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Re: Decals

James SANDIFER
 

The Santa Fe Society has these in stock, $4 per set. Contact Jonathan Moore, jbnanmoore@.... I just did one myself.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 4:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Decals

 

 

I am looking for white Santa Fe passenger car style lettering to letter my wooden mineral brown coach, baggage and caboose car.  Microscale doesn't have what I need.  Besides the "Santa Fe" I need "Baggage" and "Railway Express. Agency, Inc."  Any suggestions?

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Jared Harper

Athens, GA

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

Rod Miller
 

When building several SP flat cars, I noticed the brake
staff was square. I presume that was to allow vertical movement
of the staff, e.g., lowered to below the deck surface, but
retain effectiveness of the wheel. See Thompson's SP Freight
Cars Vol 3. p 252, top photo.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
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Re: Decals

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Jared,

Check out the SFRH&MS "company store". I believe that they have what you are looking for. I purchased some sets while attending the Santa Fe convention in Tulsa in late June.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I am looking for white Santa Fe passenger car style lettering to letter my wooden mineral brown coach, baggage and caboose car.  Microscale doesn't have what I need.  Besides the "Santa Fe" I need "Baggage" and "Railway Express. Agency, Inc."  Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Automobile Shipping

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, RJ, I am in the process of building a model of a box car that was built in January 1942 as an automobile car. It’s definitely a 10’-6” IH car, but it’s even labeled on the side as a 10’-4” IH car because it was originally equipped with racks, reducing the clear IH by 2”. So the railroads anticipated shipping automobiles in box cars at least into the early 40s.



They didn’t ship many, of course, because most auto manufacturers were converting their factories to make war materiel.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping





Thanks Bruce,

I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn! Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars.

A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading.

So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time? I figured there would be more images out there if they were.

Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire.

Thx,

RJ Dial

Burlingame, CA



---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

​RJ,



There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page. There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position.



A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information.



Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

_____

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping





I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's. Are there any? From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then.

Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example?

RJ Dial

Burlingame, CA







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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

Bill Welch
 

Thanks Edward, I dug a little deeper and made an offer for this item w/free shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111326669989?ul_noapp=true

I will probably buy a dedicated set of cutters. First boxcar to get the square wire will be an Erie 1932 steel boxcar.

Bill Welch

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

A square brake shaft on the "B" end of a boxcar would be vey cool I think.

Bill Welch
=======================

Careful with assumptions, Bill. I've looked at a lot of drawings, and more than a few surviving cars, and don't recall ever seeing square stock specified for a vertical brake staff. The tapered square end that fit the brake wheel was easy enough to forge on round stock.

Where square stock was universally used was drop brakes on flatcars, since the whole staff had to slip through the ratchet wheel, and should be functional at any point between fully raised to fully retracted.

Special Shapes Co. used to have .020" square brass, which at a scale 1.75" square, was about the perfect size. I used some on a flatcar model years ago.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Automobile Shipping

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

RJ,

Here are links to some N&W auto cars:

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2856

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2904

https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2905

These photos show the Evans auto racks ready for loading on the car floor and stowed to the roof for non-auto loading.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Decals

Jared Harper
 

I am looking for white Santa Fe passenger car style lettering to letter my wooden mineral brown coach, baggage and caboose car.  Microscale doesn't have what I need.  Besides the "Santa Fe" I need "Baggage" and "Railway Express. Agency, Inc."  Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Tank car retainer valve location

Louis C. Whiteley
 

On an ACF drawing I purchased, it was on a bracket attached to the diagonal brace between the corner and the center sill/body bolster junction.  Mounted vertically, it protruded just above the end platform.

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville N


On Jul 9, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Where was the retainer valve located on tank cars? I have been looking through Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual:  Tank Cars looking for pictures showing the valve location.  I think I see a valve peeking up at the end of the car on p.52.   I think I might see another one on a SCOX car on p. 65.  I might seen another on GATX 24126 on p. 104.  Was there a standard location and how was it plumbed?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Automobile Shipping

al.kresse
 

For looking at C&O and N&W photos it is not that unusual to find pictures of portions of the auto unloading docks with ramps next to the team track.  Unfortunately, photographers focused on the adjacent depots.  These ramped-docks are rarely captioned in the photo credits.  The station history cards for changes many times list removal of the team track and docks.  Ramps would be erected for end-door unloadings.


After WW2, folks were allowed to arrange through their dealer to pick up their cars at the assembly plants and save the shipping charges.  My uncle, working in a dealership shop, living in Washington would take the train to Flint, Michigan, and then drive the family back through his old home in South Dakota in their new car.


Trucking new cars longer distances became more common in the mid-50's.


Al Kresse

On July 9, 2017 at 4:26 PM "radiodial@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Thanks Bruce,

I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn!  Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars.
A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading.
So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time?  I figured there would be more images out there if they were.
Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire.
Thx,
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

RJ,


There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page.  There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position.


A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping
 


I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's.  Are there any?  From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then.

Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example?

RJ Dial

Burlingame, CA



 

 


 

Tank car retainer valve location

Jared Harper
 

Where was the retainer valve located on tank cars? I have been looking through Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual:  Tank Cars looking for pictures showing the valve location.  I think I see a valve peeking up at the end of the car on p.52.   I think I might see another one on a SCOX car on p. 65.  I might seen another on GATX 24126 on p. 104.  Was there a standard location and how was it plumbed?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

Tim O'Connor
 


A Google search for square wire finds sizes down to 30 gauge which is
0.010 instead of 0.016 - quite a difference in HO scale!

Tim O'



Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits

Andy Carlson
 

I have not yet mastered the skills necessary to respond to notes I have never received.......
The 2 R-30-16 kits are sold and are in the US mail as I type.
-Andy



From: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:34 PM
Subject: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits

 
Group, of course this was not intended to go to the group... I apologize.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juli 2017 um 22:31 Uhr
Von: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
 
 
Hello Andy,
 
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC YahooGroup"
Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
 
 
Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy
 
 
 


Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits

vapeurchapelon
 

Group, of course this was not intended to go to the group... I apologize.
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juli 2017 um 22:31 Uhr
Von: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]"
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
 

 

Hello Andy,
 
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC YahooGroup"
Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
 

 

Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy

 

 

 

Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Andy,
 
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
 
Many thanks and regards
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]"
An: "STMFC YahooGroup"
Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
 

 

Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy

 

Re: Automobile Shipping

radiodial868
 

Thanks Bruce,
I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn!  Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars.
A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading.
So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time?  I figured there would be more images out there if they were.
Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire.
Thx,
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA


---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

​RJ,


There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page.  There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position.


A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping
 


I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's.  Are there any?  From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then.

Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example?

RJ Dial

Burlingame, CA



Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

spsalso
 

Re: WTB HO InterMountain 40-foot Underframe

Bill Welch
 

I was not being picky as I can adapt anything

Bill Welch

Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs

Bill Welch
 

Until recently I was unaware the ExactRail had done a 42-ft General Steel Castings flat car and the Revenue Service schemes are sold, but I was able to find one very reasonable on Ebay. Since purchase I have replaced their Cheesy deck parts w/one from AMB. It is a very nice model and the paint and stenciling is very sharp and I am sure it is good as Dick Harley helped them.

The handbrake shaft was broken and this morning I clipped it all the way off and drilled the brake wheel for a brass shaft. The Exactrail shaft was square and this got me to thinking it would be so evil if there was square wire available at around .015". Does anyone know if such a thing exists? I Googled and did find Jewelry sites with square material but it is too large and on a spool to boot.

A square brake shaft on the "B" end of a boxcar would be vey cool I think.

Bill Welch

Re: CNW14599.jpg

Charlie Vlk
 


Jim
The car in question has a normal door covered with paper or sheet of some other material tacked to it with strips of wood....not a solid reefer or plug door.
Charlie Vlk 


On Jul 5, 2017, at 12:26 PM, jimbetz@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


  I was searching the web and found an image of the subject car - on a CNW blogspot -

and it looks like a stock car ... wait for it ... with a reefer/plug door!  Strange to say the

least.

                                                                                                                       - Jim B.


http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012_12_01_archive.html


  This will take a considerable amount of scrolling and waiting to find the image.

You would probably find it quicker just doing a google search for the subject

line.