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Re: Barber vs ASF in HO

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

I grant you all of that! But overall I find the RC truck the most pleasing
of the plankless Barber S2's. Your trucks are of course without equal, but
since you have spring planks, well... that is a disqualification as well for
many applications.

RC corrected the bolster ends on their 70 TON plain bearing Barber S2, thankfully.
I need far more of those for my own modeling.

Beggars can't be choosers, as my Mom used to say... :-)

Tim O'




Take another look at that Red Caboose Barber S2 truck.  As I recall, the truck bolsters are lacking the two wedge shapes visible at the ends. Inside these shapes, the real trucks had the spring loaded wedges that pressed against the columns. Without those, the truck cannot be an S2.

And Atlas's attempt had wedge shapes so lightly engraved they can hardly be seen.

Exactrail and Branchline S2 trucks were both done by the same mold maker.  The journal boxes on both are WAY too small.

When I tooled the Tahoe Barber S2 truck, I worked with the real trucks under a Milwaukee Road box car at the railroad museum in Portola, CA, and got to touch and measure the real thing.  Like the prototypes there, the Tahoe truck replicates S2 trucks with spring planks.


Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


DL&W Post WWII Steel Boxcar, a pretty easy kit-bash

Bill Welch
 

I been following Ted Culotta's Kit-Bash presentations online and have been inspired by them. I am also exploring various possibilities for my small stash of "Southwest Scale Production" doors (http://southwestscale.com/Freight-Car-Details_c3.htm) and therefore I suggest what I think is a straight forward kit-bash with a minimum of square cuts—always a challenge for me—to model a post WWII 10-ft IH DL&W steel boxcar w/a diagonal panel roof and Improved Dreadnaught ends.


Components needed are: an InterMountain 10-ft high ten panel 1937 boxcar kit; an InterMountain or Branchline diagonal panel roof; Southwest Scale Production 4/6/6 Youngstown doors and Accurail Steel Reefer ends. Not pictured are the necessary 8-rung ladders also from InterMountain


Here is a link showing photos of the IM body w/roof and doors and the Accurail end cut and spliced to create the correct Improved Dreadnaught end with asymmetrical to rib (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jui858cxa67acbz/AADC9bUQ0Wob6wjdJT-u7U3La?dl=0). This spliced end is not perfect on three counts:


1.) there are scars from removing the ladder but these will largely be covered by new ladders. 

2.) the end is slightly too wide—I plan to compensate for this with flanges on each end panel made from 0.005 styrene sheet that will have Archer Rivet decals applied.

3.) there should be more flat space under the bottom rib and at the top of the part as well.


This modified end will be copied in resin to make two ends. Mods to the body already made are the mounting tabs for the ladders and sill steps. I also plan to modify the small intermediate tabs where the cross ties connect. I am planning to use Yarmouth Sill Steps, and Kadee Bracket grabs. I will replace the ladder rungs w/.010 styrene rod. Speedwitch says they are planning to decals.


These post war 10-foot high cars are covered in one of the RP CYC's with detail info like running board, trucks, and brake gear.


Bill Welch


Re: Barber vs ASF in HO

brianleppert@att.net
 

Tim,

Take another look at that Red Caboose Barber S2 truck.  As I recall, the truck bolsters are lacking the two wedge shapes visible at the ends. Inside these shapes, the real trucks had the spring loaded wedges that pressed against the columns. Without those, the truck cannot be an S2.

And Atlas's attempt had wedge shapes so lightly engraved they can hardly be seen.

Exactrail and Branchline S2 trucks were both done by the same mold maker.  The journal boxes on both are WAY too small.

When I tooled the Tahoe Barber S2 truck, I worked with the real trucks under a Milwaukee Road box car at the railroad museum in Portola, CA, and got to touch and measure the real thing.  Like the prototypes there, the Tahoe truck replicates S2 trucks with spring planks.


Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

hubert mask
 

I believe it is a Rock Island car by the reporting marks 

Hubert Mask 

MAsk Island Decals Inc.


On Aug 13, 2017, at 3:09 PM, shile@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

That sure looks like a Rock Island car, similar to the one highlighted the other day with the wooden D&H hopper.  You can sort of see the Rock Island lettering stacked next to the door.

Steve Hile

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Subject: [STMFC] Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

 

Hi List Members,

Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/32291091461/sizes/o/

Description sez "Negative 95 Rock Island Fairbury Nebr - station March 28 1962 001"

Claus Schlund


B&O flatcar decals

Brian Carlson
 

After Tim O’Connor sent me a photo off list I confirmed the IM B&O bulkhead flat needs backdated lettering for my era. Does anyone know a source for B&O flat car decals? I need the “Linking 13 great states with the Nation” small enough for a flat. I wonder if an Nscale boxcar herald would work?

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a General American Tk-N builder photo that shows the running
boards from the B-end so you can't see through them, but they are most
definitely NOT diamond tread - You can see the rectangular grid pattern
and the thickness is consistent with an open grid.

Another data point is that my 1947 to 1949 builder photos appear to show
open grid running boards, although most of the pictures are ACF tank cars.
But it does seem that open grid had become the "standard" by this time.

Tim O'Connor




I know the consultant who designed these, and he specified etched open grid running boards and platforms on his plan.  That does not mean that the models will have such, but they were originally designed that way.  (I had nothing to do with the design of this model.)
 
However, the Society Tank Car book says �running boards were diamond tread steel and dome platforms were of open grid steel construction.� A photo on page 89 of that book clearly shows the dome platforms to be open grid. None of the photos clearly show the running boards. You have probably switched a bunch of these and may have photos that the rest of us don�t have. I would assume the open grid to be much safer to walk on.
 
Yes, the TK-N and TK-O were identical.
 
I wish manufacturers would proof this type of thing more carefully before going public. The initial Rapido ATSF RDC ad has some significant problems too that they know about but have not corrected. 
 
Maybe they want critics to point out the mistakes so they can get it right before production.
 
J. Stephen Sandifer


Re: AAR Car Type Codes

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2017-08-13, at 5:33 PM, Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC] wrote:


 
Thanks Ian!  I have a 1965 and 1967 C&O ORER.  Are the codes explained in the full ORER books?

There should be a full explanation near the back of 1967 ORER.  Note that these codes have changed somewhat over the years, so you do want to look in an issue close to the era you're interested in. 

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

Their previous model was deeply flawed, but evidently they sold enough of
them to be able to afford to produce another. Let's hope they're not immune
to expert advice.

Tim O'Connor



On 8/13/2017 10:43 AM, Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC] wrote:
otherwise we will have another bad model.

� � �  Sorta (real loosely)�  fits with my comments on .088 wheels!�  For a 50-60 dollar car range these must be correct.�  The folks buying these are not blue boxers so they should get them right.�  The standard line if they don't is well nobody is buying them.

-- 
Jon Miller


Re: AAR Car Type Codes

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Thanks Ian!  I have a 1965 and 1967 C&O ORER.  Are the codes explained in the full ORER books?


Al Kresse . . . . new to this modern stuff (from when I was training to go to Vietnam actually)

On August 13, 2017 at 5:26 PM "Ian Cranstone lamontc@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

On 2017-08-13, at 4:38 PM, Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
I know this is stretching the era limits for the group, but when did the A.A.R. add A.A.R. Car Type Codes like A220, A400, B220, etc.  to FC ORER's in addition to their mechanical designations XAP, etc.?

These were listed for many years in the back of the ORER... the earliest listing I could find was in the October 1966 issue.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada


 


 


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Tim O'Connor
 


There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
back so I don't know if it's still there.

Tim O'Connor




On 8/13/2017 10:14 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:

Nice image of a jib crane in this particular link:

Close to the old Alexander model. Don't know if it's still made.

-- 
Jon Miller


Re: AAR Car Type Codes

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2017-08-13, at 4:38 PM, Al Kresse water.kresse@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
I know this is stretching the era limits for the group, but when did the A.A.R. add A.A.R. Car Type Codes like A220, A400, B220, etc.  to FC ORER's in addition to their mechanical designations XAP, etc.?

These were listed for many years in the back of the ORER... the earliest listing I could find was in the October 1966 issue.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada



Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Tim O'Connor
 


Charlie, I agree, which is why I wanted to bring it to this group's
attention! I also observe that NONE of the offered paint jobs represents
the delivery schemes! Other people have pointed out that American Limited's
previous freight car, a modern covered hopper, is TWO FEET shorter than it
should have been!

As I said, caveat emptor. Hopefully they will LISTEN to the EXPERTS. Otherwise
it's another $50 freight car boat anchor.

Tim O'Connor



There are two major things wrong with their ad. First the side running boards WERE NOT DIAMOND PLATE steel but open grid steel the same as the dome platforms. Second the Tk-O is the same as the Tk-N and not the TK-M. I have sent the corrections to San Juan Car Co. and they said samples should arrive shortly and they think everything will be OK, otherwise we will have another bad model.
Charlie Slater

Bakersfield, Ca.
 


Announcement pages 1 & 2 uploaded

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/36112470400/

Delivery is 15 MONTHS or more, but reservations end in ONE MONTH

Caveat emptor




Tim,

I do not see these on the American Limited web site. Do you have any additional information?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




American Limited has announced HO scale tank car models! Built in
the late 1940's with steel grid walkways and open grid dome platforms.

Too bad they're not SP tank cars. :-(

But they are the first 16,000 gallon plastic tank car models in HO scale
and a number of railroads had cars of this size. Major kitbash fodder if
nothing else. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: NP 38668-38759

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the cars Schuyler was asking about were rebuilt ex-ERIE box cars.
The NP bought bunches of second hand single door steel box cars and rebuilt
them as double door cars - but as Matt Herson pointed out, it was post-1960.

Tim O'Connor



Per the 1939 Freight Equipment Book, the 38300-38999 are 36 foot double sheathed wood cars with the frame fishbelly at the edge of the car sides.�  W&R imported these cars in HO and Funaro makes a resin kit for them.
 
Gary Laakso

 
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Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NP 38668-38759
 

Steel or Single-Sheathed?
 
Bill Welch


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

Steve SANDIFER
 

I know the consultant who designed these, and he specified etched open grid running boards and platforms on his plan.  That does not mean that the models will have such, but they were originally designed that way.  (I had nothing to do with the design of this model.)

 

However, the Society Tank Car book says “running boards were diamond tread steel and dome platforms were of open grid steel construction.” A photo on page 89 of that book clearly shows the dome platforms to be open grid. None of the photos clearly show the running boards. You have probably switched a bunch of these and may have photos that the rest of us don’t have. I would assume the open grid to be much safer to walk on.

 

Yes, the TK-N and TK-O were identical.

 

I wish manufacturers would proof this type of thing more carefully before going public. The initial Rapido ATSF RDC ad has some significant problems too that they know about but have not corrected.  

 

Maybe they want critics to point out the mistakes so they can get it right before production.

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

 

 

There are two major things wrong with their ad. First the side running boards WERE NOT DIAMOND PLATE steel but open grid steel the same as the dome platforms. Second the Tk-O is the same as the Tk-N and not the TK-M. I have sent the corrections to San Juan Car Co. and they said samples should arrive shortly and they think everything will be OK, otherwise we will have another bad model.
Charlie Slater

Bakersfield, Ca. 

 

Sent from Outlook

 


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

 

 


Announcement pages 1 & 2 uploaded

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/36112470400/

Delivery is 15 MONTHS or more, but reservations end in ONE MONTH

Caveat emptor



Tim,

I do not see these on the American Limited web site. Do you have any additional information?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA






American Limited has announced HO scale tank car models! Built in
the late 1940's with steel grid walkways and open grid dome platforms.

Too bad they're not SP tank cars. :-(

But they are the first 16,000 gallon plastic tank car models in HO scale
and a number of railroads had cars of this size. Major kitbash fodder if
nothing else. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: Barber vs ASF in HO

Tim O'Connor
 


Red Caboose made an excellent Barber S2. Exactrail makes an S2 as well.
Neither one has the complete brake beam detail found on Kato, Tahoe, and
Kadee trucks.

Tim O'Connor




Hi all, my WP modeling asks for two different plankless 50 ton trucks under one type of box car model (WP 20201-20550).
WP 20201-20350 had Barber S2 trucks and WP 20351-20550 had ASF A-3 trucks.
I've bought Branchline (Atlas) S-2's and Kato A-3's because these represent the prototypes best with their typical diagonal inner beam supports.
The Branchline S-2 truck has the thinner spring support and the Kato A-3 truck the thicker one.
However; the Kadee 562 A-3 truck might be a bit finer in the details than the Kato. Are there any other options for the Branchline S2, since the journal boxes are a bit skinny. Your thoughts are appreciated.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: CG 56295, a ventilated boxcar...

rwitt_2000
 

Schuyler wrote: Interesting construction of the diamonds.  Not the usual somewhat monolithic assembly of parts, but instead, just a short guard rail opposite the actual junction of the opposite rails, much like a switch.

Not exactly a freight car topic, but could these diamonds be an early example of flange ways carrying the wheels over the crossing? I don't see a flange way gap for the tracks in the left to right direction.

Bob Witt


Track and its components are what our freight cars ride on.


Re: AAR Car Type Codes

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

I know this is stretching the era limits for the group, but when did the A.A.R. add A.A.R. Car Type Codes like A220, A400, B220, etc.  to FC ORER's in addition to their mechanical designations XAP, etc.?


Al Kresse . . . . pushed into an later-era that I'd hope to avoid and didn't keep records for


Re: CG 56295, a ventilated boxcar...

Tim O'Connor
 


Didn't the N&W also use position lights?



Yes... in fact, that style of signal bridge was common on the PRR Lines West.
 
Bill Daniels San Francisco, CA


On Friday, August 11, 2017 8:42 PM, "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Interesting construction of the diamonds.  Not the usual somewhat monolithic assembly of parts, but instead, just a short guard rail opposite the actual junction of the opposite rails, much like a switch.
 
Schuyler
 
 
Are those PRR position light signals on the right?
 
Todd Horton
 
Hi List members,

We have a nice image of CG 56295, a ventilated boxcar...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19140738830/sizes/o/

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Re: Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

rwitt_2000
 

Claus,

I agree with Steve's observation. It sure looks like its from the same series of automobile box cars. The doors look very, very similar.

Here's the link again: https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/16225934465/sizes/o/

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

That sure looks like a Rock Island car, similar to the one highlighted the other day with the wooden D&H hopper.  You can sort of see the Rock Island lettering stacked next to the door.

Steve Hile

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Subject: [STMFC] Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

 

Hi List Members,

Anyone have any thoughts regarding an ID on this 40ft SS auto Box?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/32291091461/sizes/o/

Description sez "Negative 95 Rock Island Fairbury Nebr - station March 28 1962 001"

Claus Schlund

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