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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Craig Zeni
 

On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:39 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

10b. Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656
Posted by: "Don Burn" burn@... don_burn
Date: Sun Jul 2, 2017 4:51 am ((PDT))

Anyone have comments on the accuracy / quality of the BLI model?
Reasonably good and an easy way to get a very common car on your layout but....weird truck mounts and the trucks themselves are pretty ghastly...very flat and with the wheel ribs *printed* on the backside of the wheels. That weird mount makes it more work than should be necessary to swap trucks. Andy Sperandeo figured out a way to do it (I think that's in the STMFC group files); when I used one of the BLI cars as a basis for a DL&W car I pitched the entire floor and used a Tichy underframe. And with that DL&W car the only parts of the BLI car I actually used were the body and the doors. The rest went in the trash as part of either upgrading or matching prototype details. I still couldn't match the oddball DL&W dreadnaught ends but that's another story all together...

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Terminology

Craig Zeni
 

On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:20 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

And, of
course, what do you think about the term "Turnout"?

Mike Brock
A turnout discussion? On a freight car list? Now that's a switch.

I'll get my hat and show myself out.....


Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Bill Welch
 

I thought it was clunky and did not buy any as I have a stash of Westerfield kits.

Bill Welch


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Terry Link
 

The Westerfield site indicates that the NYC cars in the 2900 series kits are
to be reissued:

http://www.westerfieldmodels.com./118401.html


Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com

-----Original Message-----
From: fgexbill@... [STMFC]

Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales
of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/

Bill Welch


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Jeff Sankus
 

All
I have been in contact with Westerfield( Andrew Dahm) about resurrecting the #2900 kit that builds the car in question as well as the 700 series Northampton & Bath. The #2900 kits will be available again, though Andrew did say there are a couple of projects ahead of the 2900 and he would like to "tweak" the 2900 molds.

Jeff Sankus

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 7:49 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/


Bill Welch



Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Don Burn
 

Anyone have comments on the accuracy / quality of the BLI model?

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 7:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656



Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/

Bill Welch


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars was NYC S98656

Bill Welch
 

Makes sense as the styrene Broadway Limited release would have killed sales of a resin kit. Maybe it will be available again at some point/

Bill Welch


MAIN train with passenger and equipment

John Barry
 

From the Barringer Unknowns Album a unit move of personnel and equipment at the Desert Training Area



 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Silicon for attaching weights

nvrr49@...
 

Liquid Nails Clear Silicone ADHESIVE. http://www.liquidnails.com/en-US/products/green-glue-LN207?wt.mc_id=ln17ps-b&wt.tsrc=Paid%20Search&gclid=CJfXkuK_6tQCFUK4wAod3nAA3A

Having worked for Liquid Nails, it is an adhesive. Just about every manufacturer of caulks and adhesives makes a similar product.

Kent Hurley
KC, MO
nvrr49.blogspot.com


Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Rupert, but I don't model the war years but shortly thereafter. Understandbly that during the war many of the only system-wide used cars came into the pool for nation-wide use to ease an speed-up traffic.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. Juli 2017 um 03:57 Uhr
Von: "'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@... [STMFC]"
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: RE: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
 

 

There is a note in the 1943-1945 ORER’s in respect of all CB&Q (and presumably other companies’) company service tank cars -

“Cars in series 230000-231601 are temporarily assigned to commercial service and are on mileage basis effective March 1, 1943 as covered by A. A. R. Circular T-117-L.”

So, if you were modelling this period ………

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2017 1:20 p.m.
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

 

Johannes,

 

That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT.  Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line.  They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


Re: questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks, Bruce. One more issue: -for how long would the lettering M.K.&T.Ry have been in use? All engines and rolling stock I have seen at pictures of the transition era were lettered just MKT or "The Katy" - but I am by now means an expert on this.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. Juli 2017 um 03:19 Uhr
Von: "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC@..."
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Johannes,

 

That car would really probably only be appropriate for someone modeling MKT.  Railroad owned tanks cars rarely if ever made it off line.  They were typically in some sort of company service, although a small number were used in commercial interchange service.

 

Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of j.markwart@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 4:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] questions regarding H0 scale W&R tank car, specific offering
 


Hello friends,

I found the following offer of a W&R tank car:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M-K-T-Katy-High-Walkway-Tank-Car-1-Dome-W-R-Enterprises-AC-F-6-000-GAL/282541463687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

-which in my eyes looks very nice and just needs weathering.
But as I have even less knowledge about tank cars compared to other cars, I have the following questions:
- is this a prototypical paint job correct for this car?
- does it match my time frame of late 1940s to early 1950s?
- could this car be seen in a(ny) typical freight train, or is it something special (e. g. fuel car mostly sitting in a depot, etc.)?

Many thanks

Johannes
 
 

 


Treasure trove of SoCal MAIN trains in Barringer Collection

John Barry
 




EXTRA 3741 with hooded class lights

This is only one of more than a dozen wartime photos Barringer took in October 1942.  They are in the Flicker album Barringer Unknowns


If you are interested in MAIN trains or how southern California looked during WWII, this grab bag of 602 otherwise uncatagorized photos is worth scrolling through.


 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: Silicon for attaching weights

ron christensen
 

I have used Dap clear silicon adhesive to stick plastic miniature switches to homemade metal  snap switch machines for well over 10 years and have never had a failure. I think clamping the items together is the reason for success. It also works well glueing figures to the layout, just peal them off if you want  to move them.
Ron Christensen


Freda MAIN Train from Barringer Collection

John Barry
 


Date on the photo is 26 Oct 1942.  Freda was an unloading point for the Desert Training Area on the Santa Fe's Parker District.

Note the empty flats to the left and the MAIN train on the right.  Can anyone ID the type of car below the A in FREDA?  It looks to me to have paired windows, making it neither a Pullman sleeper nor any type of ATSF car.

John Barry
Lovettsville, VA



 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Ventilated Express Boxcar: FEC 639

thecitrusbelt@...
 

From the Florida Memory website:

 

https://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/146995

 

Taken in 1959.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Terminology

Chuck Soule
 

I just took a gander through the index to Mel Iszley's Northern Pacific standard plans in the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archive collection.  His collection has a few plans for track components from the 1900 - 1915 era, and they use both "switch" and "turnout".  There are not enough plans and enough time span for me to interpret a nuance in the choice between the two terms.

Chuck Soule


Re: Turnout Terminology

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Carlson wrote:

 
Let the industry's practitioners define the terms. RR turnout jobs, head and rear turnout men, throw the turnout on the main, and my favorite--Turnout stands.
Switches are little chromium toggles for electricity! (snark)

    Andy is of course attempting to be funny. But the fact is, the term "turnout" is NOT, repeat NOT, just a modelers' term. It is well embedded in prototype usage, when it is necessary to distinguish between the movable part and the fixed part of the track arrangement. You can look it up. But prototype usage, both in track engineering and in signaling, tends to use the two terms as synonyms. In other words, despite Andy's snarky language, a prototype railroader would NOT be confused by the term "turnout" for a track switch.
    It's true that Model Railroader magazine editors, years ago, decided to refer always to track switches as turnouts, to obtain separation from electrical switches, but that does not affect the prototype language. 

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Re: Terminology

Charles Peck
 



On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


​ 


Of perhaps more interest to us, I can hardly wait to see the arguments
favoring "solid, plain and friction" bearings on our freight cars. And, of
course, what do you think about the term "Turnout"?

Mike Brock

​ Being known as a nonconformist or a gadfly (depending on your agreement with me),  I often use

​the term "babbitt bearing".  Or I might tell someone that crummy needs some brasses changed.

As for "turnout", I saw South Louisville Shops turnout a lot of rebuilt two bay hoppers.

Chuck Peck  (hiding somewhere in the redwoods this summer)
 





Two more Gondolas with coiled end corrugations Plus a Hutchins end Gon

John Barry
 

Two more of this distinctive end, spotted next to a composite gon with a Hutchins end.



 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 6:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Gondola with coiled end corrugation

 


In the Wabash album of the Barrenger collection is this gondola with a very unusual end corrugation.  Looks like a coiled form was used to press the continuous corregation.  Any ideas whose car this is?  The same pattern end is on the opposite end as you can see the hollow side.  I think I found a project for my vaccuform!
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



Re: Reefers at Unknown Location on the SP

rwitt_2000
 

Note: the image is flipped.  Bob Witt

46321 - 46340 of 197075