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Re: NP 38668-38759

Bill Welch
 

Steel or Single-Sheathed?

Bill Welch


Re: Red Caboose/SPHS and InterMountain's Bulkhead Flat Car Models Questions

Bill Welch
 

Brian, I will sent you photos people have sent me offline since I raised this topic to you offline.

Bill Welch


Barber vs ASF in HO

Fred Jansz
 

Hi all, my WP modeling asks for two different plankless 50 ton trucks under one type of box car model (WP 20201-20550).
WP 20201-20350 had Barber S2 trucks and WP 20351-20550 had ASF A-3 trucks.
I've bought Branchline (Atlas) S-2's and Kato A-3's because these represent the prototypes best with their typical diagonal inner beam supports.
The Branchline S-2 truck has the thinner spring support and the Kato A-3 truck the thicker one.
However; the Kadee 562 A-3 truck might be a bit finer in the details than the Kato. Are there any other options for the Branchline S2, since the journal boxes are a bit skinny. Your thoughts are appreciated.
best regards,
Fred Jansz



Re: Red Caboose/SPHS and InterMountain's Bulkhead Flat Car Models Questions

Brian Carlson
 

I’m a little late to the party, but I finally had time to find my Intermountain B&O car. It is B&O 8840 A P-25D class car converted from P-25a in 1954-55. According to my notes on the car, (I probably asked on this list) it was converted to service a new gypsum pant at Shoals Indiana.  Loads were wrapped in forklift sized stacks individually wrapped in white plastic.

 

The intermountain car I have has a 1965 reweigh so I fear it may be in a later paint scheme not appropriate for my 1957 era. If anyone can point me to mid 1950’s photos of P-25D flats with bulkheads that would be appreciated.  Currently the IM car is still in its package.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 


NP 38668-38759

Schuyler Larrabee
 

These were 40’ two-door cars.  I would like to find a good ¾ view of these, perhaps two, showing A and B ends.

 

Can any of the NP guys on this list provide me with links, or perhaps a scanned image or two?

 

Thanks very much.

 

Schuyler

 


Re: Cambria & Indiana 2423 twin hopper in a wreck

rwitt_2000
 

David and Tony, these taller GLa clones are new to me.

I recently found an web article by the late Bob Karig describing taller GLa clones on the O&W. For a picture caption he stated  "The Pressed Steel Car Company introduced this oversized Gla in 1920.  It was eleven inches taller than a standard Gla, and it had a capacity of 1960 cubic feet versus the standard Gla's 1683 cubic feet. "

The web article is at:  http://nyow.org/oversized_gla.html

Were there other railroads that had similar cars? I recall a long time ago that, David, you did a GLa roster. I'll have to find it in my saved files and review it.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote :

Claus I don’t think that is a bulk oil rack unloading pipe. That looks to be a coaling platform next to the pipe, so I would say that is a water plug used for filling tenders for steam locomotives. The water supply would have been a nearby water tank or city water supply. The photo is of a engine serving station.

 

Doug  Harding

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I agree. I looked at this last time the photo was posted. Given the small locomotive and general rinky-dink feel of the facilities, this must be a short line, and that certainly looks like a coaling platform to me. 


Dennis Storzek


Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

Douglas Harding
 

Claus I don’t think that is a bulk oil rack unloading pipe. That looks to be a coaling platform next to the pipe, so I would say that is a water plug used for filling tenders for steam locomotives. The water supply would have been a nearby water tank or city water supply. The photo is of a engine serving station.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

 

 

Hi List Members,

We discussed a tank car unloading station image about a week back. Now that I have a better idea of what to look for, I noticed a
second image that may capture such a location.

In the image linked below, there is a rack and pipe arrangement in front of the wooden platform - is this also a top unloading
location?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19141807409/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund" <claus@...>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

> Hi List Members,
>
> Consider for a moment if you would this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345401603/sizes/o/
>
> Note there is a tripod support structure right next to the tank car, and a pipe goes from the lower part of the tripod to the
> dealer's storage tank area.
>
> How exactly for the unloading process look? Is there some pipe or hose that goes from the tripod support structure into the dome
> openings for unloading? I think we called this 'top unloading' in past conversations, is that right? Some other method?
>
> Claus Schlund
>
>
>
>


Re: READING well hole car information needed

Jack Mullen
 

Bruce,
The originating carrier was responsible for furnishing the car(s). Special moves like this weren't done by just requesting an empty. Normally there was considerable advance planning, the nature and amount depending on the size and weight of the load.

The railroad would have a car distributor specializing in special flats, who would locate and schedule an appropriate car. If there wasn't a home-road car available, he'd arrange for one from another road, with preference to one participating in the movement, or if necessary a private car. These folks did this on a regards basis, knew the corresponding people on other rrs, and would have a good idea of who would have what cars. And as Bob pointed out, the national special car fleet was tabulated in the ORER.

For excessive weight or dimensional loads, bridge engineers and clearance engineers would review and approve the load and route. This couldn't be completed until the car to be used was known.

Jack Mullen


Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Also, for those of you are more into the boxcar placarded with "Do Not Hump" in the image I referenced, there is a better view at the link below... appears to be a USRA SS boxcar to me.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19140340838/sizes/o/


Enjoy!

Claus Schlund

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...


Hi List Members,

We discussed a tank car unloading station image about a week back. Now that I have a better idea of what to look for, I noticed a
second image that may capture such a location.

In the image linked below, there is a rack and pipe arrangement in front of the wooden platform - is this also a top unloading
location?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19141807409/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund






----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...


Hi List Members,

Consider for a moment if you would this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345401603/sizes/o/

Note there is a tripod support structure right next to the tank car, and a pipe goes from the lower part of the tripod to the
dealer's storage tank area.

How exactly for the unloading process look? Is there some pipe or hose that goes from the tripod support structure into the dome
openings for unloading? I think we called this 'top unloading' in past conversations, is that right? Some other method?

Claus Schlund





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Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

We discussed a tank car unloading station image about a week back. Now that I have a better idea of what to look for, I noticed a second image that may capture such a location.

In the image linked below, there is a rack and pipe arrangement in front of the wooden platform - is this also a top unloading location?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19141807409/sizes/o/

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...


Hi List Members,

Consider for a moment if you would this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/12345401603/sizes/o/

Note there is a tripod support structure right next to the tank car, and a pipe goes from the lower part of the tripod to the dealer's storage tank area.

How exactly for the unloading process look? Is there some pipe or hose that goes from the tripod support structure into the dome openings for unloading? I think we called this 'top unloading' in past conversations, is that right? Some other method?

Claus Schlund




Re: Weathering and lettering detail from an old photo

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Eric,

I spent a very enjoyable time reading your blog post - thanks!

Claus Schlund

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Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:51 AM
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We take a closer look at a 1921 Lackawanna image to check interesting details on a few hoppers in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. Grab your coffee and a donut then click on the link to check it out.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/08/12/prototype-freight-car-details/







Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN





Re: Build date for CGW box car nos. 91000-910999

Jason Kliewer
 

Thank you Eric, 9-44 should be what I need.


Jason


Re: Build date for CGW box car nos. 91000-910999

Eric Lombard
 

Jason, here is are the dates I have found relevant to the construction of  CGW 91000-91099, 100 cars, P-S Lot 5771.


1943[10]          Possible order date from trade publication.
1943[12]          War Production Board approves construction of all-steel freight cars for latter 1944.
1944[9]  100  BLT Bessemer Plant, Birmingham, AL.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 1:21 PM, wcfn100@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hello group, I'm hoping someone can help me with the build date for Chicago Great Western box cars 91000-91099, PS lot 5771.  The year should be 1944 and I think the month is Aug. (8), but I don't know for sure.


Thanks,


Jason Kliewer

Colorado Springs, CO



Re: nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

Allan Smith
 

Train Shed #3 page 136-137 show these cars and the hand brake lever.

Al Smith
Sonora Ca


On Saturday, August 12, 2017 8:39 AM, "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Garth Groff wrote; "I don't see a brake wheel on the Rock Island auto car. Does it have some sort of ratchet device?"

Yes, it appears to have some sort of power hand brake mechanism, but the resolution is insufficient to resolve it. Gene Green may know.

Regards,

Bob Witt



Re: Cambria & Indiana 2423 twin hopper in a wreck

anthony wagner
 

According to my 1-1-50 ORER the 794 cars still remaining in C&I series 2400-3399 were 1783 cu ft with a side height of 10' 5" which as you pointed out was 5" taller than  the Gla. The cars numbered 1500-2399 were no longer listed. It appears that from the time when you found your information and early 1950 C&I must have retired the lower numbered cars and very probably rebuilt the survivors. From what I have learned over the years hopper cars were rebuilt at relatively frequent intervals, roughly every ten years or so, because of abrasion of the side and slope sheets and also from chemical deterioration since wet coal  also creates weak sulfuric acid, IE "acid rain". Tony Wagner


On Saturday, August 12, 2017 11:46 AM, "jaydeet2001@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
C&I 1500-3399 were similar to the Gla in most respects, except for the extra 5 inches in height. This is why the capacity is 1817 cf, versus 1683 for the Gla proper.

David Thompson



Build date for CGW box car nos. 91000-910999

Jason Kliewer
 

Hello group, I'm hoping someone can help me with the build date for Chicago Great Western box cars 91000-91099, PS lot 5771.  The year should be 1944 and I think the month is Aug. (8), but I don't know for sure.


Thanks,


Jason Kliewer

Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Cambria & Indiana 2423 twin hopper in a wreck

David
 

C&I 1500-3399 were similar to the Gla in most respects, except for the extra 5 inches in height. This is why the capacity is 1817 cf, versus 1683 for the Gla proper.

David Thompson


Re: READING well hole car information needed

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce Smith wrote: Another aspect of this move that I find interesting is that this car was used for this move, since, afaik, York Safe and Lock is not a Reading customer.  I guess that the PRR could not supply a car in a timely fashion, but my question then is, for the group in general,  how is a car like this requested?  Does PRR put out "feelers" to connections? Does the company do it?

One place they may have started is the ORER of that time. Not sure when it started, but in the 1950s there was a special section listing such heavy duty flat cars by railroad. I am guessing it started with the RR freight agent requesting a suitable car.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: nice views of RI 160058 (40ft SS auto box) and D&H 1-326 (composite hopper)

rwitt_2000
 

Garth Groff wrote; "I don't see a brake wheel on the Rock Island auto car. Does it have some sort of ratchet device?"

Yes, it appears to have some sort of power hand brake mechanism, but the resolution is insufficient to resolve it. Gene Green may know.

Regards,

Bob Witt

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