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Re: 1938 Idaho reefer traffic
Allen Montgomery
I would venture to guess that most of this was headed south. The reason being that they built the Twin Falls/Wells Branch to interchange with the SP for S.F. bound traffic as it cut off almost 200 miles via Ogden. Plus there was never a lot of that traffic pattern, which is why the branch was abandoned. Allen
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
Guy, Your eyes are better than mine! I may need you to read some pool cards on box cars also. Thanx! Al Kresse
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Guy Wilber
Bob wrote,
"After some contrast and brightness manipulation the lettering in the white band looks like "R&NO", which makes little or no sense." Upon closer examination you will see an "X" stenciled within the white stripe (to the left). An indication that the loaders were modified or upgraded to meet traffic conditions. If you replace the "&" with an "E" the stencil may read, "RENOVATED". After WWII large numbers of loaders were in disrepair and were the direct result of damage to automobiles as well as a number of injuries to workers loading and unloading vehicles. The AAR (via the Freight Claims and Mechanical Divisions) issued several orders from early 1946 thru 1948 to owning railroads calling attention to the great number of cars equipped with faulty equipment. Repairs, upgrades and new installations were essential to maintaining the automobile traffic. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Guy Wilber
Schuyler wrote:
"Well, RJ, I am in the process of building a model of a box car that was built in January 1942 as an automobile car. It’s definitely a 10’-6” IH car, but it’s even labeled on the side as a 10’-4” IH car because it was originally equipped with racks, reducing the clear IH by 2”." I would check the notes within the ORER regarding the car you are modeling. The IH stenciled on the car would reflect the height at the eves (with the loaders in the loading position). With the racks in the stowed position the inside height would be reduced by 8 to 10 inches depending on the frame design of the loaders. "So the railroads anticipated shipping automobiles in box cars at least into the early 40s. They didn’t ship many, of course, because most auto manufacturers were converting their factories to make war materiel." Automobile production was ceased in February of 1942. There were autos available to consumers for a few months, but they were sold subject to restrictions and rail shipments dried up quickly over the next couple months. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Guy Wilber
Bob wrote: "I assume this stencil "8E" is the designation for the car pool the cars belongs to."
Evans Auto Loader; Type E, 8 floor tubes. Likely a 40' Auto Car. Typically, the lettering within the white stripe would be the height of the car at the highest point of the roof. I can't make out what is stenciled within this photo. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: 1938 Idaho reefer traffic
John Barry
Potatoes were indeed a significant San Joaquin crop. In 1943 and 1942 the agencies at Stockton originated 2054 carloads of potatoes out of 9661 total originating carloads, Holt 254/805, Middle River 2451/2602, Orwood 447/553. Even larger numbers originated in the South Valley at Wasco, Shafter and Edison. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736 96
From: "'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:26 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] 1938 Idaho reefer traffic Hi Don,
But it could also be read as everything came off the SP which could mean those Idahos were Russets from California or Oregon. A lot of potatoes were grown in the ultra soft soil of the Sacramento delta (huge amt of Asparagus farming there too), largely on Japanese-American farms. Dave Nelson From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:34 PM I came across this random item about refrigerator traffic through Ogden, Utah, in 1938. It appears that the Idaho traffic is likely bound for California over the SP, or over the LA&SL, since eastbound traffic on the OSL would be routed via Montpelier, Idaho, and Granger, Wyoming, and not through Ogden. August 21, 1938 "Refrigerator Traffic" "Pacific Fruit Express reports about 300 refrigerator cars of fruit moving into Ogden on the Southern Pacific daily. This figure, 10 per cent above the similar period last year, is expected to continue into the last of September, when it will increase to around 500 per day." "At present, about 50 of the daily 300 are grapes. Idaho potatoes make up 100 cars, and onions, green peas, and other products bring the Idaho movements to 135 cars daily." (Ogden Standard Examiner, August 21, 1938) Don Strack
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Re: Automobile Shipping
rwitt_2000
Does the lettering visible on the door of any help? I assume this stencil "8E" is the designation for the car pool the cars belongs to.
After some contrast and brightness manipulation the lettering in the white band looks like "R&NO", which makes little or no sense. Regards, Bob Witt
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Re: 1938 Idaho reefer traffic
Dave Nelson
Hi Don,
But it could also be read as everything came off the SP which could mean those Idahos were Russets from California or Oregon. A lot of potatoes were grown in the ultra soft soil of the Sacramento delta (huge amt of Asparagus farming there too), largely on Japanese-American farms. Dave Nelson From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:34 PM I came across this random item about refrigerator traffic through Ogden, Utah, in 1938. It appears that the Idaho traffic is likely bound for California over the SP, or over the LA&SL, since eastbound traffic on the OSL would be routed via Montpelier, Idaho, and Granger, Wyoming, and not through Ogden. August 21, 1938 "Refrigerator Traffic" "Pacific Fruit Express reports about 300 refrigerator cars of fruit moving into Ogden on the Southern Pacific daily. This figure, 10 per cent above the similar period last year, is expected to continue into the last of September, when it will increase to around 500 per day." "At present, about 50 of the daily 300 are grapes. Idaho potatoes make up 100 cars, and onions, green peas, and other products bring the Idaho movements to 135 cars daily." (Ogden Standard Examiner, August 21, 1938) Don Strack
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Schuyler Larrabee
The doors. That’s why I said “I am not >completely< sure, I think I can rule out the ERIE.”
I could be wrong, but that’s my impression. Schuyler From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:02 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Automobile Shipping Schuyler, I am wondering how you so quickly eliminated it. From the photos I have, Erie 98200-98699 seems darn close and had racks at certain times. Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media speedwitchmedia@gmail.com - www.speedwitchmedia.com Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Ted Culotta
Schuyler, I am wondering how you so quickly eliminated it. From the photos I have, Erie 98200-98699 seems darn close and had racks at certain times. Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Schuyler Larrabee
Ted,
While I am not >completely< sure, I think I can rule out the ERIE as owner of that freight car (not to be confused with the automobile). BTW, if you want to look at the shot again, Chris was referencing a shot he included in his interesting blog: http://blog.thevalleylocal.net/2016/01/wordless-wednesday-104.html Schuyler From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:39 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Automobile Shipping Chris, My initial guess would be Erie, Chesapeake & Ohio or Pere Marquette and less likely, Norfolk Southern. There are other potential matches with the Viking roof and early Camel Roller Lift fixtures, too, including WLE (rebuilt cars) although I'd have to do more research to see if any match this car. Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media speedwitchmedia@gmail.com - www.speedwitchmedia.com Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Hormel reefers question
Nelson Moyer
Stan told me he's used Armour Yellow for his BREX cars. I don't know how Hormel differed.
Nelson Moyer
On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Pierre Oliver
pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Michigan Central Decals
Doug Chapman
I need a set of Michigan Central decals to complete an HO scale USRA SS Box Car. Does anyone have an extra set of Westerfield's D3312 decals that they are willing to sell? Michigan Central had 1000 of these cars. Lot 380-B numbered 80000-80499, built 1919 Lot 405-B numbered 80500-80999. built 1919 Thanks, Doug Chapman Montclair, VA
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1938 Idaho reefer traffic
Don Strack
I came across this random item about refrigerator traffic through Ogden, Utah, in 1938. It appears that the Idaho traffic is likely bound for California over the SP, or over the LA&SL, since eastbound traffic on the OSL would be routed via Montpelier, Idaho, and Granger, Wyoming, and not through Ogden. August 21, 1938 "Refrigerator Traffic" "Pacific Fruit Express reports about 300 refrigerator cars of fruit moving into Ogden on the Southern Pacific daily. This figure, 10 per cent above the similar period last year, is expected to continue into the last of September, when it will increase to around 500 per day." "At present, about 50 of the daily 300 are grapes. Idaho potatoes make up 100 cars, and onions, green peas, and other products bring the Idaho movements to 135 cars daily." (Ogden Standard Examiner, August 21, 1938) Don Strack
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Hormel reefers question
Pierre Oliver
Hi,
I have a quintet of those Stan Rydarowicz mini kits to build, and I'm wondering about colors. What color is the roof? ANd does someone have a suggestion for the side yellow Thanks -- Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs
Through hole type LED's have square wire leads. With the one I have in front of me, the leads measure .018 square. 1.10" long.
Aaron Gjermundson
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Banana shipments from Charleston, SC
George Eichelberger
Several people have asked to see the "Charleston, SC banana traffic" clinic I did at CCB some time ago. For anyone interested the Google Drive link is: I'd appreciate any comments, and any sources of additional information anyone may have on bananas, and all kinds of perishable traffic in the eastern US 1940-1960. PS Someone might consider using one of the Internet meeting services to show selected RPM sessions, either live or recorded.
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Re: Automobile Shipping
Ted Culotta
Chris, My initial guess would be Erie, Chesapeake & Ohio or Pere Marquette and less likely, Norfolk Southern. There are other potential matches with the Viking roof and early Camel Roller Lift fixtures, too, including WLE (rebuilt cars) although I'd have to do more research to see if any match this car. Cheers, Ted Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media
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Re: Decals
Jared Harper
Steve,
Thanks for your help. Jared Harper
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Re: Automobile Shipping
George Eichelberger
Jonathan:
Thank you very much for the kind words! I have been presenting various subjects to several RPM sessions now for more than ten years. I have come to think that they are the absolute best places to exchange information and meet people that are the true experts of the subject matter. I had to miss Collinsville this year due to some class 5 repairs (new hip) but I’d like to suggest to everyone to make the effort to go to a RPM. Sit in on a clinic that you may not think you’d be particularly interested in, you might be surprised. Ike To avoid STMFC jail, let me mention ice refrigerator cars and banana shipments out of the Port of Charleston. That is a presentation from the CCB, FL RPM (one of the best) a year or so ago. I’ll be glad to put it on Google Drive for people to download if anyone is interested. The SRHA archives has the consists of years worth of banana trains to the Midwest, northeast and south after WWII.
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