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Re: DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 9/16/2017 8:43 AM, Brian Ehni bpehni@... [STMFC] wrote:

1942. WW2 & sabotage were high in everybody's mind. 

    RPO postal workers* were armed way past WWII, see pictures of RPOs in that era.  Most photos I've seen (limited) of that era for guards etc. show side arms (probably 38s) so the shot gun is a little unusual.   We would want to get this right for our STMFC  yards:-)!

* my dad worked in the PO all his life and in the late 40s many/most/all POs had weapons in them.  Dad showed me the 44 he had behind the PO clerk window.

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Jon Miller
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Re: Several nice views

Dennis Storzek
 




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(Maybe they contain coal as their load is darker than the load of the ore cars.) 
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That would be my guess... coal loaded at the twin ports destined for use up on the iron range. Not enough of the cars show to say exactly what kind of hoppers  they are, but I don't think they are abnormally tall. I think the next two cars in that same string, nearest us, are GS gons.

Dennis Storzek


Re: DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

 

1942. WW2 & sabotage were high in everybody's mind. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Sep 16, 2017, at 6:47 AM, j.markwart@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hello friends,
 
was the gun part of the official employee equipment? For what reason?
 
Thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
 
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Hi List Members,

Nice shot of tank car placard board, you can even read the placard - DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012082/PP/

Claus Schlund
 


Re: Several nice views

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Ben,
 
many thanks for your quick replies. Very plausible with the gun and security background during war time.
 
But with the GN question you misunderstood me (or I was not precisely enough - I apologize for this possibility as English isn't my first language). I am speaking of the SECOND line of cars - viewed from the front - in front of them are short ore cars. Directly behind them are two "normal-height" hoppers with 7 vertical side posts - likely an "ordinary" 70ton triple or quad type which were very common. But on the same track coupled to these two cars are 6 hoppers (?) - though also with 7 vertical posts they are higher. They are much larger than the ore cars. (Maybe they contain coal as their load is darker than the load of the ore cars.) I wonder which type of cars they are.
 
Many thanks and best regards
 
Johannes
 
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Johannes Markwart asked:
"At the GN iron ore scenery:
 
https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8c20263/
 
-what type of cars do we see in the second line of cars at right? A group of 6 higher than normal hoppers - seemingly. If the recording date is after the steam era that may be some 100 ton hoppers, but the quality of the photo looks to be "steam-era-like", so I am wondering."

These are Pressed Steel Car Company ore cars built between 1899 and 1901.  These are 50-ton cars, but have a smaller cubic capacity than a coal hopper as iron ore is more dense.  Westerfield makes kits for these cars in HO scale.
 
 
Ben Hom

 


Re: Several nice views

Benjamin Hom
 

Johannes Markwart asked:
"At the GN iron ore scenery:
 
https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8c20263/
 
-what type of cars do we see in the second line of cars at right? A group of 6 higher than normal hoppers - seemingly. If the recording date is after the steam era that may be some 100 ton hoppers, but the quality of the photo looks to be "steam-era-like", so I am wondering."

These are Pressed Steel Car Company ore cars built between 1899 and 1901.  These are 50-ton cars, but have a smaller cubic capacity than a coal hopper as iron ore is more dense.  Westerfield makes kits for these cars in HO scale.


Ben Hom


Re: DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

Benjamin Hom
 

Johannes Markwart asked:
"Was the gun part of the official employee equipment? For what reason?"

Johannes - remember what constitutes a large part of this collection: photos taken for the Office of War Information during World War II.  This individual isn't part of the train crew, but is likely a railroad policeman or security guard, and at this point in the war, the threat of sabotage was taken very seriously.


Ben Hom  


Re: DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello friends,
 
was the gun part of the official employee equipment? For what reason?
 
Thanks and greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 16. September 2017 um 02:29 Uhr
Von: "'Claus Schlund' claus@... [STMFC]"
An: STMFC
Betreff: [STMFC] DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL
 

Hi List Members,

Nice shot of tank car placard board, you can even read the placard - DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012082/PP/

Claus Schlund
 


Re: Several nice views

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Claus,
 
thanks for the links. At the GN iron ore scenery:
 
https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8c20263/
 
-what type of cars do we see in the second line of cars at right? A group of 6 higher than normal hoppers - seemingly. If the recording date is after the steam era that may be some 100ton hoppers, but the quality of the photo looks to be "steam-era-like", so I am wondering.
 
Thanks again
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Samstag, 16. September 2017 um 02:00 Uhr
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Hi List members,

Nice view of GB&W 6202

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997005459/PP/

Nice view of several boxcars, including IC and GN. The GN (trussrod) car seems to have a entirely discernable sag. Were we not
discussing this topic on this list recently?

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004759/PP/

Fruits and vegetables at terminal. Pittsburgh, PA. Note the early PRR container flat (class FM) and what appears to be a PRR class
X29 boxcar next to it - not what you expect to see at the fruits and vegetables at terminal!

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000043567/PP/

Good view of tank car loading platform

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001014159/PP/

ACL 91562 gondola

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004662/PP/

Stock cars Radford, Virginia - cannot discern road name

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000042712/PP/

Iron ore at Great Northern Railroad yards. Superior, Wisconsin

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044530/PP/

COSX 1021 tank car

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012632/PP/

Loading seventy ton cars with iron ore. Mahoning pit, Hibbing, Minnesota

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044650/PP/

Clinchfield hopper and CP box sulphur loading

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001028410/PP/

COSX 3565 and friends

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d09232/

Claus Schlund
 


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Douglas Harding
 

Scott the location is South Omaha, the meat packing district. The depot on the right is the South Omaha depot. The stockpens to the left are the Omaha Stock Yards. The elevator in the distant left appears to be the Nixon Feed elevator. This area was filled with complex trackwork, witness the double slips, crossovers, etc. The switchers are most likely South Omaha Terminal Railway Co. locos.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938    

 

 

Are we sure that's Omaha?  The nameboard on the station to the does not appear to say OMAHA or even OMAHA NEB.

 

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode.  

 

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Correction, FIVE page article, includes photos and drawing.

Claus Schlund

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Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 4:54 PM
Subject: Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler


Hi List Members,
I'm cleaning out some stuff I no longer need.
Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler
I cut this out of the magazine for reference, but it is time for someone else to enjoy it.
It is free, I will put it in an envelope and mail it to you for the asking.
Email me OFF LIST at
CLAUS
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Thanks
Claus Schlund


DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Nice shot of tank car placard board, you can even read the placard - DANGEROUS CRUDE OIL

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012082/PP/

Claus Schlund


Crew member neede for the Alma branch on October 8th

Jared Harper
 

I need one more crew member for the October 8th op session on Santa Fe's Alma branch.  The session will begin at noon with lunch.  After beans the crew will head to the basment to run trains 95/96.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821


Several nice views

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List members,

Nice view of GB&W 6202

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997005459/PP/

Nice view of several boxcars, including IC and GN. The GN (trussrod) car seems to have a entirely discernable sag. Were we not discussing this topic on this list recently?

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004759/PP/

Fruits and vegetables at terminal. Pittsburgh, PA. Note the early PRR container flat (class FM) and what appears to be a PRR class X29 boxcar next to it - not what you expect to see at the fruits and vegetables at terminal!

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000043567/PP/


Good view of tank car loading platform

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001014159/PP/


ACL 91562 gondola

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1997004662/PP/

Stock cars Radford, Virginia - cannot discern road name

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000042712/PP/


Iron ore at Great Northern Railroad yards. Superior, Wisconsin

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044530/PP/


COSX 1021 tank car

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001012632/PP/


Loading seventy ton cars with iron ore. Mahoning pit, Hibbing, Minnesota

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044650/PP/

Clinchfield hopper and CP box sulphur loading

https://www.loc.gov/item/owi2001028410/PP/

COSX 3565 and friends

https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d09232/


Claus Schlund


Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

I'm cleaning out some stuff I no longer need.

Three-page article DMIR BOX CAR The Double Sheathed Cars from Mainline Modeler

I cut this out of the magazine for reference, but it is time for someone else to enjoy it.

It is free, I will put it in an envelope and mail it to you for the asking.

Email me OFF LIST at

CLAUS
then the usual email separator
HELLGATEMODELS
period
COM

Thanks

Claus Schlund


Ore puncher scraping ore stuck to sides of car in filling bin at ore docks

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Some might be interested in this rarely photographed activity...

https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa2000044517/PP/

Claus Schlund


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Walter
 

The car I was referring to is a MILWAUKEE reefer.

Lenny Ohrnell


Confirmation of 3 Orders of 50-ton AAR Emergency Flat Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
For a 1/4”-scale (proto-48) model project currently underway, request your help to confirm 3 series of 53’-6”, 50-ton, AAR flat cars as being built with wood stringers (emergency design) vs. the standard design using 4” steel Z stringers.

1. C&O 80625-80724, Ralston Steel Car Co., ordered 8-43, built 5-44.
2. D&RGW 22000-22199, Mount Vernon Car Mfg. Co., ordered 4-43, built 12-43 to 2-44.
3. EJ&E 6375-6574, Ralston Steel Car Co., ordered 12-41, built ca. 1943 (am yet to locate a photo with a readable build date).

Based on the order and build dates it’s likely these cars received wood stringers, however, searches for drawings & other technical data including the C&O H.S. have come up empty. Railroad diagrams for C&O and D&RGW do not specify, and I’ve not located a diagram for the EJ&E cars. Data from Railway Age annual order lists can be used as a general guide, and I have verified that the “composite” design sometimes designated in these lists has been proven to be less than 100% reliable since timing of when the cars were ordered & built was an important factor.

Byron Rose, who 20 years ago produced urethane HO models of emergency 50-ton AAR flat cars (Pittsburgh Scale Models) could not confirm, but he also believes they were likely built to the emergency design.

Request confirmation documented with original-source information of these cars such as a builder drawing or equivalent railroad drawings or bill of materials. Thank you.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ah, so I am NOT the only one that thought that!!

 

Schuyler

 

 

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode.  

 

 

Scott Chatfield


Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Chatfield wrote:
"Are we sure that's Omaha?  The nameboard on the station to the does not appear to say OMAHA or even OMAHA NEB.

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode."

FWIW, image data from the LoC website states Omaha.  
https://www.loc.gov/item/fsa1998026642/PP/


Ben Hom





Re: Shorpy pic Omaha railyard 1938

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Are we sure that's Omaha?  The nameboard on the station to the does not appear to say OMAHA or even OMAHA NEB.

Which railroad's switchers are those?  I love the one to the far left almost completely shrouded in steam.  Looks like something out of a Thomas the Tank Engine episode.  


Scott Chatfield

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