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Re: What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp

SUVCWORR@...
 

The ramp leads to a coal dump for the railroad.  This is an engine servicing facility.  Note the water tank beyond the end of the ramp; the coal chute which can be lowered over a tender on the left of the housing at the top of the ramp.  Note the fire barrels along the right of the ramp.  In the back ground on the left is a station with a train order signal.  On the right, it appears these are livestock pens most likely for loading cars.  There is another facility to the right of the ramp in the background that maybe a grain elevator or fuel tank.  

Rich Orr


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Subject: [STMFC] What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp

Hi List Members,

What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp, being served by steam era freight cars on the C&NW?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12294845895/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



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Re: What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp

hubert mask
 

Coal Shute ?

Hubert Mask 


On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:28 PM, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hi List Members,

What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp, being served by steam era freight cars on the C&NW?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12294845895/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: ATSF Bx-37 (was Re: HO 20 car freight car train)

Tim O'Connor
 

John

I have never understood why ATSF listed them as 10'4" IH. Thick floor
boards, perhaps? Lower ceiling? They are listed with the same height to
the top of the running board (14'11") as C&NW box cars with 5/5 ends,
and the C&NW cars were all listed as 10'6" IH.

Tim O'Connor




A day late and a dollar short, I'm surprised that no one else has challenged #10.  I concur with the choice of an ATSF steel box as they were highly visible and numerous.  And the choice of the Red Caboose 37 AAR is a great model.  BUT, it isn't correct for a Santa Fe 37 AAR box out of the box!  The 10' IH Bx-27 had a Duryea underframe, the visible indicators were the extended coupler pockets and a different sill tab configuration.  The most numerous Santa Fe 37 AARs were the 5010 10'4 IH Bx-37s with the Intermountain RTR available in what in 55 should be very weathered map schemes and fresher ship & travel schemes.  Yes, the roof is not as good as the RC, but the side sill profile, height and couplers are a better match out of the box.  Not that I won't have a number of RC Bx-27s on my own Santa Fe layout, but I plan to upgrade them with a minimum of the extended coupler pockets if I don't do the full Duryea underframes.
 
John Barry
  1. PRR X29 (Red Caboose)
  2. PRR G31 gondola (Tangent)
  3. NYC 'USRA' steel 40' boxcar (Westerfield)
  4. CB&Q 40' postwar boxcar (IMR)
  5. B&O Wagontop (Exactrail or Fox)
  6. PFE 40' reefer (Red Caboose or IMR)
  7. SP 53' flat w/ lbr load (RC/SP Soc + Owl Mtn)
  8. UP 40' boxcar (sorry, I like the Trix despite it's problems)
  9. SOU 40' AAR boxcar (RC or IMR)
  10. ATSF 40' 1937 boxcar (RC)
  11. UTLX ICC 105 tank car (Atlas or Kadee)
  12. SHPX 10k Type 27 tank car
  13. GATX 6k 3-dome tank car (Tangent)
  14. FGCX 50' mech reefer - the very early style (RC?)
  15. RI 40' PS-1 "100 Years" (Kadee)
  16. B&O offset side twin hopper (Kadee?)
  17. GARX 37' meat reefer - pick a lessee (Rapido)
  18. SFRD 40' reefer (IMR)
  19. B&M 40' 1937 AAR boxcar (RC)
  20. PRR X31 or X32 round roof auto bx (Bowser)
Now the wrangling about druthers can begin!

Todd Sullivan


What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

What type of industry is this, at the inclined ramp, being served by steam era freight cars on the C&NW?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12294845895/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund


Re: locations to park our STEAM ERA TANK CARS

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

A somewhat larger operation can be seen here...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12293186573/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

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Subject: [STMFC] locations to park our STEAM ERA TANK CARS


Hi List Members,
Some of us might be looking for locations to park our STEAM ERA TANK CARS - these two bulk gasoline dealerships might be of interest...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12663252165/sizes/o/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12663365933/sizes/o/
Claus Schlund
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LV 1937 AAR cars and 1944 AAR

Brian Carlson
 

I am working on a presentation the will include LV boxcars and I am in need of decent photos of the following cars.

Lehigh Valley

XM         61000    61299 1937 AAR

XM         61300    61899 1937 AAR

XM         63000    63999 1944 AAR

 

All the photos I used in building my models were the postage stamp size ones that appeared in Ed Hawkins article in RMJ and/ MRding

 

Hope to have the presentation completed for Cocoa Beach.

 

Contact me off list if you can help. Prrk41361 _at_ yahoo_dot_com.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

spsalso
 

Tony, 

I would be thrilled to receive such a photo.

At least for now, it sounds like this was only a CNJ car????

I did look through my two NYC photo books.  The NYC surely loved having lotsa ribs, but I couldn't find a match.

The ends are certainly interesting (2 "reversed" ribs).

I did find a photo (on Fallen Flags, hooray!) of the prototype for the B&O car, and "it ain't it".  

Mine is a very nice looking model, and it would be great to have it in proper lettering (whichever that is).



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: HO 20 car freight car train

John Barry
 

A day late and a dollar short, I'm surprised that no one else has challenged #10.  I concur with the choice of an ATSF steel box as they were highly visible and numerous.  And the choice of the Red Caboose 37 AAR is a great model.  BUT, it isn't correct for a Santa Fe 37 AAR box out of the box!  The 10' IH Bx-27 had a Duryea underframe, the visible indicators were the extended coupler pockets and a different sill tab configuration.  The most numerous Santa Fe 37 AARs were the 5010 10'4 IH Bx-37s with the Intermountain RTR available in what in 55 should be very weathered map schemes and fresher ship & travel schemes.  Yes, the roof is not as good as the RC, but the side sill profile, height and couplers are a better match out of the box.  Not that I won't have a number of RC Bx-27s on my own Santa Fe layout, but I plan to upgrade them with a minimum of the extended coupler pockets if I don't do the full Duryea underframes.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "sullivant41@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: HO 20 car freight car train

 
Well, here's a stab at the 20 cars (in no particular order):

  1. PRR X29 (Red Caboose)
  2. PRR G31 gondola (Tangent)
  3. NYC 'USRA' steel 40' boxcar (Westerfield)
  4. CB&Q 40' postwar boxcar (IMR)
  5. B&O Wagontop (Exactrail or Fox)
  6. PFE 40' reefer (Red Caboose or IMR)
  7. SP 53' flat w/ lbr load (RC/SP Soc + Owl Mtn)
  8. UP 40' boxcar (sorry, I like the Trix despite it's problems)
  9. SOU 40' AAR boxcar (RC or IMR)
  10. ATSF 40' 1937 boxcar (RC)
  11. UTLX ICC 105 tank car (Atlas or Kadee)
  12. SHPX 10k Type 27 tank car
  13. GATX 6k 3-dome tank car (Tangent)
  14. FGCX 50' mech reefer - the very early style (RC?)
  15. RI 40' PS-1 "100 Years" (Kadee)
  16. B&O offset side twin hopper (Kadee?)
  17. GARX 37' meat reefer - pick a lessee (Rapido)
  18. SFRD 40' reefer (IMR)
  19. B&M 40' 1937 AAR boxcar (RC)
  20. PRR X31 or X32 round roof auto bx (Bowser)
Now the wrangling about druthers can begin!

Todd Sullivan



Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

805 was a San Joaquin number, so 813 may be from central California

    in what year? In both 1946 and 1952, 805 was an LA Division train. as was 815. 

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

Tony Thompson
 

Richard Hendrickson had one and lettered it for CRP, I think, which was a
short lived CNJ tax dodge immortalized in a Paul Newman movie. :-) Richard's
model was CRP #89065.


    Ed, I have this car now and can send you a photo of the model, if you like.            Tony Thompson


Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

Tim O'Connor
 


CNJ owned this car - I don't know if there were other owners as well.

Richard Hendrickson had one and lettered it for CRP, I think, which was a
short lived CNJ tax dodge immortalized in a Paul Newman movie. :-) Richard's
model was CRP #89065.

Tim O'



I find myself with an unpainted 65 foot mill gon by Precision Scale.  It is part number 15474.  And is referenced as "Bethlehem Steel".

I found one of these factory painted for B&O (part number 15474-2):

https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/18564/HO-Rolling-Stock-Precision-Scale-Co-Baltimore-Ohio-GONDOLA

Now, B&O is a fine railroad, and I wouldn't mind painting mine to match.  But I do wonder what other railroads also had this car.

Edward Sutorik


Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Also Taylor Yard had tri-color signals for the hump yard, and if you look
over the top of the box car on the right, it looks like the trees on the hill
that overlooked Taylor Yard

Tim O'





Bill Daniels wrote:

 
I'm guessing that the location of this photo was Ogden, Utah. That's a UP tricolor signal at the extreme left hand side of the photo.

I don't know about the signal, but 813 is not a Salt Lake Division freight number. I would think it could be an LA Division number.

Tony Thompson


Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Tim O'Connor
 


805 was a San Joaquin number, so 813 may be from central California





Bill Daniels wrote:

 
I'm guessing that the location of this photo was Ogden, Utah. That's a UP tricolor signal at the extreme left hand side of the photo.

I don't know about the signal, but 813 is not a Salt Lake Division freight number. I would think it could be an LA Division number.

Tony Thompson 


Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

You have a point, Tony... and UP did come into LA as well. Thanks.
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Friday, July 28, 2017 6:36 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bill Daniels wrote:

 
I'm guessing that the location of this photo was Ogden, Utah. That's a UP tricolor signal at the extreme left hand side of the photo.

I don't know about the signal, but 813 is not a Salt Lake Division freight number. I would think it could be an LA Division number.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history








Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

Todd Sullivan
 

Ed,

The side stakes (ribs) appear to be spaced closer than the AAR design for these 65ft mill gondolas.  I recall seeing some P&LE and perhaps NYC gondolas that also had close spacing, but I have no idea where to check for photos.

Todd Sullivan


Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

spsalso
 

I find myself with an unpainted 65 foot mill gon by Precision Scale.  It is part number 15474.  And is referenced as "Bethlehem Steel".


I found one of these factory painted for B&O (part number 15474-2):


https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/18564/HO-Rolling-Stock-Precision-Scale-Co-Baltimore-Ohio-GONDOLA


Now, B&O is a fine railroad, and I wouldn't mind painting mine to match.  But I do wonder what other railroads also had this car.




Ed


Edward Sutorik





Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Daniels wrote:

 
I'm guessing that the location of this photo was Ogden, Utah. That's a UP tricolor signal at the extreme left hand side of the photo.

I don't know about the signal, but 813 is not a Salt Lake Division freight number. I would think it could be an LA Division number.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: "Accurate 50 Foot Mechanical Reefer"

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

FWIW, those Pacific HO cars were picked up and produced by Walthers for years after the original kits were produced, although they are probably gone by now.
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Friday, July 28, 2017 2:28 PM, "okladivjohn@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I would be very interested in a Santa Fe prototype. Some of the Santa Fe cars had
54 foot bodies, e.g. 500 Rr-69's built by General American. Too modern for STMFC :-(

Tim O'
 

Tim 

Here is some information on Santa Fe Mechanical Refrigerator Cars - body lengths as measured over the end sills.

Typically for modelers we look at the length of a car over the end sills.  Sometimes that is hard to find after the incorporation of various cushions devices.  There is also a length over strikers and length over the pulling faces of the couplers.

For modelers of Santa Fe Refrigerator cars here are the length over end sills of the body of the mechanical refrigerator cars which fall within the 1960s time frame limit.

Rr-31 1955-1960 (length over end sills) LOES  50' 6 1/2"
Rr-46 1949-1953 LOES   41' 5"
Rr-54 1953-1966 LOES   52'  4"
Rr-56 1955-1962 LOES   52'  4"
Rr-60 1958-1980 LOES   52'  4"
Rr-61 1958-1980 LOES   52'  4"
Rr-65 1960-1980 LOES   52'  4"
Rr-66 1960-1978 LOES   52'  4"

John B. Moore,Jr.
Albuquerque



From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Accurate 50 Foot Mechanical Reefer"

 
Mike,

You are partly correct - someone MADE (not MAKES) a 50 foot RP, the Pacific HO
model that you mentioned. And you're correct, Wright Trak made EXACTLY THE SAME
car, but with a fancier and more accurate underframe, improved roof and ends, and
other details as you said. But I'm not sure Wright Trak is still in production.
In any case, it's not a newbie kit.

FGE had around 700 cars (multiple orders), WFE (200 in 4 orders), BRE (less than
50 cars I think) all had them, or something closely resembling them. A high-fidelity
RTR model probably would be as good a choice as any other. The cars built by FGE
were the most numerous 50 foot RP prototype before 1960.

The main FGEX series was 1000-1600, 600 cars in 1959. These cars all appear to be
identical. FGE also had more than 100 cars scattered in 1-999 series.

The Pacific HO kit was notable for its inclusion of a detail no one else has ever
done (well?) in an HO kit - a cast metal Royal F slack adjuster.

I would be very interested in a Santa Fe prototype. Some of the Santa Fe cars had
54 foot bodies, e.g. 500 Rr-69's built by General American. Too modern for STMFC :-(

Tim O'



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Re: a load that spans two flat cars

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

I'm guessing that the location of this photo was Ogden, Utah. That's a UP tricolor signal at the extreme left hand side of the photo.
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Friday, July 28, 2017 4:00 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bruce

Indeed, it is 1-813, the first section of timetable freight train 813. I can't
tell you where it is without an SP timetable for that era, but I don't think the
SP operated "high and wide" trains as a rule. Many photos show huge loads near the
front of the train on the SP. This load is not especially large by SP standards.

Tim O'






Claus,

Looks like two more unusual loads following it. This could be either a specific high and wide train (as some railroads such as the PRR were prone to have) or an extra (although the dark flags (green, I assume) on the loco make it look like a section of a scheduled train... unless those are just dirty white flags ;)

Regards
Bruce Smith





It looks to me like the first two cars on this train have a load that spans two flat cars. Refinery distillation tower?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12683692755/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund



Re: Enhanced kit for M&StL 40' 1937 AAR box car Repaint 11-56 Red Scheme

Tim O'Connor
 


The trucks were painted "freight car red" (or oxide red) too. (Color photo of
freshly painted M&StL 54000.) The running board was unpainted, except for the
portion that hung over the ends, which was painted body color. The roof, ends
and sides were all bright red.

Tim O'Connor




I have another enhanced kit to offer, this time for one of the last 400 cars built in 7-45 for the Minneapolis & Saint Louis 1937 AAR 6' door 40' box cars. M&StL 54416, was part of the 500 cars built for M&StL 54000-54998 class (Even numbers only). M&StL #54416 came with Superior hand brakes, 7-panel Superior 6' door, Gypsum metal running board and Barber S-2 plain journal bearing stabilized trucks.

There are 3 styrene 40' 1937 AAR box car kits in HO. Many consider the IMWX better than the other 2 (Intermountain Railway and Branchline Yardmaster). Since Red Caboose (Whose '37 AAR box car was made from the former IMWX tooling) was purchased by Intermountain, the future availability is questionable. This kit is factory decorated, painted and lettered in the bright red with Billboard lettering scheme, a repaint done 11-56. M&StL #54416. Both styles of painted 6' doors are included--use the 7-panel Superior pair.

I have gathered up the following components for this kit......

1 IMWX #HO8M5416 round corner '37 AAR factory decorated M&StL box car kit.
1 RC Superior hand brake set from the M&StL Historical Society
1 set of Red Caboose bracket grab irons (The IMWX ones are clunky)

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