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Re: Automobile Shipping
RJ
From the Misc Album Empty N&W car N&W car with a car loaded
On the web a search of "Loading automobile boxcar" got plenty of photos.
Yes these cars were used for this traffic very frequently. The time frame starts shortly after the automobile became popular and lasted into the mid to late 1950s. Post WWII, the traffic tapered off with other modes of delivery starting to take precedence.
Some automobile cars had end doors that made them useful for loads that wouldn't fit in the racks (and not all automobile cars had end doors). Among the more popular cargos were fire engines, and even airplanes,. In fact the Army's movies of the very first
US jet airplane show it being delivered in an end door automobile car.
See Tony's excellent blog for a good discussion and a photo of an Aeronica airplane being loaded. http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2015/12/delivering-loads-from-automobile-cars.html
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 3:26 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping Thanks Bruce, I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn! Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message
history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars.
A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading.
So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time? I figured there would be more images out there if they were.
Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire.
Thx,
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA
---In STMFC@..., wrote : RJ,
There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page. There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position.
A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information.
Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL From: STMFC@... on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC]
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's. Are there any? From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then. Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example? RJ Dial Burlingame, CA
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Contact info for David Sieber-Reno NV
Andy Carlson
I have misplaced Davids phone number for his Reno residence. Can anyone help me by supplying this request? Thanks, -Andy
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Re: Decals
Steve SANDIFER
The Santa Fe Society has these in stock, $4 per set. Contact Jonathan Moore, jbnanmoore@.... I just did one myself.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 4:29 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Decals
I am looking for white Santa Fe passenger car style lettering to letter my wooden mineral brown coach, baggage and caboose car. Microscale doesn't have what I need. Besides the "Santa Fe" I need "Baggage" and "Railway Express. Agency, Inc." Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
Rod Miller
When building several SP flat cars, I noticed the brake
staff was square. I presume that was to allow vertical movement of the staff, e.g., lowered to below the deck surface, but retain effectiveness of the wheel. See Thompson's SP Freight Cars Vol 3. p 252, top photo. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2018 Meet is May 24 - 26 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com
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Re: Decals
Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
Jared, Check out the SFRH&MS "company store". I believe that they have what you are looking for. I purchased some sets while attending the Santa Fe convention in Tulsa in late June. Cheers & Happy Modeling, Bill Keene Irvine, CA
On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Schuyler Larrabee
Well, RJ, I am in the process of building a model of a box car that was built in January 1942 as an automobile car. It’s definitely a 10’-6” IH car, but it’s even labeled on the side as a 10’-4” IH car because it was originally equipped with racks, reducing the clear IH by 2”. So the railroads anticipated shipping automobiles in box cars at least into the early 40s.
They didn’t ship many, of course, because most auto manufacturers were converting their factories to make war materiel. Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 4:26 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping Thanks Bruce, I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn! Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars. A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading. So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time? I figured there would be more images out there if they were. Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire. Thx, RJ Dial Burlingame, CA ---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote : RJ, There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page. There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position. A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL _____ From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's. Are there any? From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then. Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example? RJ Dial Burlingame, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
Bill Welch
Thanks Edward, I dug a little deeper and made an offer for this item w/free shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111326669989?ul_noapp=true
I will probably buy a dedicated set of cutters. First boxcar to get the square wire will be an Erie 1932 steel boxcar. Bill Welch
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote : A square brake shaft on the "B" end of a boxcar would be vey cool I think. Bill Welch ======================= Careful with assumptions, Bill. I've looked at a lot of drawings, and more than a few surviving cars, and don't recall ever seeing square stock specified for a vertical brake staff. The tapered square end that fit the brake wheel was easy enough to forge on round stock. Where square stock was universally used was drop brakes on flatcars, since the whole staff had to slip through the ratchet wheel, and should be functional at any point between fully raised to fully retracted. Special Shapes Co. used to have .020" square brass, which at a scale 1.75" square, was about the perfect size. I used some on a flatcar model years ago. Dennis Storzek
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
RJ,
Here are links to some N&W auto cars: https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2856 https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2904 https://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/image_viewer.php?q=NS2905 These photos show the Evans auto racks ready for loading on the car floor and stowed to the roof for non-auto loading. Yours Aye, Garth Groff
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Decals
Jared Harper
I am looking for white Santa Fe passenger car style lettering to letter my wooden mineral brown coach, baggage and caboose car. Microscale doesn't have what I need. Besides the "Santa Fe" I need "Baggage" and "Railway Express. Agency, Inc." Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help. Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Tank car retainer valve location
LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
On an ACF drawing I purchased, it was on a bracket attached to the diagonal brace between the corner and the center sill/body bolster junction. Mounted vertically, it protruded just above the end platform. Lou Whiteley Lawrenceville N
On Jul 9, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
For looking at C&O and N&W photos it is not that unusual to find pictures of portions of the auto unloading docks with ramps next to the team track. Unfortunately, photographers focused on the adjacent depots. These ramped-docks are rarely captioned in the photo credits. The station history cards for changes many times list removal of the team track and docks. Ramps would be erected for end-door unloadings. After WW2, folks were allowed to arrange through their dealer to pick up their cars at the assembly plants and save the shipping charges. My uncle, working in a dealership shop, living in Washington would take the train to Flint, Michigan, and then drive the family back through his old home in South Dakota in their new car. Trucking new cars longer distances became more common in the mid-50's. Al Kresse
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Tank car retainer valve location
Jared Harper
Where was the retainer valve located on tank cars? I have been looking through Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual: Tank Cars looking for pictures showing the valve location. I think I see a valve peeking up at the end of the car on p.52. I think I might see another one on a SCOX car on p. 65. I might seen another on GATX 24126 on p. 104. Was there a standard location and how was it plumbed? Jared Harper Athens, GA
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
A Google search for square wire finds sizes down to 30 gauge which is 0.010 instead of 0.016 - quite a difference in HO scale! Tim O'
Perhaps this:
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Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits
Andy Carlson
I have not yet mastered the skills necessary to respond to notes I have never received....... The 2 R-30-16 kits are sold and are in the US mail as I type. -Andy
From: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:34 PM Subject: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits Group, of course this was not intended to go to the group... I apologize.
Johannes
Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juli 2017 um 22:31 Uhr
Von: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> An: STMFC@... Betreff: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits Hello Andy,
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
Many thanks and regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]" An: "STMFC YahooGroup" Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy
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Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits
vapeurchapelon
Group, of course this was not intended to go to the group... I apologize.
Johannes
Gesendet: Sonntag, 09. Juli 2017 um 22:31 Uhr
Von: "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" An: STMFC@... Betreff: Aw: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
Hello Andy,
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
Many thanks and regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]" An: "STMFC YahooGroup" Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy
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Re: SOLD: R-30-16 kits
vapeurchapelon
Hello Andy,
am I correct with the assumption that I was not the first interested party because you still didn't reply to my note?
Many thanks and regards
Johannes
Gesendet: Samstag, 08. Juli 2017 um 00:38 Uhr
Von: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]" An: "STMFC YahooGroup" Betreff: [STMFC] SOLD: R-30-16 kits
Gone,
Thanks,
-Andy
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Re: Automobile Shipping
radiodial868
Thanks Bruce,
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I've seen the replies in the past that the info is in conversation history and in the photos section, and I think "what a newbie". Until now when it is my turn! Ya know, I searched all 3 "Misc" and "Miscellaneous" folders, plus searched prior message history back to 2001. Nada. Did find a scan of an auto-rack loading damage form though in the photo section. Lots of pictures of model Auto cars. A Google search found 2 pictures of actual boxcar loading in the 30's-40's, but no unloading. So maybe the question is, were Automobile boxcars actually used to deliver cars from the factory to the dealers for any length of time? I figured there would be more images out there if they were. Attempting to keep the rolling stock fleet balanced and find a use of all these automobile boxcars I tend to build/acquire. Thx, RJ Dial Burlingame, CA ---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote : RJ, There are several photos in the Miscellaneous album on the group page. There include an N&W automobile car with the Evans loaders down and in position to receive a car as well as a photo with the car loaded in the upper position. A search of the Conversations of this group will also yield much more information. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of radiodial@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:58 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Automobile Shipping I've never actually seen pictures of loading/unloading of driveable cars in Automobile boxcars. Mainly interested in the 1930s-1940's. Are there any? From period newspaper accounts I gather that is how the cars were delivered to the far flung dealers in towns across America then. Follow-up question is would the boxcars have been only from railroad(s) that served that manufacturing plant? For example, Yarmouth's nice looking CPR Automobile boxcar, would you expect to see it delivering cars only from factories that the CPR served? Or could it end up loaded with cars from Detroit for example? RJ Dial Burlingame, CA
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
spsalso
Perhaps this:
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Re: WTB HO InterMountain 40-foot Underframe
Bill Welch
I was not being picky as I can adapt anything
Bill Welch
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