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Several nice views

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List members,

Nice view of GB&W 6202

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997005459/PP/

Nice view of several boxcars, including IC and GN. The GN (trussrod) car seems to have a entirely discernable sag. Were we not discussing this topic on this list recently?

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004759/PP/

Fruits and vegetables at terminal. Pittsburgh, PA. Note the early PRR container flat (class FM) and what appears to be a PRR class X29 boxcar next to it - not what you expect to see at the fruits and vegetables at terminal!

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000043567/PP/


Good view of tank car loading platform

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001014159/PP/


ACL 91562 gondola

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004662/PP/

Stock cars Radford, Virginia - cannot discern road name

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000042712/PP/


Iron ore at Great Northern Railroad yards. Superior, Wisconsin

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044530/PP/


COSX 1021 tank car

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012632/PP/


Loading seventy ton cars with iron ore. Mahoning pit, Hibbing, Minnesota

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044650/PP/

Clinchfield hopper and CP box sulphur loading

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001028410/PP/

COSX 3565 and friends

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d09232/


Claus Schlund


Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

I'm cleaning out some stuff I no longer need.

Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler

I cut this out of the magazine for reference, but it is time for someone else to enjoy it.

It is free, I will put it in an envelope and mail it to you for the asking.

Email me OFF LIST at

CLAUS
then the usual email separator
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Thanks

Claus Schlund


Ore puncher scraping ore stuck to sides of car in filling bin at ore docks

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Some might be interested in this rarely photographed activity...

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044517/PP/

Claus Schlund


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Walter
 

The car I was referring to is a MILWAUKEE reefer.

Lenny Ohrnell


Confirmation of 3 Orders of 50-ton AAR Emergency Flat Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
For a 1/4”-scale (proto-48) model project currently underway, request your help to confirm 3 series of 53’-6”, 50-ton, AAR flat cars as being built with wood stringers (emergency design) vs. the standard design using 4” steel Z stringers.

1. C&O 80625-80724, Ralston Steel Car Co., ordered 8-43, built 5-44.
2. D&RGW 22000-22199, Mount Vernon Car Mfg. Co., ordered 4-43, built 12-43 to 2-44.
3. EJ&E 6375-6574, Ralston Steel Car Co., ordered 12-41, built ca. 1943 (am yet to locate a photo with a readable build date).

Based on the order and build dates it’s likely these cars received wood stringers, however, searches for drawings & other technical data including the C&O H.S. have come up empty. Railroad diagrams for C&O and D&RGW do not specify, and I’ve not located a diagram for the EJ&E cars. Data from Railway Age annual order lists can be used as a general guide, and I have verified that the “composite” design sometimes designated in these lists has been proven to be less than 100% reliable since timing of when the cars were ordered & built was an important factor.

Byron Rose, who 20 years ago produced urethane HO models of emergency 50-ton AAR flat cars (Pittsburgh Scale Models) could not confirm, but he also believes they were likely built to the emergency design.

Request confirmation documented with original-source information of these cars such as a builder drawing or equivalent railroad drawings or bill of materials. Thank you.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ah, so I am NOT the only one that thought that!!

 

Schuyler

 

 

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode.  

 

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Chatfield wrote:
"Are we sure that's Omaha?  The nameboard on the station to the does not appear to say OMAHA or even OMAHA NEB.

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode."

FWIW, image data from the LoC website states Omaha.  
https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1998026642/PP/


Ben Hom





Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Are we sure that's Omaha?  The nameboard on the station to the does not appear to say OMAHA or even OMAHA NEB.

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode.  


Scott Chatfield


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Robert Heninger
 

Tim,

Different prototypes. Note the double sheathed end, and the truss rod. The Sunshine and Rapido cars are later prototypes without the truss rods, and the later cars have either Murphy or Dreadnaught ends.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

tyesac@...
 

Those roofs resemble Mather Stock car construction.

Tom Casey

No one has pointed out that the first foreground car, and then the two
after the Rock Island car, have no lateral running boards. How common was
that on box cars, at this date? Or could they be stock cars? Either way,
weren't laterals required by 1938?



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

 

No one has pointed out that the first foreground car, and then the two
after the Rock Island car, have no lateral running boards. How common was
that on box cars, at this date? Or could they be stock cars? Either way,
weren't laterals required by 1938?

  http://www.shorpy.com/node/22502

Tim O'


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Dennis Storzek
 

You guys that see corrugations on every roof ought to remember that the main spotting feature of a Viking roof is the big, Big, BIG seam caps, taller but somewhat narrower than Hutchins. Like Hutchins, they have a prominent bolt in a foot or so from the end; unlike Hutchins the bolts have a bent metal clamp under them. See pix:
The clamps are a bit hard to see on the car that is the subject of this pic, but show well in the foreground on the roof the photographer is standing on. Without these features, it's not a Viking roof.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Dennis Storzek
 

The key consideration was a man was not supposed to have to walk on a steel roof; they can be incredibly slippery when wet of snow covered. If the roof had wood sheathing, however, it wasn't any different than wood latitudinal walks, so the railroads omitted same. Many stockcars still had double board roofs, since stock is not considered damaged if the roof drips on them. There were also still a certain amount of inside metal roofs in service, many on reefers, but emos on boxcars. If you see the corner grab irons mounted directly to the roof sheathing, it has to be one of these two types.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Bill Welch
 

No Bob, the car coupled to the RI boxcar w/o a Latitudinal.

Bill Welch


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Tim O'Connor
 


No one has pointed out that the first foreground car, and then the two
after the Rock Island car, have no lateral running boards. How common was
that on box cars, at this date? Or could they be stock cars? Either way,
weren't laterals required by 1938?

  http://www.shorpy.com/node/22502

Tim O'


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Tim O'Connor
 


Really, Yarmouth? I thought that was a Sunshine kit, and soon to be
the Rapido plastic model.

Tim O'


Bill,

You mean the car with the brakeman riding the side ladder, coupled to RI 79609? My interpretation of that is that the car has a very weathered double board roof, with most of the paint worn off the flat surfaces of the roof sheathing boards and running boards. I think the remaining paint in the grooves of the boards is causing an optical illusion of corrugations.

The NP car to the right is offered as a kit from Yarmouth Model Works.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/SHORPY-8b14203a.jpg


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Benjamin Hom
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
"Track in center being worked - Viking roof? no brake, most likely A end of car, RI79609 vertical shaft and wheel, far end, next car vertical shaft and wheel, near end, next car vertical shaft and wheel, far end (shaft between the W and A of WABASH), WABASH car, no brake visible, next car (N&W?) vertical shaft and wheel, near end, next car vertical shaft and wheel, near end, then too grainy to see.


Not a Viking roof. Snow softens the details, but you can clearly make out individual boards and fasteners along the outer edges of the roof. The clincher is there are no latitudinals and the corner handholds are mounted directly to the roof.


Ben Hom


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Bruce Smith
 

Peter,

I’m not sure I’d say “many”.  As others have noted, the image does not lend itself well to seeing the brake wheels, but I see hand brakes on most cars.  It is important to note that the lack of a vertical shaft hand brake and wheel did not mean the car was equipped with “power hand brakes”.  While some cars (especially in 1938 when the photo was taken) would have had horizontal shaft power hand brakes, others might have had lever style hand brakes or even horizontal shaft direct take-up (not power) hand brakes.

For this photo, what I see, starting on the left, is:
Milwaukee stock car - vertical shaft and wheel, far end

Track in center being worked - Viking roof? no brake, most likely A end of car, RI79609 vertical shaft and wheel, far end, next car  vertical shaft and wheel, near end, next car  vertical shaft and wheel, far end (shaft between the W and A of WABASH), WABASH car, no brake visible, next car (N&W?) vertical shaft and wheel, near end, next car  vertical shaft and wheel, near end, then too grainy to see.

2 tracks to the right - reefer  vertical shaft and wheel, near end, Double door steel car, no visible brake (most likely power hand brake, far end), car by water column, no visible brake? maybe too grainy to see.

Far right - NP double sheathed car,  vertical shaft and wheel, near end.

So, as far as I can see, the brake wheel is not visible on 3 (maybe 4 if you count the car with only one end showing at the bottom of the photo) and two of those cars are newer steel cars, likely to have horizontal shaft brakes and the third is an older car whose brake wheel should be on the far end and may not be visible simply due to photo quality, but could also be a lever style brake.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith            
Auburn, AL
"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



http://www.shorpy.com/node/22502

On September 14, 2017 at 8:00 PM "Peter Burr pburr47@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

In today's Shorpy pic of a Nebraska rail yard in 1938, I notice many of the box cars pictured have no visible brake wheel. What's with that???
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Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Robert Heninger
 

Bill,

You mean the car with the brakeman riding the side ladder, coupled to RI 79609? My interpretation of that is that the car has a very weathered double board roof, with most of the paint worn off the flat surfaces of the roof sheathing boards and running boards. I think the remaining paint in the grooves of the boards is causing an optical illusion of corrugations.

The NP car to the right is offered as a kit from Yarmouth Model Works.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Minot, ND


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Bill Welch
 

Meanwhile no one has mentioned the Viking roof in the foreground.

Bill Welch


Re: SFRD 17558 Rr-25

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler the original post is on the Yahoo web site. It's actually very easy
to find.

Jack, and others, when you are making a comment on a linked image, PLEASE include the link to the photos you’re talking about., It’s not easy to go back and find the original email, and it’s not hard to do.



Schuyler

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