Date   

Source For HO Scale Load Strapping?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I'm looking for a source of thin, narrow metal strapping for securing HO scale loads on flat cars. I've been using plastic chart tape for gondola loads but I'd like to try metal for flat car loads.

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Enterprise Gondola - Ulrich Kit

Tim O'Connor
 

Hi Steve!

I think it represents the SP G-50-9/-10/-11 classes (basically exact match).

Definitely not any UCR gondola that I've seen, but I do have a picture of a
seriously kitbashed Detail Associates gondola model made to represent one of
the 1920's UCR gondolas.

I have not seen any UP gondolas that are an exact match (different ends, for
example) but I don't know much about the UP's cars so maybe ...

Soo and GN gondolas had different side sills (bolster to end) perhaps they
had 12 doors instead of 16? They also had different ends from the SP cars
(and the model) and were different from each other.

I have no info on the M&StL gondolas.

It was not unusual in the 1950's for SP GS gondolas to be employed for lumber,
pipe, or scrap metal - I think any of those uses is plausible for Rock Island.

Tim





I found a nice, unbuilt Ulrich kit for an Enterprise Gondola at a hobby shop while travelling.  Although I have looked in the Conversation archives, I don't find any kind of listing of which roads rostered cars like this?  Has there been anything published or on-line on rosters, builder's lists, photos, etc.?

I got the kit lettered for the Enterprise Railway Equipment Company, EREX 205.  Since I will have to paint the rest of the parts, I would prefer to paint for a road where there is a reasonable chance the car would pass through Illinois on the Rock Island in the early 1950's.

The instruction sheet lists kits as being available for UP, SP, M&StL, UCR, GN, SOO.  Are other lines appropriate?

Thanks so much,
Steve Hile


Re: Enterprise Gondola - Ulrich Kit

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: Enterprise Gondola - Ulrich Kit

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Hile wrote:

 

I found a nice, unbuilt Ulrich kit for an Enterprise Gondola at a hobby shop while travelling. Although I have looked in the Conversation archives, I don't find any kind of listing of which roads rostered cars like this? Has there been anything published or on-line on rosters, builder's lists, photos, etc.?

I got the kit lettered for the Enterprise Railway Equipment Company, EREX 205. Since I will have to paint the rest of the parts, I would prefer to paint for a road where there is a reasonable chance the car would pass through Illinois on the Rock Island in the early 1950's.

The instruction sheet lists kits as being available for UP, SP, M&StL, UCR, GN, SOO. Are other lines appropriate?

       The kit is quite good for the standard Enterprise design car that a number of railroads did use. For SP and UP, it is quite close. The UCR design is right, but the cars were longer, 46 feet, IIRC. Other users I'm not so sure about. But these were rugged cars that really held up in service. For most owners, they remained in service for decades.
        Some will say the representation of the operating rod below the car side is oversize, and it its, to some extent, though since the prototype was a square shaft, a little work with a file will bring it closer to scale.
         I can send you SP photos off-list, if you wish. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Enterprise Gondola - Ulrich Kit

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I found a nice, unbuilt Ulrich kit for an Enterprise Gondola at a hobby shop while travelling. Although I have looked in the Conversation archives, I don't find any kind of listing of which roads rostered cars like this? Has there been anything published or on-line on rosters, builder's lists, photos, etc.?

I got the kit lettered for the Enterprise Railway Equipment Company, EREX 205. Since I will have to paint the rest of the parts, I would prefer to paint for a road where there is a reasonable chance the car would pass through Illinois on the Rock Island in the early 1950's.

The instruction sheet lists kits as being available for UP, SP, M&StL, UCR, GN, SOO. Are other lines appropriate?

Thanks so much,
Steve Hile


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /RI boxcar 1988 001.JPG
Uploaded by : risrwy <risrwy@...>
Description : Interior graffiti taken in 1984, Pre-Emption, IL

You can access this file at the URL:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/RI%20boxcar%201988%20001.JPG

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

risrwy <risrwy@...>


Re: Tie replacement scene

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <garywildu@...> wrote :

There look like a flat car behind the used tie you can just make out the truck under it

gary

=================

I'm not seeing the flatcar, but I do have the distinct impression there is (or was) another track under that pile... mostly because the slope of the cut diverges from the tracks we see. If there is another track closer to the cut bank, it would likely join the track the photo was taken from just about where the gang is gathered.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Tie replacement scene

Gary Wildung
 

There look like a flat car behind the used tie you can just make out the truck under it

gary




From: STMFC@... on behalf of destorzek@... [STMFC] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tie replacement scene
 
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :


https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19708054558/sizes/o/





Are the ties old ones removed from under the track? Maybe waiting to be picked up and hauled away, or alternately to be burned on
site? The barrels, I would guess spikes get delivered to the worksite that way, and maybe these are now empty barrels? I see a lot
of workers, but no equipment to help them in their task - no crane, no jacks, not even pry bars or other tools - why is that?
Claus Schlund
======================

In the era 'tween the wars that most these photos were taken, there wasn't much mechanization of track work. The reason you don't see any bars or jacks, and the workers look somewhat like a disorganized mob, is this photo, like many of the others, was taken from the rear platform of a moving train. The gang has been standing clear of the track for the train to pass; no reason to carry your heavy bar with you, just lay it down where you will be working once the train passes.

Yes the ties appear to have been used, but this doesn't look like a running tie replacement program; too much material all in one spot, and no evidence of any tie replacement in the foreground. It almost looks like it is emergency track work due to a derailment, or else renewal of either turnouts or a timber culvert, but it is really hard to see what is actually going on where most the men are grouped.

Yes, standard packaging for spikes was wooden kegs, later steel cans of about 10 or 15 gallon capacity. The kegs were saved and any bent or worn spikes went in them to be picked up for scrap.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Tie replacement scene

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <claus@...> wrote :


https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19708054558/sizes/o/


Are the ties old ones removed from under the track? Maybe waiting to be picked up and hauled away, or alternately to be burned on
site? The barrels, I would guess spikes get delivered to the worksite that way, and maybe these are now empty barrels? I see a lot
of workers, but no equipment to help them in their task - no crane, no jacks, not even pry bars or other tools - why is that?
Claus Schlund
======================

In the era 'tween the wars that most these photos were taken, there wasn't much mechanization of track work. The reason you don't see any bars or jacks, and the workers look somewhat like a disorganized mob, is this photo, like many of the others, was taken from the rear platform of a moving train. The gang has been standing clear of the track for the train to pass; no reason to carry your heavy bar with you, just lay it down where you will be working once the train passes.

Yes the ties appear to have been used, but this doesn't look like a running tie replacement program; too much material all in one spot, and no evidence of any tie replacement in the foreground. It almost looks like it is emergency track work due to a derailment, or else renewal of either turnouts or a timber culvert, but it is really hard to see what is actually going on where most the men are grouped.

Yes, standard packaging for spikes was wooden kegs, later steel cans of about 10 or 15 gallon capacity. The kegs were saved and any bent or worn spikes went in them to be picked up for scrap.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Some more nice images...

Chet
 

The cars were described that way in the Wabash 1931 equipment book.  I assumed it was to bring the attention to the fact that they were new cars but had rebuilt trucks in 1913.


Chet French

Dixon, IL


Re: this nice scene showing a bulk oil dealer receiving track...

Ted Schnepf
 

At 09:10 PM 8/13/2017, you wrote:

Hi Claus,

I believe this might be the Ferdinad RR shortline in southern Indiana.  The leaning coach office seems familiar.

ted



No one seems to have commented on the grounded wooden passenger car between the tracks and
the house  It leaves me wondering....depot?   MOW shed?    Freight office?
Chuck Peck

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 7:02 PM, 'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used.  HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Steve SANDIFER
 

If you go to the street view, you will see a passenger car and a caboose parked next to it. This is the Pioneer Valley RR yard. View https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBW3XOToc2M and you can see it at 5:30 into the video.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 3:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

 

 

Hi Tim and List Members,

Perhaps this is it, as viewed by Google from the air...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westfield,+MA+01085/@42.1324046,-72.7450791,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e71f6f4de13611:0xc64860b0570e76a7!8m2!3d42.1250929!4d-72.749538

The location is labeled as "Westfield Electroplating"

Claus Schlund (moving to Amherst, MA is two months)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

>
> There was an old jib crane identical to the Alexander model in
> Westfield, Massachusetts well into the late 1990's. I haven't been
> back so I don't know if it's still there.
>
> Tim O'Connor
>
>
>
>
>>On 8/13/2017 10:14 AM, <mailto:thecitrusbelt@...>thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
>>>
>>>Nice image of a jib crane in this particular link:
>>
>>Close to the old Alexander model. Don't know if it's still made.
>>
>>--
>>Jon Miller
>
>


Tie replacement scene

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List members,

Consider if you would this right-of-way scene... looks like some tie replacement is going on

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/19708054558/sizes/o/

I think I need some help in understanding what is going on. Next to the very neat and tidy RoW there are barrels and ties to be seen. In the distance is what might be a work crew, lots of them, maybe 40 or more workers.

Are the ties old ones removed from under the track? Maybe waiting to be picked up and hauled away, or alternately to be burned on site? The barrels, I would guess spikes get delivered to the worksite that way, and maybe these are now empty barrels? I see a lot of workers, but no equipment to help them in their task - no crane, no jacks, not even pry bars or other tools - why is that?

Thanks for your thoughts.

I realize there is not a steam era freight car in sight, and if the list moderators feel this is too far in left field I will abide by that decision.

Claus Schlund


Re: READING well hole car information needed

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bruce asnd List Members,

Thanks Bruce for posting this.

Interesting way to support the load - looks like the transport engineers ran many, many timbers thru the opening to provide the primary support for the load.

I love the SOU and UP stock cars in the background - on a photo likely taken on the east coast somewhere, York PA perhaps?

Bruce, I don't recall if you mentioned a date in your initial inquiry - do we know what year this was taken?

Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "smithbf@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: READING well hole car information needed


I have posted the photograph of P&R 99007 with its load to our photos section. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/1310474005?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/1310474005 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/1310474005?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/1310474005



Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al



Re: Some more nice images...

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

David,


Maybe they were concerned about the capabilities of used arc-bar trucks and wanted to limit their overloading capacities?


Al

On August 15, 2017 at 11:03 AM "jaydeet2001@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

"The next car to the left is a 34xxx series car from the 34001 - 34568 group built by Western Steel Car in 1913. The cars received new bodies with rebuilt arch bar trucks.  The sides of the cars were six inches lower in height than the 30xxx series cars.  They  had a 28'-0" IL and cu ft  capy. of 1688.  407 cars were still on the roster in 1931, but they were all gone by 1940."


I'm curious- what were they rebodied from? 1913 is pretty early to rebody steel hoppers, and it seems strange that the car would be deliberately undersized compared to the 1912 order.


David Thompson


 


 


Re: Some more nice images...

David
 

"The next car to the left is a 34xxx series car from the 34001 - 34568 group built by Western Steel Car in 1913. The cars received new bodies with rebuilt arch bar trucks.  The sides of the cars were six inches lower in height than the 30xxx series cars.  They  had a 28'-0" IL and cu ft  capy. of 1688.  407 cars were still on the roster in 1931, but they were all gone by 1940."


I'm curious- what were they rebodied from? 1913 is pretty early to rebody steel hoppers, and it seems strange that the car would be deliberately undersized compared to the 1912 order.


David Thompson



Re: READING well hole car information needed

Bruce Smith
 

I have posted the photograph of P&R 99007 with its load to our photos section.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al


Re: Jib Crane

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

There is or was a similar, but smaller crane, visible along the former C&O that I photographed from Amtrak's Cardinal a few years ago. It was just outside one of the scheduled stops, which I think would have been Ashland, South Shore or Maysville, Kentucky. My money is on Maysville, but I can't remember for sure. The crane was abandoned and in the weeds, though still standing, and might still be there. Any thoughts?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: R DL&W Post WWII Steel Boxcar, a pretty easy(?) kit-bash

pennsylvania1954
 

Bill, Andy, and Ken--I went back and figured out what I did to get my DL&W car. Using Branchline 2E Rib+3/4 rolling pin rib ends, I sanded the rectangular rib off then shortened the 10'6" end by trimming the top of the end. When I built the car, I was unaware of the prototype's flattened upper rib. I think the only photo I had at the time was the one of 52469 with the end only partially in view.

Andy, my findings are quite different from yours: the Branchline ends are an excellent match in width. I have next to me an undec IM 40799 body and Branchline 1E (rib+3/4 banana ribs)(I used up my 2E's) and they are an excellent match. Also comparing these Branchline ends to IM mini rib+3/4 ends shows matching widths.

The problem that I see is that the IM body does not have a row of rivets at the extreme end of the sides, as does the Branchline Blueprint 10'6" body. The IM body, of course, was designed to use earlier DN ends which have that rivet row modeled on each side of the end.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Various Freight Houses (Jib Crane)

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim,

There was a jib crane at the B&M terminus at Rockport, MA for many years.  I believe its primary use was loading granite blocks fom local quarries on Cape Ann into gons or onto flats.  Somewhere I have a photo of it, but finding isn't a possibility at this point, and the area where it existed in Rockport has been substantially changed by the MTA for perhaps 30-40 years.

Todd Sullivan

41481 - 41500 of 193476