which cargo? I have answered that by posting the 12-page table from General American's Tank Car Handbook, along with a short description of how to use the table. If you're interested, here is a link to my blog post on this topic.


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

There is a note in the 1943-1945 ORER’s in respect of all CB&Q (and presumably other companies’) company service tank cars -

“Cars in series 230000-231601 are temporarily assigned to commercial service and are on mileage basis effective March 1, 1943 as covered by A. A. R. Circular T-117-L.”

So, if you were modelling this period ………

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2017 1:20 p.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

 

Johannes,

 

That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT.  Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line.  They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Ventilated Boxcar: ACL 25349

thecitrusbelt@...
 

From the Florida Memory website:

 

https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/31858

 

Taken in 1926 at Lecanto, Florida.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Good choice, Bruce.  The presence of the ICG switcher would rule out the Class V cars, as they were generally retired in the early 50's rather than be converted to AB brakes.  The double safety valve would indicate, either an 8000 gallon or a 10000 gallon car.  A large number of Class X cars survived well into the diesel era.
 
Steve Hile



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 8:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

 

Claus,

Yes.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
P.S. The car looks like it might have an underframe, making it a type X but it isn't clear.

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From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:19 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

HI List members,

Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/34285230751/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

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Re: New Tangent Tank Cars

Jerry Michels
 

They are nice cars, I'm planning on getting one... 

IF I ever find a valid number for a plain GATX tank. I'm not interested in any tanks with billboard lettering or circus colors. 

David Thompson

David,  have you given thought to sending "Tangent" David a list of plain-Jane GATX tank car numbers?  Your wish may come true.  

Jerry Michels


Re: Help needed with paint job

Bruce Smith
 

​Fred,


What brand gloss?  I would start by either stripping the car in 90% isopropanol, or spot stripping the side.  Next I would move on to the thinner for the brand of gloss paint and then to grit blasting.  Unless of course, you could turn the bad paint into some sort of weathering effect... In that case I'd suggest that you keep and claim that you are a withering guru ;)


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of fred@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 3:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Help needed with paint job
 


Hi all,
finished a resin kit, painted it box car red (TruColor) and added a coat of gloss before decaling.
Because I tought one part of the car had too thick a layer of gloss, I tried to dry the surface faster with a hair dryer to prevent build up of paint.
Result is a surface of small bubbles instead of a smooth glossy surface. Probably because the hair dryer was too hot.
It's only on one side, the part left of the door, so I could mask and try to take the gloss & paint off that part of the car.
But how to proceed? Wipe the gloss & paint off with a cloth damped in thinner? Wipe with brush and thinner? Grit blast? Any good ideas?
Thanks for your help.
Fred Jansz





Re: Tank Cars On The SP

Paul Koehler
 

Note there are three tracks at the location that is a Passenger Brakeman walking along the tracks, probably going to protect the rear of his train.  The string of tank cars does have a caboose on the rear end.  Both stopped trains are in the hole waiting for a meet.  Southern Pacific purchased a lot of fuel from Standard Oil at El Segundo and took delivery at Yuma to avoid paying California taxes.  SP hauled a lot of loaded tank cars both EB WB between LA and Yuma.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 12:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Tank Cars On The SP

 

 

I'm sure they were on their way to somewhere else. Perhaps Tony T. can weight in on this with some authority.

 

I don't believe there were any oil fields or refineries anywhere near Palm Springs...assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Bob, why so many tank cars at Palm Springs??

Schuyler


Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

Bruce Smith
 

Johannes,


That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT.  Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line.  They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of j.markwart@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:00 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
 


Hello friends,

I found the following offer of a W&R tank car:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M-K-T-Katy-High-Walkway-Tank-Car-1-Dome-W-R-Enterprises-AC-F-6-000-GAL/282541463687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

-which in my eyes looks very nice and just needs weathering.
But as I have even less knowledge about tank cars compared to other cars, I have the following questions:
- is this a prototypical paint job correct for this car?
- does it match my time frame of late 1940s to early 1950s?
- could this car be seen in a(ny) typical freight train, or is it something special (e. g. fuel car mostly sitting in a depot, etc.)?

Many thanks

Johannes


Re: Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

Bruce Smith
 

Claus,

Yes.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
P.S. The car looks like it might have an underframe, making it a type X but it isn't clear.

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Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:19 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

HI List members,

Is this one of the UTLX type V or type X cars?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/34285230751/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



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Re: Soda Pop Bottling Plants

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Bob, I live near or at many of the photos to the left.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tank Cars On The SP

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Tom, for validating the suspicion I had that the tank cars in that
photo might be hauling water. I knew that Palm Springs depended, to a
degree, on imported water, as the Springs were not sufficient to supply the
entire population of the town.



Schuyler

Schuyler,
What era are the cars and photos from? I ask because really good tasting
was used in the Arrowhead commercial brand water came from the Southern
Pacific Springs Spring located just north of the depot which was located way
out of town. The Espee had an interesting relationship with Arrowhead Water
in that the original bottling plant was located on Washington in the Armoco
tower area of the Pacific Electric RR and its famous water trains in the
1920 thru 1956 era. The bottlers supplemented the Arrowhead Springs water
from just above San Bernadino with the water from the Southern Pacific
Springs in the Palm Springs area.

Just a thought...
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net [STMFC] wrote:



"assuming the content of the tank cars was oil."

That is actually what I was wondering, Palm Springs being in the desert and
all . . .

Schuyler

I'm sure they were on their way to somewhere else. Perhaps Tony T. can
weight in on this with some authority.

I don't believe there were any oil fields or refineries anywhere near Palm
Springs...assuming the content of the tank cars was oil.

Bob Chaparro

---In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mailto:schuyler.larrabee@...>
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Bob, why so many tank cars at Palm Springs??

Schuyler


Re: NYC S98656

Eric Hansmann
 

The Westerfield USRA NYC steel sheathed box car kits (#2900) have not been available for awhile. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Jul 1, 2017, at 5:57 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Westerfield although he really needs to a version with replacement rectangular paneled roof so may of these received. In-service into the 1950's.

Bill Welch


Re: Liquid Nails: Not an Adhesive

Dave Parker
 

Sorry Bill.  You used Liquid Nails as a trade name, but I was thinking of their most traditional line of products (which is now vast) -- construction adhesives (generally polyurethanes).

Of course what you describe is silicone based.  Note also that it is being touted as an adhesive, not a caulk.  There are silicone-based products sold as caulks, sealants, adhesive caulks, and adhesives - a dizzying array.

Like Pierre, I have no qualms about using silicone ADHESIVES for attaching car weights; I think they might have some advantages (which I will not belabor).

And before Tony or anybody else jumps my s**t, let me say in a very large caps YMMV.

So let's end this thread quickly; I recall that it's a topic that's been thrashed before.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:10 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Dave,

So the tube I have with "Clear 100% Silicone Adhesive" on the tube is in error or misleading?

Bill Welch



Re: Silicon for attaching weights

Lee Thwaits
 

Permatex Silicone states clearly on the label General Purpose Adhesive. I have used it for years for weights, motors, gluing roofs on Intermountain cars all in O scale. Never a failure. Motors must be cut off for removal. Experimented with it on various types of plastic which gives very secure bond that can, if need be, be broken apart with some twisting. I agree that GE silicon bathtub calk is useless.

Lee Thwaits


Re: NYC S98656

John Barry
 

John,

If I am remembering correctly from what I've learned on the impressive Canada Southern website (where I've learned most of my NYC knowledge not gained from the STMFC), the "S" in front of the number meant that the car was a System car and at home on any of the roads in the NYC system.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "'John C. La Rue, Jr.' MOFWCABOOSE@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC S98656

 
And while this question, I am sure, has been asked before, what did the "S-" signify?
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL
 
 
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From: sullivant41@... [STMFC] To: STMFC
Sent: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 6:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC S98656

 
Hi Schuyler,

These cars lasted into the 1950s in active revenue service, although not in this paint scheme which is the original scheme.  The NYC and affiliated roads had lots of them: the NYC itself had over 17,000 of them in January 1952, according to my ORER.  Westerfield makes kits for several varieties of this car (listed as the "steel USRA" car), and they come with all the decals you will need for all eras.  Some of these cars were used in MoW and company material storage at various yards in the 1950s-1970s.  I remember seeing several at Selkirk Yard near Albany in the 1970s.

Todd Sullivan



Re: NYC S98656

Don Burn
 

I don't know how good it is, but there is the BLI model.

Don Burn

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Westerfield although he really needs to a version with replacement rectangular paneled roof so may of these received. In-service into the 1950's.

Bill Welch


Re: Liquid Nails: Not an Adhesive

Bill Welch
 

Dave,

So the tube I have with "Clear 100% Silicone Adhesive" on the tube is in error or misleading?

Bill Welch


Re: NYC S98656

Bill Welch
 

Westerfield although he really needs to a version with replacement rectangular paneled roof so may of these received. In-service into the 1950's.

Bill Welch

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