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Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Gary,

Thanks for your sharp eyes!

Corrected link for the USRA SS boxcar is below...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296540503/sizes/o/

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Claus:
The USRA SS boxcar has the same picture address as the CGW boxcar.
Gary Laakso
North West of Mike Brock
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Subject: [STMFC] Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger
collection...
Hi List Members,
Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...
look to have been taken on the CGW.
WFEX 65990 reefer parked in front of O'Neill Fuel and Ice
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296743454/sizes/o/
CGW 89726 40ft steel box
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296490193/sizes/o/
T&P 17033 gondola with ERIE gondola
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296524063/sizes/o/
Hormel reefer and more reefers that I cannot quite identify (maybe NADX?)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296527863/sizes/o/
CGW boxcar, maybe W1280 as reporting makrs?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/
USRA SS boxcar, appears to be in as-built condition, road number might be
28268, but cannot see road name...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/
USRA gon, might be B&M maybe?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296316335/sizes/o/
Claus Schlund

Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Jack Mullen
 

It is indeed the Squire Dingee pickle plant in Chicago, just south of the C&NW Clybourn Depot, (no E), visible in the background.

I remember as a small boy, when riding the train going downtown, how fascinating it was to see the pickle cars spotted there, and sometimes be lucky enough to see workers dipping cukes out of them. The plant continued getting rail shipments until sometime in the middle to late 1950s.

The Squire Dingee buildings remain, though I believe they're currently vacant. You can see them in Google maps, at Cortland St and Besly Ct, just east of the railroad. Cortland St runs e-w in the gap between the brick buildings and passes under the railroad where the bridge girders are visible.

The lettering across the pickle tanks is:
MA BROWN . PICKLES . PRESERVES . MUSTARD
SQUIRE . DINGEE . COMPANY . CHICAGO
It's interesting that the 4th car from left has the lines in reverse order. Some of the cars have reporting marks and number on the end tanks, between the two lines of text.

The reefer at left appears to have Bohn ventilators. I think the reporting marks on the end are PFE.

Jack Mullen

War Dept Group car order

mark_landgraf
 

‎Hi

I've been doing some research of Greenville Steel Car production during WW2. During that period, the War Dept placed orders for cars‎, and other equipment, in Groups. I have encountered from Group V to Group XXII. Can anyone point me to a listing of what these groups were composed of and where they got sent?

Thanks
Mark Landgraf
Albany NY



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Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

No, sorry, I've never seen square wire. I have music wire from Small Parts
as small as 0.009

Small Parts makes really tiny T and L section brass so I'm surprised if they
don't sell square brass wire. I guess not much demand for it...

Tim



Perhaps as small as .015-.016 square Tim? What gauge would it be?

Bill Welch

Re: Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...

gary laakso
 

Claus:

 

The USRA SS boxcar has the same picture address as the CGW boxcar.

 

Gary Laakso

North West of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...

 

 

Hi List Members,

Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection... look to have been taken on the CGW.

WFEX 65990 reefer parked in front of O'Neill Fuel and Ice
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296743454/sizes/o/

CGW 89726 40ft steel box
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296490193/sizes/o/

T&P 17033 gondola with ERIE gondola
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296524063/sizes/o/

Hormel reefer and more reefers that I cannot quite identify (maybe NADX?)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296527863/sizes/o/

CGW boxcar, maybe W1280 as reporting makrs?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/

USRA SS boxcar, appears to be in as-built condition, road number might be 28268, but cannot see road name...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/

USRA gon, might be B&M maybe?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296316335/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

spsalso
 

Well.

With a full minute of on-line research plus the click of a button, I will apparently be in receipt of the 1937 version, shortly.

There IS an upside to this internet thing.



Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Al,

I believe this is the Clybourne area on the north side of Chicago. Squire Dingee/Ma Brown had a plant in the area. Pages 21 and 22 in the Pickle book.

ted

At 11:00 AM 7/31/2017, you wrote:
Hi Al and List Members,

Looks like Al hit the nail on the head - the Leider book has a clear image of a similar car. While the lettering in Leider is not
identical, common themes can be seen.

In the photo I referenced - see link below...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12294908846/sizes/o/

..one can easily conclude the lettering on the car nearest to the camera might have the following text on the two fully visible
pickle tanks

BROWN PICKLES

and then the line below...

SQUIRE DINGEE

Thanks everyone for the great input on this!

Claus Schlund
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Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Some enjoyable steam era freight car views in the Barriger collection... look to have been taken on the CGW.


WFEX 65990 reefer parked in front of O'Neill Fuel and Ice
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296743454/sizes/o/

CGW 89726 40ft steel box
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296490193/sizes/o/

T&P 17033 gondola with ERIE gondola
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296524063/sizes/o/

Hormel reefer and more reefers that I cannot quite identify (maybe NADX?)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296527863/sizes/o/

CGW boxcar, maybe W1280 as reporting makrs?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/

USRA SS boxcar, appears to be in as-built condition, road number might be 28268, but cannot see road name...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296535043/sizes/o/

USRA gon, might be B&M maybe?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12296316335/sizes/o/


Claus Schlund

Re: Prototypes for Precision Scale 65-foot mill gon?

spsalso
 

The drawing that Tim cited is the same one I have in the paperback reprint that I mentioned.

I will have to keep an eye out for a copy of the '31 or '37 Cyclopedia that Ed mentioned.



This has been a fun bit of research about something from the back of the closet.

Thanks, folks, for you help and guidance.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Help ID'ing cars in MPA notebooks

James McDonald
 

Dear list,

I’ve been transcribing some early 1950s pocket notebooks from the Superintendent of MoW on the Maryland & Pennsylvania RR. There are frequent notes of freight cars as MoW materials came in, or in rare cases things were shipped out by the MoW crew. I’ve been trying to collect info about the specifics of the cars listed. Most of them I was able to find in my 1950 ORER, rosters, equipment diagram books, or other literature, but I still have a few cars I would appreciate help identifying. Does anyone have info on the following cars they’d be willing to share?

Car Place Date Load
ATSF 169555 Red Lion, PA 1952 Bridge Timbers, 5
MILW 791153 Red Lion, PA 1952/3? Wire, GE Versatol-Geoprene
WM 59792 ? 1953 Ties, 282
DH 13789 Bruce, PA 09-01-1953 Ties, 342

All the best,

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Bill Welch
 

Hmm, you are right Dave, I would have sworn it said "square" somewhere but do not see that now. My mistake, I will keep looking.

Bill Welch

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Bill Welch
 

Perhaps as small as .015-.016 square Tim? What gauge would it be?

Bill Welch

Re: I count five (5) pickle cars in this image

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Al and List Members,

Looks like Al hit the nail on the head - the Leider book has a clear image of a similar car. While the lettering in Leider is not identical, common themes can be seen.

In the photo I referenced - see link below...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12294908846/sizes/o/

...one can easily conclude the lettering on the car nearest to the camera might have the following text on the two fully visible pickle tanks

BROWN PICKLES

and then the line below...

SQUIRE DINGEE

Thanks everyone for the great input on this!

Claus Schlund

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I suspect those are Squire Dingee cars: see Leider, "Pickle and Vinegar Makers of the Midwest", pp 60-61.


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Tim O'Connor
 


is it square cross section? i buy small diameter music wire at a local
hobby shop, smaller sizes than 0.020




What do you guys think of this: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/31981236

Bill Welch

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Dave Parker
 

Bill:

Music wire is an intriguing alternative to brass/bronze for things like brake staffs.  I am planning to try some used guitar strings.  The brake staffs that I have seen in the flesh are about 1.25", so I'm looking to use 0.014" wire in HO.

This does not seem to address the question of square wire, or did I miss something?

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Monday, July 31, 2017 8:26 AM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

Bill Welch


Re: Detail on CNW/CMO gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


lol - great minds thinking alike! :-)

Tim O'



I just now came to this thread, but could it possibly be a drain plug?
Nelson Moyer

Re: Detail on CNW/CMO gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 


Ted, could it be a drain plug of some kind?

It almost looks like an outdoor electrical plug.




I had a few request for photos of this detail, so I have created a blog post with a couple images. It may be accessed via this link.

Ted Culotta

Re: Detail on CNW/CMO gondolas

Benjamin Hom
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
"Looks like the steaming spear hole covers used on ore cars. I have no idea what the purpose of one would be..."

Jon Miller replied:
"SWAG but the term spear could mean just that, use a long rod to loosen the material inside so it flows out?"

Almost.  Think more of a steam lance. Loads of ore froze in cold weather, and steam lances were used to thaw the load to get it out of the car.  For example, PRR Class G38 ore gons (built 1960) were acquired to cover emerging South American ore traffic via Philadelphia.  These loads would often freeze in the winter, and some cars were fitted with ports for steam lances:

These proved to be problematic as the small doors would stick open, causing the car to deposit ore along the right-of-way.  The Pennsy would later experiment with spray-on insulation on the cars, but this is after the period of this list.


Ben Hom

Re: Detail on CNW/CMO gondolas

Dennis Storzek
 




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On 7/31/2017 7:36 AM, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:
looks like the steaming spear hole covers used on ore cars. ------I have no idea what the purpose of one would be

    SWAG but the term spear could mean just that, use a long rod to loosen the material inside so it flows out?

=============================
Yeah, on an ore car the purpose was to allow a pipe to be driven into the load, and steam connected to thaw any material frozen to the car side.

I meant I have no idea of what use ONE spear hole would be on a solid bottom gon.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Square Wire for Vertical Brake Staffs: Usage Verified

Bill Welch
 

What do you guys think of this: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/31981236

Bill Welch