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HO 20 car freight car train

Andy Carlson
 

Suppose someone were to ask you for help in selecting 20 available models in HO to do a string of 20 cars for a 1955 generic location in North America with state-of-the-art accuracy important (NO Tyco). With influencing constraints of Gilbert/Nelson combined with what is best in HO freight cars, what 20 models would you suggest for this hypothetical assemblage? Resin, Kitbashed or RTR.

Andy Carlson, with too much time this morning in Ojai, CA


Re: Pacific Electric Tank Body - Part Of Tank Car?

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote :

Recently I had a chance to visit the back storage areas at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA. While there I spotted what I believe is a tank from a tank car sitting in a skewed position atop and detached from a tank car frame. The tank had the word "Torrance" written on it, probably a reference to PE's Torrance Shops.


 

"This doesn't look like a boiler to me."


It doesn't look like any boiler I've ever seen. Boilers aren't real efficient without internal flues (tubes).


It certainly looks like a railroad tankcar. It MAY have ended it's life as some sort of storage or process tank at the shops, but not a boiler.


Dennis Storzek


Pacific Electric Tank Body - Part Of Tank Car?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Recently I had a chance to visit the back storage areas at the Orange Empire Railway Museum in Perris, CA. While there I spotted what I believe is a tank from a tank car sitting in a skewed position atop and detached from a tank car frame. The tank had the word "Torrance" written on it, probably a reference to PE's Torrance Shops.

 

I cannot be sure the tank belonged to the frame just because they were loosely together. My reasoning is the tank has single rivet rows. The Master Car Builders required double rows of rivets for tank construction effective May 1, 1917. The frame indicates it was built in 1923. I have placed five photos in our Photo Section in an album titled, "Bob Chaparro Images". Link:

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/albums/1848906744

 

It's possible the tank was installed on this frame to replace a damaged tank many years ago, but I tend to doubt this.

 

The uncertainty associated with this is that one individual on the Yahoo Pacific Electric list claims this is a boiler, stating:

 

"The "tank" is actually one of the boilers from the Torrance Shops. Three weeks ago one of our members found shop photos showing two of the boilers outside of a building and did the "rivet counting" thing for comparison.  It was placed on the railcar frame years ago as a matter of convenience or to fool people, depending upon to whom you ask."

 

This doesn't look like a boiler to me.

 

Can anyone shed light on this tank and frame?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Joseph
 

We call the 2-8-2 MacArthurs. WW 2 and all that. Every one a bit different by the late 40s. I have the erection drawings for the as builts if someone wants to scratchbuild a couple for me. They pulled a lot of freight cars.....
Joe Binish, spending valuable train time working on swambo's dance studio


On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

If I remember correctly the Louie had some sweet looking Mikes. As Bob H. has pointed out the Monon 1-500 series was built in 1947.

Bill Welch


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Bill Welch
 

If I remember correctly the Louie had some sweet looking Mikes. As Bob H. has pointed out the Monon 1-500 series was built in 1947.

Bill Welch


Pennsylvania Conley Tank Line CYCX

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Does anyone have a photo of a standard gauge CYCX car they could share with me, or a link to one on line? 
 
Thanks in advance,
Steve Hile


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Nelson Moyer
 

That’s a fairly tight range. I’m not sure when the M&StL went all diesel, but I know they were early adopters. I’ve thought about running 1963 sessions, which is ten years past my 1953 core date. That would allow me to run GP-9, SD-9, SD-24, GP-20, and GP-30 consists (sometimes with one of each up to four motors as the Q was famous for consist variety), plus air slide and other covered hoppers, piggybacks, early auto racks, and a few other cars outside my core date. Chinese red started 1959, and the car lettering was modernized, so that would really alter the look and feel of the railroad. That would also force me to investigate 1960 era practice, which would stretch me past my 1953 cutoff. Of course, that’s an expensive dream.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

 

 

What is your modeling date now Clark?
Bill Welch

 

 

Depends on the engine I’m using steam 48 diesel 49-50.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

 


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Bill Welch
 

I make them using .012 wire. First I cut short sections of wire and then put one end in a flame. I do extras as I do this. Then I grip the wire sections with pliers w/just a little nub of the flamed end exposed and pound it w/a small hammer to flatten it just enough that it will not go through a .012 hole. These are rarely pretty but they work well enough. I usually have two models going that are very similar, two Branchline for example, so the steps I do are for two cars. My friend Dr. Frank Peacock, DDS calls this "like things at like times." In this case of sill steps this means making 16 rivets plus extras at one time. With Yarmouth's X29 sill steps it means doubling that number since they can take four rivets per step.

Thank you for asking John.

Bill Welch


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Robert Heninger
 

Clark,

The Monon PS-1 boxcar that Bill is modeling was built in 1947, very appropriate for your layout's era.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Clark Propst
 

What is your modeling date now Clark?
Bill Welch

 
 
Depends on the engine I’m using steam 48 diesel 49-50.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 


Re: USRA steel side box car rebuild

Ted Culotta
 

I realized that I replied directly to Larry. Here is my reply:


It was in the second profile on the L&N ARA box cars. I discovered that as built, most of the L&N cars had a different version of the Murphy XLa roof than most of us typically think of when we hear Murphy roof. We usually associate with the one used on USRA design box cars, but the one on most of the L&N ARA cars had smaller, rounded roof seam caps. That publication and the other associated ones can be accessed via this link.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: USRA steel side box car rebuild

Bill Welch
 

Larry, I am not Ted  but I am pretty sure he was referring to his then new "Profiles" and the L&N's adaptations to reuse "K" Brake components to configure an AB Brake system: http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/prototype-railroad-profile-no-1-louisville-nashville-ara-single-sheathed-box-cars/

Bill Welch


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

John F. Cizmar
 

Bill,
Where do you get the brass wire rivets you use for stirrups and RD end supports?
John Cizmar NKPTHS 2227



From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

 
Here is a link to some photos of Monon #37, a PS-1 I am now finally decaling: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xmiyor2g2ilzvnp/AADfa4FdreSMOshB-PPQ7gTda?dl=0
 
Until the 2017 Collinsville RPM I did not realize how special the model of Monon #37 I have been working on on-and-off for two years is but in the first few minutes of Ed Hawkins presentation about the Pullman PS-1 I learned that despite such parts as Standard Railway Equipment’s Murphy paneled roof and Improved Dreadnaught Ends I was actually modeling a PS-1. When I started the model I was interested because it offered me the opportunity to us the pair of 7-panel Superior door tooled by Dan Hall of Southwest Scale Productions (http://southwestscale.com/main.sc) that I had purchased from Andy Carlson. It also meant I could finally use the some of the Monon decals I had purchased from Mont Switzer in about 1995. Having been caught “asleep at the wheel” by Branchline selling their fine kits to Atlas, at the time I only had a stash of undec. C&BT Car Shop kits so I started removing rivets and panel lines and then once I had perfectly smooth side began to add the needed details.
In the intervening months I sculpted the tabs along the sill; added rivets—both harvested and Archer decals; weld lines w/Archers’ Aircraft Panels Lines; and scratch built ladders, Placard Boards and Route Card Holders; trust plates; and gussets under the door tracks. Since Collinsville I have decided to build a Pullman underframe instead of the AAR u/f I was ready to install but I wanted to go ahead and paint and decal it. I began by spraying the roof with a mixture of Tamiya’s Sky Grey and Aluminum in an attempt to re-create something that looks Galvanized. Then I brushed on “Bob Dively Model Aircraft Liquid Masking Film” in a random way, and then painted the roof with Polyscale “Tarnished Black. After a couple of days I peeled the liquid making away and masked the roof with Tamiya’s Masking tape and painted the body with Badger’s #16-15 Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red, then added a coat of Microscale’s Clear Gloss. All of this was done with my trusty Badger 155 Anthem siphon feed airbrush w/a .75 mm needle/tip combo at 20 PSI.
Despite being at least 22 years old, Mont’s decals are going on with no problems using Microscale’s Blue and Red label decal setting solutions. His set does not have a Pullman Builder’s stencil so I used one from a Speedwitch WofA set. If you look closely you will see this is for their Bessemer, Alabama plant, which is probably wrong for this car. Also missing is the stenciling for the door: “Lift Handle — To Open Or Close Door.” Not finding this phrase in any of the decal sets I have I bit the bullet and decided to piece this together from Microscale’s Gothic Data Sheet, ugh it has been maybe 18 years since I had done this. First I used Microscale Decal film on the very small data as my set is pretty old and I did not want this small type to crumble and then made coffee. The night before I had confirmed all of the letters were there and which words would require piecing together—“Lift Handle — To.” I started in the middle on either side of said handle and somehow managed to keep everything straight.
Once the decaling is finished I will give them a protective coat and use oils to weather the roof. I have a spare roof set aside already painted and peeled to experiment on before moving onto the model. The Yarmouth running board will be attached having been painted separately. I am using brass wire rivets to secure the RB’s end supports so the Kadee Ajax brake wheel will be installed after the RB. I will probably use PanPastels for the sides and ends. Once this is done I will add new Reweigh and Lube stenciling.
In retrospect this has been a labor of love. I worked on it in spurts since it involved some thinking and problem solving. In some ways the C&BT body was not the best choice although the only choice I had at the time. But as I look at the result I am happy. I have one bad weld line per side and the tabs on the side you see are better than those on the other side. Question, comments?

Bill Welch




Re: USRA steel side box car rebuild

Larry Sexton
 

Ted,

In the October 2015 article (email) on the upcoming Milwaukee RR ribside boxcars you stated "Well, I had completely finished no. 1 before discovering a rather amazing error in the model I had built. It turned out to be a good error as it will let me highlight an interesting modeling obstacle as well as provide some insightful prototype information about the L&N’s ARA single sheathed box cars that to date has been missed by most (if not all ) of us. I’ll have this one completed and posted soon. Stay tuned!"

Where is that discussion published? I'd like to acquire a copy.

Larry Sexton
---- "Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

From the shameless plug category, here is the radial roof rebuild, along
with the correct Youngstown door with early Camel Roller Lift fixtures (not
offered by Tichy):

Speedwitch Georgia USRA rebuild kit
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/k127-georgia-railroad-rebuilt-usra-50-ton-box-car/>

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
speedwitchmedia@... - www.speedwitchmedia.com
Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Bill Welch
 

What is your modeling date now Clark?

Bill Welch


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Clark Propst
 

Thanks for sharing the photos Bill. The last couple of years I’ve been talking to Mont at both StL and N’ville, gathering info and decals. I’ve always thought they were PS1 didn’t realize until recently they were make to ‘standard’ components. Glad I’ve procrastinated, I see the built date on our model is well beyond the time I model now.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

gtws00
 

Bill, this is really turning out nice. The Trust Plate is a nice touch. Ladders look great. Roof looks just right.

Great Job

George Toman


Modeling Monon #37: Surprise it is a PS-1

Bill Welch
 

Here is a link to some photos of Monon #37, a PS-1 I am now finally decaling: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xmiyor2g2ilzvnp/AADfa4FdreSMOshB-PPQ7gTda?dl=0

 

Until the 2017 Collinsville RPM I did not realize how special the model of Monon #37 I have been working on on-and-off for two years is but in the first few minutes of Ed Hawkins presentation about the Pullman PS-1 I learned that despite such parts as Standard Railway Equipment’s Murphy paneled roof and Improved Dreadnaught Ends I was actually modeling a PS-1. When I started the model I was interested because it offered me the opportunity to us the pair of 7-panel Superior door tooled by Dan Hall of Southwest Scale Productions (http://southwestscale.com/main.sc) that I had purchased from Andy Carlson. It also meant I could finally use the some of the Monon decals I had purchased from Mont Switzer in about 1995. Having been caught “asleep at the wheel” by Branchline selling their fine kits to Atlas, at the time I only had a stash of undec. C&BT Car Shop kits so I started removing rivets and panel lines and then once I had perfectly smooth side began to add the needed details.

In the intervening months I sculpted the tabs along the sill; added rivets—both harvested and Archer decals; weld lines w/Archers’ Aircraft Panels Lines; and scratch built ladders, Placard Boards and Route Card Holders; trust plates; and gussets under the door tracks. Since Collinsville I have decided to build a Pullman underframe instead of the AAR u/f I was ready to install but I wanted to go ahead and paint and decal it. I began by spraying the roof with a mixture of Tamiya’s Sky Grey and Aluminum in an attempt to re-create something that looks Galvanized. Then I brushed on “Bob Dively Model Aircraft Liquid Masking Film” in a random way, and then painted the roof with Polyscale “Tarnished Black. After a couple of days I peeled the liquid making away and masked the roof with Tamiya’s Masking tape and painted the body with Badger’s #16-15 Maroon Tuscan Oxide Red, then added a coat of Microscale’s Clear Gloss. All of this was done with my trusty Badger 155 Anthem siphon feed airbrush w/a .75 mm needle/tip combo at 20 PSI.

Despite being at least 22 years old, Mont’s decals are going on with no problems using Microscale’s Blue and Red label decal setting solutions. His set does not have a Pullman Builder’s stencil so I used one from a Speedwitch WofA set. If you look closely you will see this is for their Bessemer, Alabama plant, which is probably wrong for this car. Also missing is the stenciling for the door: “Lift Handle — To Open Or Close Door.” Not finding this phrase in any of the decal sets I have I bit the bullet and decided to piece this together from Microscale’s Gothic Data Sheet, ugh it has been maybe 18 years since I had done this. First I used Microscale Decal film on the very small data as my set is pretty old and I did not want this small type to crumble and then made coffee. The night before I had confirmed all of the letters were there and which words would require piecing together—“Lift Handle — To.” I started in the middle on either side of said handle and somehow managed to keep everything straight.

Once the decaling is finished I will give them a protective coat and use oils to weather the roof. I have a spare roof set aside already painted and peeled to experiment on before moving onto the model. The Yarmouth running board will be attached having been painted separately. I am using brass wire rivets to secure the RB’s end supports so the Kadee Ajax brake wheel will be installed after the RB. I will probably use PanPastels for the sides and ends. Once this is done I will add new Reweigh and Lube stenciling.

In retrospect this has been a labor of love. I worked on it in spurts since it involved some thinking and problem solving. In some ways the C&BT body was not the best choice although the only choice I had at the time. But as I look at the result I am happy. I have one bad weld line per side and the tabs on the side you see are better than those on the other side. Question, comments?


Bill Welch



Re: General Electric Tank Car

brianleppert@att.net
 

I need to make a retraction of my Type 25 statement.  Ed Hawkins has informed me that the General Electric tank car is actually an AC&F type 26.  Although there does not seem to be much difference between the two designs, I do notice the Type 26 does not have the "heavy steel diaphragms extending from the center sills at each end of the car".

There were only 2 orders for Type 25 cars for the US/Canadian market, totaling 15 tank cars.  The Type 26 design received 22 orders for 546 cars.  In comparison, there were over 1800 Type 27 tanks cars built, as mentioned in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, vol. 2.

There was also an AC&F Type 25A design.  Not many of these were built.

Another photo of a Type 26 tank car, SCAX 625, appeared on page 70 in Kaminski's American Car & Foundry, 1899-1999 book.

My thanks to Ed Hawkins, who provided an overwhelming amount information to me.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV 


Re: General Electric Tank Car

Ian Cranstone
 

Brian, much appreciated.  I was one of those members unfamiliar with the Type 25 underframe.  I think Canadian Car & Foundry built examples as well, likely under licence.

Ian Cranstone

Osgoode, Ontario, Canada

lamontc@...

http://freightcars.nakina.net


On 2017-07-23, at 3:39 PM, brianleppert@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Earlier this month there was a brief discussion on a General Electric tank car.  It seemed some members were not familiar with the AC&F Type 25 underframe.  I have added to our Files section a page from an AC&F catalog showing their Type 25 tank car at

   https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/AC%26F%20Type%2025.jpg

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

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