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Re: Looking for "Lift Here—T o Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

hubert mask
 

Milwaukee Road combo door 40'.  88-232

Cotton Belt 40'.  Box car. 87-322

Hubert Mask 


On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:40 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I must confess that I don't know how to search the Mask Island website by SKU #. I see that each product *has* such a number, when I call it up; but finding a particular number has me buffaloed.

-- baffled, hornswoggled, etc. --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Looking for "Lift Here—T o Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

al_brown03
 

I must confess that I don't know how to search the Mask Island website by SKU #. I see that each product *has* such a number, when I call it up; but finding a particular number has me buffaloed.

-- baffled, hornswoggled, etc. --

-- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Looking for "Lift Here—To Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

Bill Welch
 

That would be great Hubert but just tried searching by those numbers on your site and this function did not ID any sets w/either number, so they are not helpful. Maybe you could tell me which sets they are and I can try to find them. Notice you are still NOT putting a link to your website in your messages when you refer to your products.

Bill Welch


Re: Looking for "Lift Here—To Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

hubert mask
 

I have 2 decals set 87-232 and 87-322 that have that data on the cars.  

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc.


On Jul 24, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Hubert Mask maskisland@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Tim.  Is that for the 6 foot door with the vertical lift bar in the middle of the door at the bottom?   If so I have several 40' Decals with that.  I believe

Maybe not the road name however. 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc


On Jul 24, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 



Bill - can you post a photo of that "Lift Here" lettering ? Without
a picture it's kinda hard to tell you if another set has it.

Tim





I have finally painted and started to decal my Monon #1-500 boxcar that we now know thanks to Ed Hawkins is actually a Pullman PS-1 using mostly decals done/sold by Mont Switzer. His set is pretty complete except for the Pullman stencil (found elsewhere) and the Gothic "Lift Here—To Open Or Close DDoor" stenciling on the Superior door. This stenciling is not on either of Microscale's Data sheets and I have looked thru the Microscale boxcar sets I have nor can I steal the phrase from the Yarmouth or Speedwitch kits or set I have.


I can but would prefer NOT to piece this very small lettering together from the Microscale Data Sheets if I can find it somewhere. Anyone know where this phrase can be found? I estimate this is two or three-inch lettering. My set from Mont dates from about 1996—has he updated his Monon sets since then?


Bill Welch


Re: weathering decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Excellent! I've wondered about those decals - I agree they are mostly for post-1960
modelers but clearly they work very well.

Tim O'Connor



      Something that is used by many modern-era freight car modelers, but seems unknown to most steam-era modelers, and of which I was only vaguely aware until Collinsville last month, is decal weathering for all kinds of streaking, from gray and black to rust. I bought a set of Weathering Solutions decals at Collinsville and have tried them out, leading to a blog post about the results. If you're interested, here is a link to that post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/07/using-weathering-solutions-decals.html

Tony Thompson


weathering decals

Tony Thompson
 

Something that is used by many modern-era freight car modelers, but seems unknown to most steam-era modelers, and of which I was only vaguely aware until Collinsville last month, is decal weathering for all kinds of streaking, from gray and black to rust. I bought a set of Weathering Solutions decals at Collinsville and have tried them out, leading to a blog post about the results. If you're interested, here is a link to that post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/07/using-weathering-solutions-decals.html


Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Looking for "Lift Here—To Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

hubert mask
 

Tim.  Is that for the 6 foot door with the vertical lift bar in the middle of the door at the bottom?   If so I have several 40' Decals with that.  I believe

Maybe not the road name however. 

Hubert Mask
Mask Island Decals Inc


On Jul 24, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 



Bill - can you post a photo of that "Lift Here" lettering ? Without
a picture it's kinda hard to tell you if another set has it.

Tim





I have finally painted and started to decal my Monon #1-500 boxcar that we now know thanks to Ed Hawkins is actually a Pullman PS-1 using mostly decals done/sold by Mont Switzer. His set is pretty complete except for the Pullman stencil (found elsewhere) and the Gothic "Lift Here—To Open Or Close DDoor" stenciling on the Superior door. This stenciling is not on either of Microscale's Data sheets and I have looked thru the Microscale boxcar sets I have nor can I steal the phrase from the Yarmouth or Speedwitch kits or set I have.


I can but would prefer NOT to piece this very small lettering together from the Microscale Data Sheets if I can find it somewhere. Anyone know where this phrase can be found? I estimate this is two or three-inch lettering. My set from Mont dates from about 1996—has he updated his Monon sets since then?


Bill Welch


Re: Looking for "Lift Here�To Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

Tim O'Connor
 



Bill - can you post a photo of that "Lift Here" lettering ? Without
a picture it's kinda hard to tell you if another set has it.

Tim





I have finally painted and started to decal my Monon #1-500 boxcar that we now know thanks to Ed Hawkins is actually a Pullman PS-1 using mostly decals done/sold by Mont Switzer. His set is pretty complete except for the Pullman stencil (found elsewhere) and the Gothic "Lift Here�To Open Or Close DDoor" stenciling on the Superior door. This stenciling is not on either of Microscale's Data sheets and I have looked thru the Microscale boxcar sets I have nor can I steal the phrase from the Yarmouth or Speedwitch kits or set I have.


I can but would prefer NOT to piece this very small lettering together from the Microscale Data Sheets if I can find it somewhere. Anyone know where this phrase can be found? I estimate this is two or three-inch lettering. My set from Mont dates from about 1996�has he updated his Monon sets since then?


Bill Welch


Looking for "Lift Here—To Open Or Close Door" Decals in HO

Bill Welch
 

I have finally painted and started to decal my Monon #1-500 boxcar that we now know thanks to Ed Hawkins is actually a Pullman PS-1 using mostly decals done/sold by Mont Switzer. His set is pretty complete except for the Pullman stencil (found elsewhere) and the Gothic "Lift Here—To Open Or Close Door" stenciling on the Superior door. This stenciling is not on either of Microscale's Data sheets and I have looked thru the Microscale boxcar sets I have nor can I steal the phrase from the Yarmouth or Speedwitch kits or set I have.


I can but would prefer NOT to piece this very small lettering together from the Microscale Data Sheets if I can find it somewhere. Anyone know where this phrase can be found? I estimate this is two or three-inch lettering. My set from Mont dates from about 1996—has he updated his Monon sets since then?


Bill Welch




Re: Wabash Yard Scene

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

. As a last resort to having the tank slip through the bands and slide past the end of the frame, the center tank band "lassoed" the dome. The center anchor was a much more elegant solution.


     According to the MCR report of 1903, the reason for the dome yoke was to prevent the tank rotating around its long axis. Full agreement, though, that the center anchor solved a whole bunch of problems in an admirably simple way. It was invented by John Van Dyke of UTL, if memory serves.
===================

I hadn't heard that before, but it makes perfect sense. It's a shame VanDyke was so far ahead of his time... The industry quickly adopted his center anchor, which used structural rivets through the tank shell, but totally resisted his frameless tankcar, which did the same.

Dennis Storzek


SP A-50-4 automobile box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Another batch of tips and techniques are shared on the latest Resin Car Works blog post. Peter Hall describes how he built an HO scale Speedwitch Media Southern Pacific automobile box car. Check it out!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/building-a-speedwitch-media-sp-a-50-4-automobile-box-car/




Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Multi-compartment tank cars

Ed Hawkins
 

Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC] wrote:

Why were there no five compartment tank cars? There were one, two, three, four, and six compartment cars, but no five compartment cars. Why not? Just no shipper wanted one? Inquiring minds want to know.
Richard,
ACF built one, shown in RP CYC Volume 10 as part of an article on Type 27 uninsulated multiple-compartment tank cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Multi-compartment tank cars

Richard Townsend
 

Why were there no five compartment tank cars? There were one, two, three, four, and six compartment cars, but no five compartment cars. Why not? Just no shipper wanted one? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

John Riddell
 

Further to Steve Hile’s note   --- Bettendorf records show that between 1901 and 1903 Bettendorf built 14 orders of tank car underframes for UTL for a total of 2,200. There were five different length-over-end-sills:  30-0, 31-0, 37-0, 38-0, 44-4.
 
John Riddell   


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

 

. As a last resort to having the tank slip through the bands and slide past the end of the frame, the center tank band "lassoed" the dome. The center anchor was a much more elegant solution.


     According to the MCR report of 1903, the reason for the dome yoke was to prevent the tank rotating around its long axis. Full agreement, though, that the center anchor solved a whole bunch of problems in an admirably simple way. It was invented by John Van Dyke of UTL, if memory serves.


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Tim O'Connor
 


And were these the famous Rockefeller tank cars? The car in the photo is
dated 1899, and Standard Oil and UTC were separated in 1901.

Tim O'




There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo.  In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car.  I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

Looks like you nailed it, Brian.



So, is that a tube on the lengthwise centerline of the car, running down from the dome? And if so, why?
============================

That's a tank band to hold the tank to the frame. Before the development of the center tank anchor, the tank was contained by head blocks. As a last resort to having the tank slip through the bands and slide past the end of the frame, the center tank band "lassoed" the dome. The center anchor was a much more elegant solution.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Wabash Yard Scene

Steve and Barb Hile
 

There are five tank bands around the tank on this tank car.  Four are flat strips with threaded rods welded to their ends.  The center one is a round "wire" that wraps around the dome. to help keep the dome upright.  The tank sits in a fabricated cradle and is restrained on the ends by a large block of wood (about the same cross section as a railroad tie) known as a head block.  There was no center anchor or other physical connection between the tank and the frame which then allows for expansion and contraction with temperature.
 
Bettendorf had actually supplied (according to Brian's photo and other material) some 2500 of these steel underframes to UTL in the early years of the 20th century to replace wood frames on new or rebuilt tank cars.  The Van Dyke designs, Class V and X supplanted the head block design as the years went on, but some B underframe cars survived into the 1920's, for sure.
 
Digging into this history has proven fascinating to me.
 
Steve Hile


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Yard Scene

 

Looks like you nailed it, Brian.

So, is that a tube on the lengthwise centerline of the car, running down from the dome? And if so, why?

An aside from the tank car: That photo is FULL of neat details. The corner of the box car roof that is against the end of the subject tank. I hadn’t noticed how beat-up it is. And the Wabash box on the other side of the coal-loaded gon past the tank: catch the single grab on the corner of the roof mounted at ~45 degree angle, one grab for both the side and end ladders, with no latitudinals.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 5:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Yard Scene

There have been recent comments about a Wabash Yard Scene photo. In the foreground is a partial view of a Union Tank Line tank car. I just added to our Files section a page from a 1907 Bettendorf catalog.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/Bettendorf%20UTL%20tank%20car.jpg

I believe this could be a match for what's seen in the photo.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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Re: SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks, Tony. That's exactly what I need.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

 
I am looking for a prototype SHPX 2-compartment tank car of about 10K gallon total capacity. Would it be difficult to look at the tank car tariff to identify such a car? What I need is the car number, i.e., SHPX XXXXX. Thanks for any help.
 

      In the 1955 tariff, there are several, for example SHPX 157, 9942 gallons; 158, 9933 gallons; 159, 9877 gallons, and so on, from SHPX 160 to 166, all 9900 plus gallons.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: SHPX 2-compartment tank car?

Tony Thompson
 

I am looking for a prototype SHPX 2-compartment tank car of about 10K gallon total capacity. Would it be difficult to look at the tank car tariff to identify such a car? What I need is the car number, i.e., SHPX XXXXX. Thanks for any help.
 

      In the 1955 tariff, there are several, for example SHPX 157, 9942 gallons; 158, 9933 gallons; 159, 9877 gallons, and so on, from SHPX 160 to 166, all 9900 plus gallons.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





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