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Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Peter Burr <pburr47@...>
 

In today's Shorpy pic of a Nebraska rail yard in 1938, I notice many of the box cars pictured have no visible brake wheel. What's with that???
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Re: Building the new Owl Mountain flat car

owlmtmodels
 

Bill,

1. The Steps are brass castings, as are the brake wheel and roping staples.

2. Complete Roster is reposted at http://www.owlmtmodels.com/OMM_Aug_2017_News/OMM_August_2017_News.html

Advanced reservations are closing Friday, Sept 15, 2017.  Public release will follow our filling of the advanced reservation orders.

Jason Hill
OwlMtModels, LLC



---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

Two questions Tony

1.) are the Sill Steps plastic or metal?

2.) Did the TN&O own any of these?

Bill Welch
 


Re: Building the new Owl Mountain flat car

Tony Thompson
 

1.) are the Sill Steps plastic or metal?

       They are gorgeous brass castings. I hope they might be available as parts. I would sure use some.

2.) Did the TN&O own any of these?

Yes, around 500 cars of the early group (classes F-50-5, -8 and -9). The kit has decals for them.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






SFRD 17558 Rr-25

Tim O'Connor
 

I love to railfan online - no date but I'm guessing this is at the
very end of the STMFC era (circa 1960). This car was originally rebuilt
in 1939 and later rebuilt again with a plug door and other improvements.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sooliner/6722251403/

Tim O'Connor


Re: Building the new Owl Mountain flat car

Bill Welch
 

Two questions Tony

1.) are the Sill Steps plastic or metal?

2.) Did the TN&O own any of these?

Bill Welch


Building the new Owl Mountain flat car

Tony Thompson
 

I have posted to my blog a description of building this very fine new kit from Owl Mountain, for an SP "Harriman" flat car. I really like how well the parts go together, and the final product is, to my eye, very handsome. If you're interested in the build, here is a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2017/09/building-owl-mountain-flat-car.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Modeling Monon #37 PS1 Underframe

Bill Welch
 

One of the highlights of Ed Hawkins' very fine presentation about the 40-foot Pullman PS1 at the 2017 Collinsville RPM was learning that despite their Rectangular panel roofs and improved Dreadnaught ends, the Monon's 1-500 series were actually PS1's. This interested me because I have building a model of Monon #37. Since C'ville a photo surfaced of the underframe and I decided to build a new underframe for my model. After getting a spare InterMountain PS1 underframe from a friend I decided to use a piece Evergreen styrene for the floor. The CB&T body was too narrow for the underframe part so the first step was to cut the bolsters, cross ties and cross bears from the center sill. I then cut the Evergreen to fit the C&BT body. This required more than the typical fitting as the body had several reinforcements to strength the brittle plastic of the body. Once the centersill was glued to the Evergreen floor, I trimmed the bolsters and cross bearers to fit the new structure. Before gluing the bolsters in place I created the elongated holes in the bolsters to match the prototype photo. I also used the cross bearers that came with the IM u/f. The IM cross ties did not match in the prototype photo so I used Evergreen channel. Mine are not the exact shape in the photo but capture the feel—good enough for me. From this point it was just a matter of placing the three main components in place, then the piping, levers and rods. The cylinder, reservoir, and AB valve are from a recently purchased IM 70-ton flat car that I was not going to use because it cannot be seen. The dirt collector is Tichy, as are clevices made from their turnbuckles. The fact that the brake cylinder had a big dimple did not bother me since it will be in shadow. The jewel of the underframe is the brass slack adjuster made for me by a very good friend especially for this u/f. A few drops of epoxy from its attachment can be seen on the floor. I filled in the truck holes with "Two-Ton" epoxy since there was not a boss to screw into. My plan is to simply drill into the epoxy and run the screws in.

For those interested here is the link to five photos of the new u/f in primer: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a6estz54pg64hmy/AABbQDFlnYVENME2uTSP01Bqa?dl=0

Bill Welch
 


SOLD:Out of the box thinking--a rewarding trait in our hobby

Andy Carlson
 

It has a new home. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Andy Carlson
To: STMFC YahooGroup
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:00 AM
Subject: Out of the box thinking--a rewarding trait in our hobby

I have a great deal of respect to the clever folks who make our hobby much more interesting. Numerous examples abound, and I have met several of them.  I would place our own Tom Madden, Byron Rose, Robert Zenk, Wayne Madison and Terry Wegmann as a few of the many.

A little story which dovetails with this. Years ago, the noted NP HO modeler, Jack Parker, proprietor of CENTRAL VALLEY MODEL WORKS, had a good friend and frequent visitor, David Coster. Both gentlemen were ardent Northern Pacific modelers, and David had one of those "out of the box' moments. Wanting several NP wood sided ice bunker reefers, the choices were sunshine resin, and W&R brass. David felt that the Red Caboose factory painted NP wood cabooses, though foobies due to the roof and underframe differences, were actually very close to the prototype. David made a kit bashed NP reefer using the RC decorated kit, plus he used a narrowed longitudinally CV NP stock car radial roof. For the underframe, Dave used an Accurail fish belly from their 40' SS box car series. The ends were OK after the gaps along the top were covered by a thin fascia trim strip.

Jack told his other good friend, Terry Wegman, about this simple kit bash. Terry shared this with his TUES evening modelers group. Member Jerry Glow (Who later became better known with his decal line) made one of these conversions which he made into a construction article, which was published (Maybe in the NP Mainstreeter publication?).

Terry, being an individual intrigued by anything shiny or cool, came back with a CV roof which he milled the one scale foot out of the length of the roof while still on the sprue. Someone cut the fascia strip with a cricket type of cutter onto a peel-n-stick sheet.

Comparing the finished HO models with prototype pictures shows the height of the area between the door top and the roof eaves to be a little short, about 2-3 scale inches. Otherwise, things look good.

Terry did a few roofs for his friends, and never publicized the parts he did beyond the group. I am fortunate to have acquired one of these "Wegmannized" NP reefer kits. It has the machined CV roof, and the die-cut end fascia board pairs. This kit does not have the Accurail fishbelly underframe. The RC car is NP 90513, with a stencil date of 2-42. RC kit #RC-4435-09.

If any one reading this post would like to purchase this kit for $29, 1st class shipping included, contact me off-list.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson, Ojai CA



Out of the box thinking--a rewarding trait in our hobby

Andy Carlson
 

I have a great deal of respect to the clever folks who make our hobby much more interesting. Numerous examples abound, and I have met several of them.  I would place our own Tom Madden, Byron Rose, Robert Zenk, Wayne Madison and Terry Wegmann as a few of the many.

A little story which dovetails with this. Years ago, the noted NP HO modeler, Jack Parker, proprietor of CENTRAL VALLEY MODEL WORKS, had a good friend and frequent visitor, David Coster. Both gentlemen were ardent Northern Pacific modelers, and David had one of those "out of the box' moments. Wanting several NP wood sided ice bunker reefers, the choices were sunshine resin, and W&R brass. David felt that the Red Caboose factory painted NP wood cabooses, though foobies due to the roof and underframe differences, were actually very close to the prototype. David made a kit bashed NP reefer using the RC decorated kit, plus he used a narrowed longitudinally CV NP stock car radial roof. For the underframe, Dave used an Accurail fish belly from their 40' SS box car series. The ends were OK after the gaps along the top were covered by a thin fascia trim strip.

Jack told his other good friend, Terry Wegman, about this simple kit bash. Terry shared this with his TUES evening modelers group. Member Jerry Glow (Who later became better known with his decal line) made one of these conversions which he made into a construction article, which was published (Maybe in the NP Mainstreeter publication?).

Terry, being an individual intrigued by anything shiny or cool, came back with a CV roof which he milled the one scale foot out of the length of the roof while still on the sprue. Someone cut the fascia strip with a cricket type of cutter onto a peel-n-stick sheet.

Comparing the finished HO models with prototype pictures shows the height of the area between the door top and the roof eaves to be a little short, about 2-3 scale inches. Otherwise, things look good.

Terry did a few roofs for his friends, and never publicized the parts he did beyond the group. I am fortunate to have acquired one of these "Wegmannized" NP reefer kits. It has the machined CV roof, and the die-cut end fascia board pairs. This kit does not have the Accurail fishbelly underframe. The RC car is NP 90513, with a stencil date of 2-42. RC kit #RC-4435-09.

If any one reading this post would like to purchase this kit for $29, 1st class shipping included, contact me off-list.
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson, Ojai CA


Hurricane and Mike Brock

Aley, Jeff A
 

Mike Brock, our esteemed listowner, was planning to evacuate early to a hotel in Orlando.  He did not expect significant damage at his home, but said that being without power (Air Conditioning!) for long periods of time is no fun.  I have not heard from him lately; I don’t expect to hear from him until after power & clean-water service is restored in his area.

 

One hopes that he took a tool box and some steam-era freight car kits to work on during his exile.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Deputy Moderator, STMFC

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pivoted Machinery

 

 

Dennis wrote :
>

> I know it's nice to have the last word, but this is ridiculous.

> I thought my message killed the forum :-)

 

The group has been awfully quiet since our Florida members got taken off line by the hurricane. Bill Welch in Clearwater has resurfaced, but the east coast contingent hasn't. Any word from or about Mike Brock? A Merritt Island resident posted to another list yesterday that they were still without power, water, land line phones and internet. The Cocoa Beach Hilton's web site says they're closed until further notice due to a mandatory evacuation order. Nasty.....

 

Tom Madden


Re: Pivoted Machinery

Tom Madden
 

Dennis wrote :
>
> I know it's nice to have the last word, but this is ridiculous.
> I thought my message killed the forum :-)

The group has been awfully quiet since our Florida members got taken off line by the hurricane. Bill Welch in Clearwater has resurfaced, but the east coast contingent hasn't. Any word from or about Mike Brock? A Merritt Island resident posted to another list yesterday that they were still without power, water, land line phones and internet. The Cocoa Beach Hilton's web site says they're closed until further notice due to a mandatory evacuation order. Nasty.....

Tom Madden


Re: Pivoted Machinery

destorzek@...
 

I know it's nice to have the last word, but this is ridiculous. I thought my message killed the forum :-)

Dennis Storzek


Re: Pivoted Machinery

John Barry
 

Clear and Legible!
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pivoted Machinery

 
Test
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Re: Pivoted Machinery

destorzek@...
 

Test
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Re: Pivoted Machinery

destorzek@...
 

Precisely. When loading things like power shovels (steam or otherwise) not only does the machine need to be secured to the car, but also the cab and boom secured to the car so it can't swing outside the clearance diagram.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Pivoted Machinery

mark_landgraf
 

A pivoted machinery is usually considered to a rail mounted crane, or a pile driver, etc. The operating rules almost always call for the booms to be secured in the trailing position, so as to avoid creating a catapult situation while going down the track. 

Theoretically this could also apply to ‎equipment loaded on rr cars.  Think stuff like tracked excavators, either revenue or M of W. 

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY

From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Reply To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Pivoted Machinery

 

Pivoted Machinery

 

This looks like a placard:

 

http://prr.railfan.net/images/PivotedMachineryLadingCard_CT310.gif

 

But what best describes "pivoted machinery"?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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Re: Pivoted Machinery

Michael Mang
 

"Derricks, steam shovels, and other pivoted machinery..." from the "Report of the Proceedings of the Executive Committee of the Master Car Builders Association, June 14, 1917". 

How do you keep those moving things from not moving during shipping, I suppose.

Michael Mang

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:18 PM thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Pivoted Machinery

 

This looks like a placard:

 

http://prr.railfan.net/images/PivotedMachineryLadingCard_CT310.gif

 

But what best describes "pivoted machinery"?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Pivoted Machinery

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Pivoted Machinery

 

This looks like a placard:

 

http://prr.railfan.net/images/PivotedMachineryLadingCard_CT310.gif

 

But what best describes "pivoted machinery"?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Placard Boards, Route Card Boards & ?

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

Time began for me on October 31, 1953. For all I know everything prior to that date is #fakenews.

:-) >:-}


      This list must be a great trial for you .

Tony Thompson




Re: Placard Boards, Route Card Boards & ?

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

Time began for me on October 31, 1953. For all I know everything prior to that date is #fakenews.

:-) >:-}


Huh. Wadda ya know? Sounds like I wasn't so confused after all. :-)

Yep, as long as you stick to 1954 and later. Innumerable prototype photos in the late 1940s will amply illustrate your confusion for those years

Tony Thompson

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