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Re: SS BADGER

Bud Rindfleisch
 

So nice to see these pics! I rode across Lake Michigan back in the mid 50's Ludington to Manitowoc on both the Badger and the Spartan. Used to love standing on the aft deck and watching them load the freight cars, balancing from one track to the other to keep the ship from listing. 
     One trip was a rough passage with pretty much our whole family throwing up, not fun, but all the rest were great. If I remember correctly it was a little over 4 hours to cross.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: SS BADGER

Charles Peck
 

Andy, is "some discomfort" your euphemism for claim agents nightmare?
Nobody is happy when the big hook has to roll.
Chuck Peck 

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:59 PM, andy.laurent@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA

 



Re: SS BADGER

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA

 


Square Brake Shaft

Bill Welch
 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pdhd9ss57z7pkeg/AAByFSUyJuYf-OSQ2cw3gni_a?dl=0


The above link will take you to two photos showing the new brake wheel I made today for my General American Type 30 Union Starch tank car. The prototype photo I have of the "B" end clearly shows a square brake shaft so. . ..


Photos are not great but will give you the idea. I will bring the spool I have and some cutters if you want a length but remember to bring a container to keep it straight.


Bill Welch



Re: Sourcing assistance, please

destorzek@...
 

Try ordering direct:


Look through the catalogs and put together a $30 order. Pick a few alternates in case something is out of stock. Don't forget the EXCELLENT angle cock brackets :-) Anyone have the part number off the top of their head?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Weathering and lettering detail from an old photo

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Eric,

Always a pleasure to read your posts. With respect to the lone H21 in the image, you wrote in one portion of your blog: "This car could be one of the Pennsylvania Railroad’s (PRR) H21 class hoppers. The car design was introduced in 1909 as a coke hauler but by the 1921 photo date many were hauling coal".

Note that the car under discussion has arch-bar trucks. The H21 class was originally equipped with 50-ton arch-bars when used for coke. When they started hauling coal, the top chord reinforcing angle quickly came along to prevent the sides from bulging.

I was always under the impression that the trucks were upgraded at the same time to 70-ton Crown trucks. Apparently, this was not always the case, as shown by this photo. This is the first time I see such a car still equipped with arch-bar trucks. Wether the arch-bar trucks shown are 50-ton or 70-ton types is beyond my ability to say.

Claus Schlund

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We take a closer look at a 1921 Lackawanna image to check interesting details on a few hoppers in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. Grab your coffee and a donut then click on the link to check it out.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/08/12/prototype-freight-car-details/







Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN





Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Richard Brennan
 

Google street view shows the jib crane there as of Aug 2013
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1316618,-72.7438838,3a,15y,310.57h,92.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1I_QsJ-BTM4I9vn0Paag5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

...right next to someone's nicely maintained red cupola (steam-era?) caboose!
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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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At 01:46 PM 8/14/2017, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] wrote:
Perhaps this is it, as viewed by Google from the air...
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield,+MA+01085/@42.1324046,-72.7450791,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e71f6f4de13611:0xc64860b0570e76a7!8m2!3d42.1250929!4d-72.749538
The location is labeled as "Westfield Electroplating"

Claus Schlund (moving to Amherst, MA is two months)

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From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
back so I don't know if it's still there.

Tim O'Connor

On 8/13/2017 10:14 AM,
<mailto:thecitrusbelt@...>thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
Nice image of a jib crane in this particular link:
Close to the old Alexander model. Don't know if it's still made.

Jon Miller


Re: SS BADGER

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <anycw1@...> wrote :

Back in the 70s I watched the Soo Line switch a car ferry at Manitowoc WI for a short while. Hazy on the details. I was on my way to Green Bay and didn't have time to see how the ferry was un-loaded and then re-loaded. I know balance was important so several short cuts were moved instead of longer ones. George Hilton published a book a while back on Great Lakes car ferries. There were more than many people expect. Tony Wagner
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My wife and I rode the Badger across the lake, and the City of Midland back a few years before the C&O abandoned the service. Back in those days, if you started your round trip on the west side of the lake, you likely rode two different boats... the Badger having been immediately reloaded with cars for a different western port.

While standing on the aft deck of the Midland in Ludington, watching the loading, the switch crew was loading a string of big, modern tankcars (this was well after the 1960 cut-off of this list). They kept pushing, and we kept listing, more and more... then they stopped, and the switch foreman was having a "discussion" with the deck officer, accompanied by a lot of arm waving, then the switch crew started pulling the tank cars off again, and we came upright. I don't recall what they replaced the tankcars with, but all the tankcars didn't make the trip across the lake together.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tim and List Members,

Perhaps this is it, as viewed by Google from the air...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield,+MA+01085/@42.1324046,-72.7450791,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e71f6f4de13611:0xc64860b0570e76a7!8m2!3d42.1250929!4d-72.749538

The location is labeled as "Westfield Electroplating"

Claus Schlund (moving to Amherst, MA is two months)

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)



There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
back so I don't know if it's still there.

Tim O'Connor




On 8/13/2017 10:14 AM, <mailto:thecitrusbelt@...>thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:

Nice image of a jib crane in this particular link:
Close to the old Alexander model. Don't know if it's still made.

--
Jon Miller


Re: a partial view of a StLIM&S boxcar

"wlhoss@aol.com <wlhoss@...>
 


Re: What a fascinating scene!

Douglas Harding
 

Clause that is an interesting scene. The BCR&M was short lived, 1868-1876. There was a north south line along with the east west branch. Those are early truss rod cars with archbar trucks. The CBQ car appears to have grab irons going to the roof on the left side of the car, rather unusual.

 

The flatcar has wood poles as stakes, because the image is a stereoscope, it appears there is some distortion around some of the stakes. Best viewed with a stereoscopic viewer.

 

I think that is a barrel maker in the foreground. Note the staves stacked in neat piles and all the scrap on the ground. And the shingle horse or the shaving bench set up for using a draw knife to shape the staves. The assembled barrels are stacked on their sides, with the ends wrapped to hold their shape. The maker could be using willow or oak saplings instead of barrel hoops.

 

The timbers neatly stacked and the footings near the tracks looks to be a construction project underway. Maybe the factory building for the barrel maker.

 

Not sure what the building is in the background. But it looks like an ice house on the left and early structure for moving blocks of ice into the building. Also note the covered loading dock, to protect what is being loaded. Reminiscent of a meat packing structure. Meat was packed in barrels, hence the term meat packers. I’m going to venture a guess and say that is the TM Sinclair meat plant in Cedar Rapids Iowa. Sinclair started in 1871. And for many years was known as Wilson. Sinclair had a cooperage, ie barrel maker. If Sinclair, that dates the photo to soon after 1871, before the advent of refrigerator cars.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 11:46 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] What a fascinating scene!

 

 

Hi List Members,

What a fascinating scene!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19273050474/sizes/o/

Seemingly taken on the Burlington, Cedar Rapids and Minnesota Railway (BCR&M) - later Rock Island according to this Wikipedia
article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscatine_and_Iowa_City_Railway

First an early bulkhead flat, probably lettered BCR&M altho it is hard to tell. Are the verticals on the flat car made from rails?
It looks like they might possibly be, altho it is difficult to say with any certainty.

Next two BCR&M boxcars.

Next a CB&Q boxcar, next a M&StP, and the image becomes a little unclear after that.

I wonder if this is some sort of construction site, there is what appears to be wood and barrels all over the place, what might be
footings for a building or other upcoming structure, and the ground looks like it was recently graded.

Enjoy!

Claus Schlund


Some more nice images...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Re: What a fascinating scene!

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
"What a fascinating scene!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19273050474/sizes/o/
<>
First an early bulkhead flat, probably lettered BCR&M altho it is hard to tell. Are the verticals on the flat car made from rails?
It looks like they might possibly be, altho it is difficult to say with any certainty.

Next two BCR&M boxcars.

Next a CB&Q boxcar, next a M&StP, and the image becomes a little unclear after that.

I wonder if this is some sort of construction site, there is what appears to be wood and barrels all over the place, what might be
footings for a building or other upcoming structure, and the ground looks like it was recently graded."

I always enjoy these scenes as they illustrates the fallacy of the "three-foot rule".  It's used to justify "close enough" or sloppy modeling, but the reality is you can still identify car types and the wider perspective often shines a light on other things that are missed, including car variety or details (or lack thereof) that contribute to the overall scene.


Ben Hom


Re: a partial view of a StLIM&S boxcar

greg kennelly
 

There is a sign attached to the car to the right of and above the "KEEP OFF" notice that reads "Presented By" and a couple of names that I cannot quite make out - looks like it might say "Jo?? and Father"? - in an oval.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly,
Burnaby, BC


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Re: Sourcing assistance, please

Robert Kessler
 

Precision Scale Co.


Re: a partial view of a StLIM&S boxcar

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

The photo must be at the St. Louis Museum of Transport . The box cab in the background certainly looks like EMD #50, which is at the museum, and the CNER #5529 ditto.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Okoboji, IA


Re: SS BADGER

anthony wagner
 

Back in the 70s I watched the Soo Line switch a car ferry at Manitowoc WI for a short while. Hazy on the details. I was on my way to Green Bay and didn't have time to see how the ferry was un-loaded and then re-loaded. I know balance was important so several short cuts were moved instead of longer ones. George Hilton published a book a while back on Great Lakes car ferries. There were more than many people expect. Tony Wagner


On Monday, August 14, 2017 11:38 AM, "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I did the trip about 18 years ago. If you live in the mid-west it should be on your "bucket list".

At Ludington, I recall that there were old freight cars and remnants of the rail yard etc. for the ferry operations.

Do they still service freight traffic? When I crossed on a week day, I believe, they had several special trailer trucks hauling bridge components too big to use the Interstates around Chicago. Something the railroads did in the steam era.

Regards,

Bob Witt



Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

charles slater
 

Bill the Tk-O's were built in 1953 not 1963. And no those non skid strips were not there as built but probably added in the 1970's or 1980's. 

Charlie


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models
 
 

One of the cars in my "TO BE UPGRADED"  pile is a Tk-O tank car from Division Point.  I purchased a photo of car number 98040 with a build date of 1963 from Bob's. The car is banded for DIESLE FUEL and the photo was taken in 1957,  What has held up my progress on this project are anti-slip strips placed around the dohme.  The pattern of the strips is not clear in the photo.  I would also like to know if the strips were on the car as delivered or added later.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Bill Pardi
On Aug 13, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

There are two major things wrong with their ad. First the side running boards WERE NOT DIAMOND PLATE steel but open grid steel the same as the dome platforms. Second the Tk-O is the same as the Tk-N and not the TK-M. I have sent the corrections to San Juan Car Co. and they said samples should arrive shortly and they think everything will be OK, otherwise we will have another bad model.
Charlie Slater

Bakersfield, Ca. 


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Announcement pages 1 & 2 uploaded

https://www.flickr.com/photos/timboconnor/36112470400/

Delivery is 15 MONTHS or more, but reservations end in ONE MONTH

Caveat emptor




Tim,

I do not see these on the American Limited web site. Do you have any additional information?

Thanks & Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA




American Limited has announced HO scale tank car models! Built in
the late 1940's with steel grid walkways and open grid dome platforms.

Too bad they're not SP tank cars. :-(

But they are the first 16,000 gallon plastic tank car models in HO scale
and a number of railroads had cars of this size. Major kitbash fodder if
nothing else. :-)

Tim O'Connor




Re: a partial view of a StLIM&S boxcar

Don Burn
 

Well CNR 5529 is at the Museum of Transportation in St Louis since 1958 so I suspect there.

Don Burn

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The boxcar has the second grab iron installed, so it’s a later time than some earlier pictures. The rail it is on is very small with no tie plates and not enough of a view to determine if it’s on an industry owned track.



Gary Laakso

North West of Mike Brock

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That actually looks like it is in an early RR museum. Note the unballasted track, KEEP OFF signs on just about everything, barbed wire strung between the boxcar and tender and over the front foot boards, and what appears to be either a gas electric or early oil electric boxcab behind the engine in the foreground. If I had to guess, the formative years at Steamtown in Bellows Falls, VT.




Dennis Storzek


Re: ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

charles slater
 

John you are correct, the running boards and dome platforms on both the Tk-N and Tk-O were from Blow-Knox.  The society tank car book page 84 calls that out and were

 11 3/4" wide. Also on page 89 you can see them on the lower photo.

Good to hear from you John

Charlie Slater  


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models
 
 

Charlie

My folio sheet for the TK-N has the side running board as Blaw-Knox the same as the dome step.  My folio sheet for the TK-O did not call out either the side running board or the dome step.

I downloaded the advertising sheet for these tank cars showing the paint and lettering schemes for the cars are all dated outside the 1960 cut off date for the list.  They are painted like they would have been in service during the mid 1970s and 1980s

The commodity markings before 1960 were the gray diesel fuel (builders photo of TK-N with gray diesel fuel markings 1953 CBD) and maybe the red gasoline for these two tank car classes. 

As you well know green distillate marking was used during this pre 1960  time period but may not have been used on either of  these two tank car classes.
Just comments

John in Albuquerque


From: "Charles Slater atsfcondr42@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] ATSF Tk-N Tk-O tank car models

 
There are two major things wrong with their ad. First the side running boards WERE NOT DIAMOND PLATE steel but open grid steel the same as the dome platforms. Second the Tk-O is the same as the Tk-N and not the TK-M. I have sent the corrections to San Juan Car Co. and they said samples should arrive shortly and they think everything will be OK, otherwise we will have another bad model.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca. 


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