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Re: READING well hole car information needed

Bruce Smith
 

I have posted the photograph of P&R 99007 with its load to our photos section.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al


Re: Jib Crane

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

There is or was a similar, but smaller crane, visible along the former C&O that I photographed from Amtrak's Cardinal a few years ago. It was just outside one of the scheduled stops, which I think would have been Ashland, South Shore or Maysville, Kentucky. My money is on Maysville, but I can't remember for sure. The crane was abandoned and in the weeds, though still standing, and might still be there. Any thoughts?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: R DL&W Post WWII Steel Boxcar, a pretty easy(?) kit-bash

pennsylvania1954
 

Bill, Andy, and Ken--I went back and figured out what I did to get my DL&W car. Using Branchline 2E Rib+3/4 rolling pin rib ends, I sanded the rectangular rib off then shortened the 10'6" end by trimming the top of the end. When I built the car, I was unaware of the prototype's flattened upper rib. I think the only photo I had at the time was the one of 52469 with the end only partially in view.

Andy, my findings are quite different from yours: the Branchline ends are an excellent match in width. I have next to me an undec IM 40799 body and Branchline 1E (rib+3/4 banana ribs)(I used up my 2E's) and they are an excellent match. Also comparing these Branchline ends to IM mini rib+3/4 ends shows matching widths.

The problem that I see is that the IM body does not have a row of rivets at the extreme end of the sides, as does the Branchline Blueprint 10'6" body. The IM body, of course, was designed to use earlier DN ends which have that rivet row modeled on each side of the end.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim,

There was a jib crane at the B&M terminus at Rockport, MA for many years.  I believe its primary use was loading granite blocks fom local quarries on Cape Ann into gons or onto flats.  Somewhere I have a photo of it, but finding isn't a possibility at this point, and the area where it existed in Rockport has been substantially changed by the MTA for perhaps 30-40 years.

Todd Sullivan


Re: SS BADGER

tbarney2004
 

To be fair, the load is marked "Do not hump", doesn't say a darn thing about not wrecking it.

Tim Barney

On 8/14/2017 8:19 PM, Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] wrote:
Andy, is "some discomfort" your euphemism for claim agents nightmare?
Nobody is happy when the big hook has to roll.
Chuck Peck 

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:59 PM, andy.laurent@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA

 




Re: Some more nice images...

Chet
 

The Wabash hopper car to the left of the crossing appears to be a 30xxx series car from the 30001 - 30294 group built by Standard Steel Car in 1912.  The cars had a 30'-6" IL and a 1738 cuft capacity.  281 cars were still on the roster in 1931, but they were all gone by 1940.

The next car to the left is a 34xxx series car from the 34001 - 34568 group built by Western Steel Car in 1913.

The cars received new bodies with rebuilt arch bar trucks.  The sides of the cars were six inches lower in height than the 30xxx series cars.  They  had a 28'-0" IL and cu ft  capy. of 1688.  407 cars were still on the roster in 1931, but they were all gone by 1940.

The other three hopper cars appear to be USRA cars in the 35000 - 35999 series built in 1919 by AC&F, Standard Steel Car, and Ralston Steel Car. The cars had a 30'-6" IL and a cu ft capy. of 1880.  In the 1930's, most of these cars received raised panel sides which increased the cu ft capy to 1941.  The last of the 35000's were scrapped in 1952.

The flat car does not show in the listing of coal cars or flat cars.  The number looks like it might be 37xx.  The Wabash did have some 37xx series cars in company service.


NIce photo!


Chet French

Dixon, IL


Re: SS BADGER

Tim O'Connor
 


Anyone recognize the gondola? I see what looks like a plain white
circular herald. Could it be a DM&IR mill gondola?

Tim O'



Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA


https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files


Re: Sourcing assistance, please

gtws00
 

Angle Cock Bracket Brass  39156
Westinghouse Retainer Valve Plastic  31796


George Toman


Re: Sourcing assistance, please

Tim O'Connor
 


Dennis -

PSC #39156


Try ordering direct:

https://www.precisionscaleco.com/ordering/

Look through the catalogs and put together a $30 order. Pick a few alternates in case something is out of stock. Don't forget the EXCELLENT angle cock brackets :-) Anyone have the part number off the top of their head?

Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O flatcar decals

Brian Carlson
 

I want to thank all who replied through the generosity of the list members I have a set of decals to backdate my car.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 11:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: B&O flatcar decals

 

 

I model 1957. 

 

To answer SGL. Yep. 

Brian J. Carlson 


On Aug 13, 2017, at 11:22 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I had trouble viewing the image, but after I resolved that problem I agree with Tim. Yes, the Speedwitch B&O flat car set should work very well indeed.

Brian, what is your period? The B&O began converting the P-25 to bulkhead car in 1954-1955 with the first group of 83 cars.

Regards,

Bob


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Tim O'Connor
 


Wow, you found it Claus! This is one of those thriving small railroad
operations in Massachusetts (the other being Palmer MA) that feed off of
the former Boston & Albany RR. They seem to be managed by people who love
trains and history!

Tim O'Connor



Perhaps this is it, as viewed by Google from the air...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield,+MA+01085/@42.1324046,-72.7450791,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e71f6f4de13611:0xc64860b0570e76a7!8m2!3d42.1250929!4d-72.749538

The location is labeled as "Westfield Electroplating"

Claus Schlund (moving to Amherst, MA is two months)


> There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
> Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
> back so I don't know if it's still there.
>
> Tim O'Connor


Re: SS BADGER

patti and stan schweitzer <psschweitzer@...>
 

Looking at the photo, it appears that there is more distortion of the track to the right of the cars shown than under the cars or to the left of the cars.  I think there has been already considerable clean up performed, including removal of what caused the problem.  I would have liked to see the situation before the start of the cleanup and what the track looks like to the right of the photo.
Stan Schweitzer



From: "Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SS BADGER

 
Andy, is "some discomfort" your euphemism for claim agents nightmare?
Nobody is happy when the big hook has to roll.
Chuck Peck 

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:59 PM, andy.laurent@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/ Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951. jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA
 




Re: SS BADGER

Bud Rindfleisch
 

So nice to see these pics! I rode across Lake Michigan back in the mid 50's Ludington to Manitowoc on both the Badger and the Spartan. Used to love standing on the aft deck and watching them load the freight cars, balancing from one track to the other to keep the ship from listing. 
     One trip was a rough passage with pretty much our whole family throwing up, not fun, but all the rest were great. If I remember correctly it was a little over 4 hours to cross.
      Bud Rindfleisch


Re: SS BADGER

Charles Peck
 

Andy, is "some discomfort" your euphemism for claim agents nightmare?
Nobody is happy when the big hook has to roll.
Chuck Peck 

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 4:59 PM, andy.laurent@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA

 



Re: SS BADGER

Andy Laurent
 

Gents,
Let's take this SS Badger discussion full circle back to this list.  Here is a photo that I uploaded to the Group Files from the Mailer-Luedke Collection showing a component of the Skinner Unaflow engines being shipped to Christy Corporation in Sturgeon Bay, Wisc on the Ahnapee & Western Railway. The trailing gondola has some steel sub-assemblies that look an awful lot like boat parts as well.  Christy was building the Badger and the Spartan at the time of this incident. The load met with some discomfort in a curve near Forestville, Wisc and ended up as shown. 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Badger-componentAWRwy_c1951.jpg

Enjoy!
Andy L.
Cedar Rapids, IA

 


Square Brake Shaft

Bill Welch
 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pdhd9ss57z7pkeg/AAByFSUyJuYf-OSQ2cw3gni_a?dl=0


The above link will take you to two photos showing the new brake wheel I made today for my General American Type 30 Union Starch tank car. The prototype photo I have of the "B" end clearly shows a square brake shaft so. . ..


Photos are not great but will give you the idea. I will bring the spool I have and some cutters if you want a length but remember to bring a container to keep it straight.


Bill Welch



Re: Sourcing assistance, please

destorzek@...
 

Try ordering direct:


Look through the catalogs and put together a $30 order. Pick a few alternates in case something is out of stock. Don't forget the EXCELLENT angle cock brackets :-) Anyone have the part number off the top of their head?

Dennis Storzek


Re: Weathering and lettering detail from an old photo

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Eric,

Always a pleasure to read your posts. With respect to the lone H21 in the image, you wrote in one portion of your blog: "This car could be one of the Pennsylvania Railroad’s (PRR) H21 class hoppers. The car design was introduced in 1909 as a coke hauler but by the 1921 photo date many were hauling coal".

Note that the car under discussion has arch-bar trucks. The H21 class was originally equipped with 50-ton arch-bars when used for coke. When they started hauling coal, the top chord reinforcing angle quickly came along to prevent the sides from bulging.

I was always under the impression that the trucks were upgraded at the same time to 70-ton Crown trucks. Apparently, this was not always the case, as shown by this photo. This is the first time I see such a car still equipped with arch-bar trucks. Wether the arch-bar trucks shown are 50-ton or 70-ton types is beyond my ability to say.

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: "1914to1940RRingr@..." <1914to1940RRing@...>; "STMFC YahooGroup" <STMFC@...>; <resinfreightcars@...>; <proto-layouts@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 4:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Weathering and lettering detail from an old photo





We take a closer look at a 1921 Lackawanna image to check interesting details on a few hoppers in the latest DesignBuildOp blog post. Grab your coffee and a donut then click on the link to check it out.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/08/12/prototype-freight-car-details/







Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN





Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Richard Brennan
 

Google street view shows the jib crane there as of Aug 2013
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1316618,-72.7438838,3a,15y,310.57h,92.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1I_QsJ-BTM4I9vn0Paag5w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

...right next to someone's nicely maintained red cupola (steam-era?) caboose!
--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 01:46 PM 8/14/2017, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] wrote:
Perhaps this is it, as viewed by Google from the air...
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield,+MA+01085/@42.1324046,-72.7450791,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e71f6f4de13611:0xc64860b0570e76a7!8m2!3d42.1250929!4d-72.749538
The location is labeled as "Westfield Electroplating"

Claus Schlund (moving to Amherst, MA is two months)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
back so I don't know if it's still there.

Tim O'Connor

On 8/13/2017 10:14 AM,
<mailto:thecitrusbelt@...>thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
Nice image of a jib crane in this particular link:
Close to the old Alexander model. Don't know if it's still made.

Jon Miller


Re: SS BADGER

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <anycw1@...> wrote :

Back in the 70s I watched the Soo Line switch a car ferry at Manitowoc WI for a short while. Hazy on the details. I was on my way to Green Bay and didn't have time to see how the ferry was un-loaded and then re-loaded. I know balance was important so several short cuts were moved instead of longer ones. George Hilton published a book a while back on Great Lakes car ferries. There were more than many people expect. Tony Wagner
==============================
My wife and I rode the Badger across the lake, and the City of Midland back a few years before the C&O abandoned the service. Back in those days, if you started your round trip on the west side of the lake, you likely rode two different boats... the Badger having been immediately reloaded with cars for a different western port.

While standing on the aft deck of the Midland in Ludington, watching the loading, the switch crew was loading a string of big, modern tankcars (this was well after the 1960 cut-off of this list). They kept pushing, and we kept listing, more and more... then they stopped, and the switch foreman was having a "discussion" with the deck officer, accompanied by a lot of arm waving, then the switch crew started pulling the tank cars off again, and we came upright. I don't recall what they replaced the tankcars with, but all the tankcars didn't make the trip across the lake together.

Dennis Storzek

43521 - 43540 of 195500