Re: Terminology
Arianne Coble
Oh man, why in the world would you
want to bring this up again? The terminology discussion seems to
come up from time to time and to what end. Are we filling out legal documents? Are
we on trial or giving a deposition? I find these discussions to be
circle arguments. For example, as has been mentioned and references
sited, the term switch and turnout are accurate and appropriate to
describe the same piece of track arrangement, so why must we argue
over which one to use? It does little in the way of promoting
clarity, help us model better, or for that matter discuss issues.
Here in the real world we are trying to communicate with one another,
so as long as the listener or reader understands what the speaker or
writer is communicating what on earth does the “proper” term
matter? It tends to remind me of someone during a conversation who
mid sentence corrects you on the grammar error you made.
Kyle Coble Auburn Indiana
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Re: Two more Gondolas with coiled end corrugations Plus a Hutchins end Gon
John Barry
Eric, Thanks, I've not had a chance to examine this on my larger screen. Do you have a number series and know when they retired? It would be a very interesting variation to model. A little late in the same album is another photo with more of these unique ends plus another Hutchins ended gon. John John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: "Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Two more Gondolas with coiled end corrugations Plus a Hutchins end Gon John, The Monon had a number of gondolas with this kind of pressed steel end reminiscent of a Van Dorn end. If you look closely at the gondola with this end, you can make out part of MONON in the shadow near the top left corner of the car. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN On July 1, 2017 at 10:20 PM "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]" wrote:
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Re: Tank Cars On The SP
What cars did the SP use to ship the oil into San Luis Obispo for Loco fuel for steam engines?
Paul Deis
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Turnout Terminology
Andy Carlson
I wasn't "attempting to be funny", I was sarcastically expressing my annoyance with attempts over the decades to SUBSTITUTE the word "Turnout' for switch. Sure, most recognize what a turnout is, but it is an unnecessary addition which does not add utility for our uses. The example of moving parts vs. non-moving parts is not the reason most users of "turnout" are conveying. So maybe both are synonymous terms; then why the effort to abandon the term "Switch" which EVERYONE knows simply because "Turnout" was/is used sometimes by the various non-operations departments? Regards, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" Andy Carlson wrote:
Andy is of course attempting to be funny. But the fact is, the term "turnout" is NOT, repeat NOT, just a modelers' term. It is well embedded in prototype usage, when it is necessary to distinguish between the movable part and the fixed part of the track arrangement. You can look it up. But prototype usage, both in track engineering and in signaling, tends to use the two terms as synonyms. In other words, despite Andy's snarky language, a prototype railroader would NOT be confused by the term "turnout" for a track switch. It's true that Model Railroader magazine editors, years ago, decided to refer always to track switches as turnouts, to obtain separation from electrical switches, but that does not affect the prototype language. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Silicon for attaching weights
Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
CLEAR silicone is not an adhesive (usually so warned on the label) but has an uncanny ability to simply grab onto a surface, fingers of silicone locking into any crevice, or irregularity. . The objects so joined can be resilient to mild stresses, but when separated, the silicone just peels off. This characteristic makes it quite useful in mounting new can motors in brass locomotives, and I have done so for about 20 years. . Flat featureless or painted surfaces are a recipe for failure. It is also pretty inert, probably the reason that it is commonly used to seal aquariums, and probably exactly why it has so poor adhesive qualities.
The blue Barge Cement in the small consumer tubes holds as well as the old yellow (only now available in bulk amounts). The blue is not as easy to work (more stringy-ness), but it is certainly manageable. As Tony Thompson avers, contact cements properly applied, like Barge, GOO, or Pliobond, provide incredibly strong lasting adhesion, virtually all failures that I have experienced (I have used them in modeling since the ‘50s) have been substrate failure, i.e. peeling paint, deteriorating or poor surface preparation, etc. Non destructive separation does not become an option. Canopy and Kwik Clear: Sleeper adhesives that are incredibly useful for modelers. I do think that too much may be asked of these adhesives inasmuch as they are simply not the strongest. Denny Denny S. Anspach MD Sacramento CA
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Re: Two more Gondolas with coiled end corrugations Plus a Hutchins end Gon
Eric Hansmann
John, The Monon had a number of gondolas with this kind of pressed steel end reminiscent of a Van Dorn end. If you look closely at the gondola with this end, you can make out part of MONON in the shadow near the top left corner of the car. Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On July 1, 2017 at 10:20 PM "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, STMFC@... wrote:
10b. Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656Reasonably good and an easy way to get a very common car on your layout but....weird truck mounts and the trucks themselves are pretty ghastly...very flat and with the wheel ribs *printed* on the backside of the wheels. That weird mount makes it more work than should be necessary to swap trucks. Andy Sperandeo figured out a way to do it (I think that's in the STMFC group files); when I used one of the BLI cars as a basis for a DL&W car I pitched the entire floor and used a Tichy underframe. And with that DL&W car the only parts of the BLI car I actually used were the body and the doors. The rest went in the trash as part of either upgrading or matching prototype details. I still couldn't match the oddball DL&W dreadnaught ends but that's another story all together... Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Re: Terminology
On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:20 AM, STMFC@... wrote:
And, ofA turnout discussion? On a freight car list? Now that's a switch. I'll get my hat and show myself out..... Craig Zeni "Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Bill Welch
I thought it was clunky and did not buy any as I have a stash of Westerfield kits.
Bill Welch
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Terry Link
The Westerfield site indicates that the NYC cars in the 2900 series kits are
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to be reissued: http://www.westerfieldmodels.com./118401.html Terry Link Bramalea, Ontario www.canadasouthern.com
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From: fgexbill@... [STMFC] Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/ Bill Welch
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Jeff Sankus
All I have been in contact with Westerfield( Andrew Dahm) about resurrecting the #2900 kit that builds the car in question as well as the 700 series Northampton & Bath. The #2900 kits will be available again, though Andrew did say there are a couple of projects ahead of the 2900 and he would like to "tweak" the 2900 molds. Jeff Sankus
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Don Burn
Anyone have comments on the accuracy / quality of the BLI model?
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 7:49 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656 Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/ Bill Welch
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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Bill Welch
Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/
Bill Welch
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MAIN train with passenger and equipment
John Barry
From the Barringer Unknowns Album a unit move of personnel and equipment at the Desert Training Area John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
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Re: Silicon for attaching weights
nvrr49@...
Liquid Nails Clear Silicone ADHESIVE. http://www.liquidnails.com/en-US/products/green-glue-LN207?wt.mc_id=ln17ps-b&wt.tsrc=Paid%20Search&gclid=CJfXkuK_6tQCFUK4wAod3nAA3A
Having worked for Liquid Nails, it is an adhesive. Just about every manufacturer of caulks and adhesives makes a similar product. Kent Hurley KC, MO nvrr49.blogspot.com
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Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Rupert, but I don't model the war years but shortly thereafter. Understandbly that during the war many of the only system-wide used cars came into the pool for nation-wide use to ease an speed-up traffic.
Many greetings
Johannes
Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. Juli 2017 um 03:57 Uhr
Von: "'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@... [STMFC]" An: STMFC@... Betreff: RE: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
There is a note in the 1943-1945 ORER’s in respect of all CB&Q (and presumably other companies’) company service tank cars -
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Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2017 1:20 p.m. To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
Johannes,
That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT. Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line. They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
vapeurchapelon
Many thanks, Bruce. One more issue: -for how long would the lettering M.K.&T.Ry have been in use? All engines and rolling stock I have seen at pictures of the transition era were lettered just MKT or "The Katy" - but I am by now means an expert on this.
Many greetings
Johannes
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Von: "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" An: "STMFC@..." Betreff: Re: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
Johannes,
That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT. Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line. They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of j.markwart@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:00 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering Hello friends, I found the following offer of a W&R tank car: http://www.ebay.de/itm/M-K-T-Katy-High-Walkway-Tank-Car-1-Dome-W-R-Enterprises-AC-F-6-000-GAL/282541463687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 -which in my eyes looks very nice and just needs weathering. But as I have even less knowledge about tank cars compared to other cars, I have the following questions: - is this a prototypical paint job correct for this car? - does it match my time frame of late 1940s to early 1950s? - could this car be seen in a(ny) typical freight train, or is it something special (e. g. fuel car mostly sitting in a depot, etc.)? Many thanks Johannes
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Treasure trove of SoCal MAIN trains in Barringer Collection
John Barry
EXTRA 3741 with hooded class lights This is only one of more than a dozen wartime photos Barringer took in October 1942. They are in the Flicker album Barringer Unknowns If you are interested in MAIN trains or how southern California looked during WWII, this grab bag of 602 otherwise uncatagorized photos is worth scrolling through. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
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Re: Silicon for attaching weights
I have used Dap clear silicon adhesive to stick plastic miniature switches to homemade metal snap switch machines for well over 10 years and have never had a failure. I think clamping the items together is the reason for success. It also works well glueing figures to the layout, just peal them off if you want to move them.
Ron Christensen
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Freda MAIN Train from Barringer Collection
John Barry
Date on the photo is 26 Oct 1942. Freda was an unloading point for the Desert Training Area on the Santa Fe's Parker District. Note the empty flats to the left and the MAIN train on the right. Can anyone ID the type of car below the A in FREDA? It looks to me to have paired windows, making it neither a Pullman sleeper nor any type of ATSF car. John Barry Lovettsville, VA John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
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