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Re: nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I don't see a brake wheel on the Rock Island auto car. Does it have some sort of ratchet device? Neat 3/3 ends.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/11/17 3:54 PM, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] wrote:
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That is a nice shot!

It looks like a Berwind hopper behind the tender and possibly a Cambria &
Indiana hopper next. I'm basing this on the herald locations and could be
mistaken.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

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Subject: [STMFC] nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326
(composite hopper)

Hi List Members,

We get nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite
hopper)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16225934465/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund



Re: Santa Fe RR-44 refrigerator

Steve SANDIFER
 

Yes. The RR43 and RR44 were under construction at the same time with the same ends and same layout. The Society Ice reefer book shows photos of the B end of both and they appear very similar. In those photos, the mounts holding the retainer line to the end were in different location along the line and goes straight down because the center sill and coupler mounting is different. The brake platform supports appears a bit more lopsided on the 44. The 44 was a new build, the 43 was a rebuild which resulted in the necessity of some minor differences.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe RR-44 refrigerator

 

 

I have the Sunshine Models, kit 94.1, Santa Fe Refrigerator RR-44 I am beginning to build.  The kit instructions do not have a view of either end. Instructions show Side view only as does Ted Culotta in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 3 Refrigerator Cars,  p. 119.  However, Ted in the book does have end view of the "B" end for SFRD number 9369 a RR-43 on page 113.  I am wondering if the "B" end on the RR-44 would have a similar placement of the retainer valve and line.   Thank You in advance for your assistance.

Lester Breuer

 


Re: nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

Eric Hansmann
 

That is a nice shot!

It looks like a Berwind hopper behind the tender and possibly a Cambria &
Indiana hopper next. I'm basing this on the herald locations and could be
mistaken.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 2:45 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326
(composite hopper)

Hi List Members,

We get nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite
hopper)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16225934465/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

We get nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16225934465/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Re: Santa Fe RR-44 reefrigerator

frograbbit602
 

Tim I do have the book in the library. I will have check it out.
Lester Breuer


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :



Lester do you have The Great Yellow Fleet ? Page 168 has a builder photo
that shows the B end of an Rr-44.

It looks to me like the retainer valve line is just to the right of the handbrake.

Tim O'Connor


I have the Sunshine Models, kit 94.1, Santa Fe Refrigerator RR-44 I am beginning to build.  The kit instructions do not have a view of either end. Instructions show Side view only as does Ted Culotta in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 3 Refrigerator Cars,  p. 119.  However, Ted in the book does have end view of the "B" end for SFRD number 9369 a RR-43 on page 113.  I am wondering if the "B" end on the RR-44 would have a similar placement of the retainer valve and line.   Thank You in advance for your assistance.

Lester Breuer


Re: Freight car types (Push-Pole or Poling Pockets)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Yes, this is over a decade late, but actually, either term is correct.


The 1906 Locomotive Dictionary, compiled for the American Railway Master Mechanics' Association by George L. Fowler, Associate Member, American Railway Master Mechanics' Association, and published by Railroad Gazette, lists on page 347 a part (No. 18) of a tender underframe designated as a "poling pocket".


According to the introduction to this book The Railroad Gazette was "empowered to publish, under the supervision of a committee of this Association, an illustrated dictionary which shall give the proper names of each and every part used in the building of locomotives."


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



 



Re: Santa Fe RR-44 reefrigerator

Tim O'Connor
 



Lester do you have The Great Yellow Fleet ? Page 168 has a builder photo
that shows the B end of an Rr-44.

It looks to me like the retainer valve line is just to the right of the handbrake.

Tim O'Connor


I have the Sunshine Models, kit 94.1, Santa Fe Refrigerator RR-44 I am beginning to build.  The kit instructions do not have a view of either end. Instructions show Side view only as does Ted Culotta in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 3 Refrigerator Cars,  p. 119.  However, Ted in the book does have end view of the "B" end for SFRD number 9369 a RR-43 on page 113.  I am wondering if the "B" end on the RR-44 would have a similar placement of the retainer valve and line.   Thank You in advance for your assistance.

Lester Breuer


Santa Fe RR-44 reefrigerator

frograbbit602
 

I have the Sunshine Models, kit 94.1, Santa Fe Refrigerator RR-44 I am beginning to build.  The kit instructions do not have a view of either end. Instructions show Side view only as does Ted Culotta in Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 3 Refrigerator Cars,  p. 119.  However, Ted in the book does have end view of the "B" end for SFRD number 9369 a RR-43 on page 113.  I am wondering if the "B" end on the RR-44 would have a similar placement of the retainer valve and line.   Thank You in advance for your assistance.

Lester Breuer



Re: MA & PA SS boxcar

Brad Andonian
 

James,

Many thanks for both clarifications.    In light of the lack of off line movements, I will have to ponder.

On Thursday, August 10, 2017, 11:08 PM, James McDonald james@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hello Brad,

Ben is correct. The circle star herald with the “The Famous Ma and Pa” cartouche did not make it onto boxcars until well after the time of this list. In the steam era MPA 1155, along with the rest of the MPA’s boxcars, would have been painted mineral brown with white lettering. There is no evidence I’ve encountered in studying the records that the MPA’s wooden boxcars ever carried the circle logo. That logo was first used on a bridge and later applied to caboose #2002 and the company’s diesel locomotives. Its use on boxcars began only in the 40’ steel boxcar rebuilding program that started in 1972. The MPA’s yellow boxcar lettering is also a post-1972 phenomenon.

It may or may not be relevant for your modeling purposes, but between 1939 and 1971 the M&P did not interchange its boxcars with other railroads.

All the best,

James

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James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD

> __________________________________________________________
> 6. Re: MA & PA SS boxcar
> Posted by: "Benjamin Hom" b.hom@... benjaminfrank_hom
> Date: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:48 am ((PDT))
>
> Brad Andonian asked:
> "I am seeking an image of these cars. They are ex-MILW and I wish to confirm the herald and lettering is yellow.
> The link below is obviously not the car, but may have the correct herald.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lima-HO-Scale-50-MA-PA-Box-Car-/382184322344
> One car, M&PA 1155 (ex-MILW 710444), in service on the Ma & Pa in August 1944. Later converted to idler car X2 (3rd) in October 1970. I suspect this car was wrecked on the Ma & Pa and placed in revenue service after it was paid off.http://www.maparailroadhist.org/histimg/box1155.jpghttp://www.maparailroadhist.org/histimg/x2.jpg
> I really doubt this car received the herald in the example, as it was applied to steel boxcars after this car was rebuilt into X2.
>
> Ben Hom


Re: SFRD Rr-43

Allan Smith
 

The 1948 Santa Fe  Car & Loco Plans for Model Railroaders book has a 3/16" scale drawing of the Rr-40 Reefer. The major difference between the Rr-40 and the Rr-43 are the ends. The Rr-40 has 4/4 dreadnaught ends and the Rr-43 has 3/3 improved dreadnaught ends.

Al Smith 
Sonora Ca


On Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:16 PM, "repairman87@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anybody know if general arrangement drawings exist for the Rr-43 reefer?

Thanks
Scott McDonald



Sunshine kit

Gary Wildung
 

All

Thank you for looking the Sunshine Kit has been Sold

Gary


Re: PRR class G22 gon 382158

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"We get a nice view of PRR class G22 gon 382158 here...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16039185957/sizes/o/ 

Some observations in comparison with these cars as built:

- Replacement of Carmer cut levers with bottom-operated type
- Extra reinforcements on end
- Loss of drop doors
- Car does retain Crown trucks and as built arrangement of grab irons and towing loops.

Plus note that there's no yawning chasm around the coupler.

Another reason why you should model from photos.


Ben Hom



Re: Atlanti Coast Line font

Tim O'Connor
 



1951


Does anyone out there in Steam Era land know when the ACL changed the lettering in their circle logo from  serifs to the block style?
Dave Lawler


PRR class G22 gon 382158

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

We get a nice view of PRR class G22 gon 382158 here...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16039185957/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Atlanti Coast Line font

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
Does anyone out there in Steam Era land know when the ACL changed the lettering in their circle logo from  serifs to the block style?
Dave Lawler



Two GM&O Factory assembled P2K 50-ton war emergency hoppers

Andy Carlson
 




Hi-
I have two new, in never been removed from the packaging, factory assembled Proto 2000 50-ton war emergency composite hoppers. Black with white lettering. P2K #23826, GM&O #60692; and P2K #23846, GM&O #60838.

Offered for $20 each, plus $3.50 + up shipping to the US. Contact me off-lost for particulars

I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee I accept PayPal.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA











Re: MA & PA SS boxcar

James McDonald
 

Hello Brad,

Ben is correct. The circle star herald with the “The Famous Ma and Pa” cartouche did not make it onto boxcars until well after the time of this list. In the steam era MPA 1155, along with the rest of the MPA’s boxcars, would have been painted mineral brown with white lettering. There is no evidence I’ve encountered in studying the records that the MPA’s wooden boxcars ever carried the circle logo. That logo was first used on a bridge and later applied to caboose #2002 and the company’s diesel locomotives. Its use on boxcars began only in the 40’ steel boxcar rebuilding program that started in 1972. The MPA’s yellow boxcar lettering is also a post-1972 phenomenon.

It may or may not be relevant for your modeling purposes, but between 1939 and 1971 the M&P did not interchange its boxcars with other railroads.

All the best,

James

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James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD

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6. Re: MA & PA SS boxcar
Posted by: "Benjamin Hom" b.hom@att.net benjaminfrank_hom
Date: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:48 am ((PDT))

Brad Andonian asked:
"I am seeking an image of these cars. They are ex-MILW and I wish to confirm the herald and lettering is yellow.
The link below is obviously not the car, but may have the correct herald.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lima-HO-Scale-50-MA-PA-Box-Car-/382184322344
One car, M&PA 1155 (ex-MILW 710444), in service on the Ma & Pa in August 1944. Later converted to idler car X2 (3rd) in October 1970. I suspect this car was wrecked on the Ma & Pa and placed in revenue service after it was paid off.http://www.maparailroadhist.org/histimg/box1155.jpghttp://www.maparailroadhist.org/histimg/x2.jpg
I really doubt this car received the herald in the example, as it was applied to steel boxcars after this car was rebuilt into X2.

Ben Hom


Re: Help ID'ing cars in MPA notebooks

James McDonald
 

Hi Denny,

Thanks for confirming that for me. I suspected as much from the materials I consulted, but it’s nice to be certain that the number is an error. The handwriting in the notation is clear, so it must be that the car number was just written down incorrectly. The alternate suggestions for potential car are helpful. I’ll update my records with this.

Take care,

James

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James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD

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8a. Re: Help ID'ing cars in MPA notebooks
Posted by: "Denny Wertz" wm1118sl@yahoo.com wm1118sl
Date: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:06 am ((PDT))

James, Referring to the (WM #59792 at Red Lion, Pa., 1953, Ties, 282) car. The WM did not have any rolling stock in the 59xxx series as compiled by author Bill Oertly in the Revenue Equipment books, one on boxcars & one on gondolas done by the WMRHS & still available from them. Both books have a complete freight car roster between the years 1905-1995. It could be a class G2, G3 Gondola #series 50701-50800, blt 4-1937, or a class G43 Gondola #series 55758-55850, blt 1953, 1954. Hope this helps.
Denny Wertz, WMRHS

From: "James McDonald james@jatigrafik.com [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 12:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Help ID'ing cars in MPA notebooks

Dear list,

I’ve been transcribing some early 1950s pocket notebooks from the Superintendent of MoW on the Maryland & Pennsylvania RR. There are frequent notes of freight cars as MoW materials came in, or in rare cases things were shipped out by the MoW crew. I’ve been trying to collect info about the specifics of the cars listed. Most of them I was able to find in my 1950 ORER, rosters, equipment diagram books, or other literature, but I still have a few cars I would appreciate help identifying. Does anyone have info on the following cars they’d be willing to share?

Car Place Date Load
ATSF 169555 Red Lion, PA 1952 Bridge Timbers, 5
MILW 791153 Red Lion, PA 1952/3? Wire, GE Versatol-Geoprene
WM 59792 ? 1953 Ties, 282
DH 13789 Bruce, PA 09-01-1953 Ties, 342

All the best,

James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD.


Re: SFRD Rr-43

Steve SANDIFER
 

Quality photos in the Reefer car book from the society but no drawings.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] SFRD Rr-43

 

 

Does anybody know if general arrangement drawings exist for the Rr-43 reefer?

Thanks
Scott McDonald


SFRD Rr-43

Scott
 

Does anybody know if general arrangement drawings exist for the Rr-43 reefer?

Thanks
Scott McDonald

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