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Re: PFE R-40-10 reefer ice hatch detail

Dennis Storzek
 

If I recall correctly, the hatch plugs consist of a wooden form covered with canvas. A roll of canvas tacked to eack edge makes the edges soft and compliant and seals them to the hatch combing. This is similar to the way swinging reefer doors are sealed. The center of the hatch plug is pretty solid.

Dennis Storzek


Re: PFE R-40-10 reefer ice hatch detail

pennsylvania1954
 

I find it interesting that the worker is standing on the ice hatch plug to get the angle he needs. Obviously, the material is much denser and more durable than I thought.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: [EXTERNAL] MILW 67053 200-ton 4-truck flat car

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jon;

I wish I had my old Red Balls. One of them was a kit based on an old P&LE prototype. Never did the research, but it was one cool car.

Elden Gatwood

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On 9/26/2017 6:43 AM, 'Gatwood, Elden J CIV CESAW CESAD (US)' elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil <mailto:elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> [STMFC] wrote:


Speaking of riveted flats

Seems this is similar to a flat Red Ball made. Don't remember if the rivets were close or not. Might have been a good stand in.


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Re: Open Hopper Turned Covered Hopper?

James McDonald
 

Hello all,

Now that the provenance of the RF&P covered hoppers is the discussion rather than their post-list disposition, I can be more forthcoming.

The RF&P’s first open hoppers were purchased second-hand in 1916. Previously it had employed gondolas, some with hopper bottoms, for its aggregate loads. The hoppers were in the series RF&P 3401-3505, 105 cars in number, with a 1667 cuft capacity. These cars were originally built in 1905 by Standard Steel Car Co. for the Quemahoning Coal Company. Their interior length was 30’ 3”. The distance between truck kingpins was 21’ 9”. Later editions of RF&P documents refer to them having 1700 cuft capacity, but without any change in car dimensions. The ORER cites them as having 30’ 0” interior length.

The next arrivals were the 50 cars RF&P 3506-3555. RF&P data indicates that the cars were rebodied in 1922 by Pressed Steel Car Co. Some data, such as the photo to which Eric posted a link, indicate that the rebodying work may have begun in 1921 so perhaps it merely finished in 1922. These cars were reportedly also placed on cast trucks taken from the RF&P 3200 series gondolas, which were being removed from the roster. The interior length of the 3506 series was 30’ 6”. The kingpins were 21’ 11” apart. They are listed in the ORER and at least one RF&P document as 1880 cubic feet (consistent with USRA hoppers), but actual cars appear to be stenciled 1900 cuft.

In 1923 the RF&P apparently had a further 35 cars, RF&P 3556-3590, rebodied by Richmond Car Works. They, too, were put on cast trucks from the 3200 series gondolas. Their interior length was 29’ 11.25”. The kingpin distance was 21’ 9”. The ORER lists them as 1880 cuft, but RFP 3572, at least, was stenciled 1773 cuft.

Based on the lower cubic footage of RFP 7006, and the fact that 7001-7004 all came from the 357x range, I suspect it came from the 3556-3590 series.

Photos of RF&P two bay hoppers in the above series are very rare, so it’s hard to generalize, but I suspect the ladder was added to 7006 during its rebuild to a covered hopper. I’ve not encountered a photo of another RF&P 2-bay hopper in the likely donor pool with ladders instead of grabs.

The note that the RFP 3506 and RFP 3556 series were both rebuilt, not built, in 1922-23 points to the possibility that these cars used frames from older hoppers but I’ve been unable to uncover any information in company records to support this. If anyone has further insight here, I would appreciate hearing from you.

Note that in the 1930 ORER, the RFP 3506 and RFP 3556 series appear under a single listing, which uses the measurements of the longer RFP 3506 series cars. They are split out into separate listings in subsequent editions. The measurements given in the ORER are often not consistent with data stenciled on the cars nor in documentation from the railroad’s mechanical department. This was common with RF&P hoppers for some reason.

All the best,

James

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James McDonald
Greenbelt, MD

On Sep 26, 2017, at 2:55 PM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Messages in this topic (6)
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1c. Re: Open Hopper Turned Covered Hopper?
Posted by: "Eric Hansmann" eric@hansmanns.org wvrail
Date: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:43 am ((PDT))

The RF&P October 1926 ORER listing includes two hopper series.



3401-3505 :: 100 cars with 1667 cubic capacity, 30-foot interior length, and
10-foot height to eave

3506-3590 :: 80 cars with 1880 cubic capacity, 30-foot, 6-inch interior
length, and 10-foot, 10-inch height to eave



I suspect RF&P sand car 7006 from the photo on eBay was converted from a
hopper in the 3401-3505 series. Note the angle of the center slope sheets is
similar to that used on earlier hopper designs. Here's the link to RF&P 7006
again.




<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Richmond-Fredericksburg-Potomac-RF-P-7006-converted
-covered-hopper-8x10-photo/372085206789?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.
MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D47507%26meid%3D5c25fea7069d4044ac18d9e72e9dc5fe%26pid%3
D100623%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122722159904&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Richmond-Fredericksburg-Potomac-RF-P-7006-converted-
covered-hopper-8x10-photo/372085206789?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.M
BE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D47507%26meid%3D5c25fea7069d4044ac18d9e72e9dc5fe%26pid%3D
100623%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122722159904&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: PFE R-40-10 reefer ice hatch detail

Dick Harley
 

Tim O'Connor asks:
"something I've [n]ever noticed before! what is the twisted "grab" directly
over the ice hatch latch and next to the corner grab? Was this found on very
many PFE reefers?"

Well, yes, about 4700 of them - all in class R-40-10.

Look at the hatch latch bar, and how it lies on the roof.  That "twisted grab" forces the latch bar to lie in that position toward the running board, instead of falling toward the outside edge of the roof.
Only used on the Holland hatch covers on the R-40-10, as far as I know.


Hope that helps,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA



PFE R-40-10 reefer ice hatch detail

Tim O'Connor
 

something I've mever noticed before! what is the twisted "grab" directly
over the ice hatch latch and next to the corner grab? Was this found on very
many PFE reefers?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/372085295418

Tim O'Connor


Side reporting marks

Jerry Michels
 

Were reporting marks always required on the sides of freight cars, or was there a starting date specified by law?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels


Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Dick Harley
 

Considering that the UP class B-50-17 boxcars were rebuilt cars made in 1935-36 during the Depression, and Arnold is modeling the 1950s, when who knows what has been done with the trucks during the past 20 years or so, the type of truck he uses is not too critical.

Yes, the UP diagram calls out a spring plank and Barber Rollers, as is done with Brian Leppert's truck #109/209, and those are beautiful trucks. But, there are photos from the 1950s that show plankless trucks on B-50-17s, as well as mis-matched truck pairs on the same car, as well as mis-matched journal box lids on the same truck, as well as snubber springs, etc.

So you don't need to be too anal about the trucks unless you are modeling a specific car in a specific photo. YMMV.


Cheers,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Glass loaded on freight car

Eric Hansmann
 

Jim,

There are several interior images of glass factory production line on the historic Pittsburgh site. Here's the main page. IOn the right hand column is a short list of Recently Added Collections. Click on the PPG Industries Records to see several images of glass factory production from across the years.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/


As Pittsburgh was a major glass producing region for much of the steam era, entering "glass" in the search box on the main page will net 23,000+ images to explore.

You're welcome.


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On September 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM "'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Those pictures of glass-making are very interesting to me.  Are there any pictures of the outside of the glass-making plant?
Jim Hunter

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:16 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Glass loaded on freight car
 
 

 

I was checking the Historic Pittsburgh site and found a new collection of images from PPG Industries. These links lead to a description page. Once the page loads, click on the image to view a large size.

 

Here’s a look inside of a box car with a load of plate glass, circa 1945.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0009

 

 

 

A detailed diagram shows the glass making process, circa 1930. Note the raw materials are shoveled from a box car and the finished product is loaded into box cars or gondolas.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0030

 

 

 

This gem shows a mid-1920s view of a PPG warehouse in Newark, NJ, with a string of classic freight cars. The loco sports Erie lettering.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0002

 

 

 

These are just a few of the many rail and industrial images in the Historic Pittsburgh site.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 




Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


An excellent idea Dennis! If I only had the 3D drafting skills and software.
But I'll keep an eye on Shapeways to see if someone else decides to do it.

Tim O'


Ah, journal box doors! One of those separate detail parts we'll never get.
The problem is that they were sold SEPARATELY and railroads could order them
from any number of manufacturers. Therefore even though Brian's #109/#209 are
the correct style of truck for the B-50-17, the doors may not be an exact match.
I'm so used to having trucks with the wrong doors that I hardly pay attention to
it any more. It's just one of those things.

Tim O'Connor


======================

3D print them, Tim. Excellent use for the medium, as soon as the surface finish gets to where it needs to be. Biggest problem with most HO scale freightcar hardware, aside from the cost of tooling, is it needs to thinner than is practical to mold. Just looked in the 1922 CBC, no dimensions on thickness, but even the pressed steel lids with rolled edges only appear to be 3/8" thick. That's about .004", and would look more like flash than a molded part. Should be doable in 3D printing, although whether you can keep the parts from blowing away is another issue.

Dennis Storzek


Stencil: "Including Ice"

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This refrigerator car has the words "Including Ice" stenciled after the number for capacity:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Northern-Pacific-NP-91224-R-40-23-clone-steel-reefer-refrigerator-car-8x10-photo-/372085239355?hash=item56a2022e3b:g:0YMAAOSwpC1ZxwHA

 

I've seen many refrigerator car photos over the years and can only recall just four others, all Northern Pacific reefers, with this stenciling. On the other hand, I've seen many other NP ice bunker reefers without this stencil.

 

Was this stencil wording used by other railroads and refrigerator car companies or was it just a Northern Pacific practice that appears to be not universal to that railroad?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Bryian
Wow! You (and Bill Welch) may be the vanguard of EXTRPM

  Extreme Railroad Prototype Modeling ! :-)




Makes sense Tim. If I know I have the correct truck I usually find a another truck with a similar journal door and shave them off and add them on to the trucks I'm going to use.


Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta CA


 

Ah, journal box doors! One of those separate detail parts we'll never get.
The problem is that they were sold SEPARATELY and railroads could order them
from any number of manufacturers. Therefore even though Brian's #109/#209 are
the correct style of truck for the B-50-17, the doors may not be an exact match.
I'm so used to having trucks with the wrong doors that I hardly pay attention to
it any more. It's just one of those things.

Tim O'Connor



Brian you may be right. I agree there are some strong similarities with the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck. There are two photos on the Sunshine data sheets for the U.P B-50-17 Rebuilt. The first one being U.P. 181669, Columbus NE, Jan 1967, Frank Peacock and the second being U.P. No. 180800 Grand Island NE Aug 1966 Frank Peacock. I looked at the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck first. My conscern with it in relation to the photo is the journal doors appear to me to be slightly different. More like the s-1. Also the side frame openings in the prototype photo don't appear to be formed inward near the spring housing. The frame opening resembles the s-1 in that case too. However my interoperation of the opening could be due to the angle of the shot. Photo 2  side frames do seem to match the  (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck but I still think the journal doors are different. Ted Culotta did the masters for the sunshine car.  He is pretty good with responding if you have questions. Arnold I would shoot him an email too. Though I think what Brian is indicating is correct there just seems to be some slight diiffernces in Tahoe truck and the photo.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta CA

 
The Union Pacific B-50-17 rebuilt boxcars rode on trucks with cast steel side frames with Barber Lateral Motion Devises.  Photos of these boxcars in Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars article #13, June 2004 RMC show a variety of side frame shapes.  One of these is accurately modeled by Tahoe Model Works' TMW-109/209 Barber Lateral Motion 50-Ton Truck.

These can be seen at  resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm

These are also accurate trucks for Owl Mountain Models' new SP F-50-10 and F-50-12 flat cars, OMM #2003 and #2005.

I have seen no photos of UP B-50-17 cars on Barber S-1-L trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :


Ah, journal box doors! One of those separate detail parts we'll never get.
The problem is that they were sold SEPARATELY and railroads could order them
from any number of manufacturers. Therefore even though Brian's #109/#209 are
the correct style of truck for the B-50-17, the doors may not be an exact match.
I'm so used to having trucks with the wrong doors that I hardly pay attention to
it any more. It's just one of those things.

Tim O'Connor
======================

3D print them, Tim. Excellent use for the medium, as soon as the surface finish gets to where it needs to be. Biggest problem with most HO scale freightcar hardware, aside from the cost of tooling, is it needs to thinner than is practical to mold. Just looked in the 1922 CBC, no dimensions on thickness, but even the pressed steel lids with rolled edges only appear to be 3/8" thick. That's about .004", and would look more like flash than a molded part. Should be doable in 3D printing, although whether you can keep the parts from blowing away is another issue.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Registering

skibbs4
 

More tickets have been added, for the Early Bird rate that ends today at 11:50 PM... in case anyone else is on the fence or had an issue earlier today.  Registration turned so brisk that we "ran out" of tickets in the system!

And as a heads up, the draft schedule has been posted: 


Yes, RPM Chicagoland concentrates on the clinics as a "conference type" RPM meet.  And the outreach of available clinicians this year was so outstanding, that we're running 6 deep at many times during the weekend!  Check out the schedule which features many freight car and freight car modeling topics, along with prototype railroad operations, two ferry and boat related clinics, a couple "how to build a freight car fleet" big picture clinics, and then feature dinner presentations by Bob Gallegos, railfan extrodinaire and Walthers employee (multimedia presentation called "In Search of Obsolecence") and Friends of the Freight Car research discussion once again moderated by Steve Hile and this year featuring Kevin Keefe (Trains Magazine and representative of Center for Railroad Photography and Art).   

We're also continuing the popular TT&TO live training event from last year!  We set up a Unitrack version of Bill Navigato's Chicago Peoria & Southern so that trainees can polish their TT&TO skills on a tested, actual operating timetable from a successful model railroad, but in a learning atmosphere.  Harold Krewer will once again host a training session in the afternoon ahead of the operating session, and then after dinner the railroad comes alive with his crew.

Hope to see you there,
Mike Skibbe

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:26 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

That's mutual . . . not indecision; sloth, or
procrastination.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@...
[mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Registering

It looks like $20 is the price of indecision. I
hope you decide to pay up, because I'd like to
meet you.

Nelson Moyer

_____

From: STMFC@...
<STMFC@...> on behalf of 'Schuyler
Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 7:39 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Registering

Hi Mike

I've finally decided to come to the Chicagoland
meet, and tonight I'm disappointed to find the $99
registration is "sold out." But the $119
registration goes "on sale" tomorrow.

Any chance of my saving $20 at the $99 rate?
Please?

Schuyler





Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Bryian Sones
 

Makes sense Tim. If I know I have the correct truck I usually find a another truck with a similar journal door and shave them off and add them on to the trucks I'm going to use.


Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta CA 


On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 2:05 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 

Ah, journal box doors! One of those separate detail parts we'll never get.
The problem is that they were sold SEPARATELY and railroads could order them
from any number of manufacturers. Therefore even though Brian's #109/#209 are
the correct style of truck for the B-50-17, the doors may not be an exact match.
I'm so used to having trucks with the wrong doors that I hardly pay attention to
it any more. It's just one of those things.

Tim O'Connor



Brian you may be right. I agree there are some strong similarities with the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck. There are two photos on the Sunshine data sheets for the U.P B-50-17 Rebuilt. The first one being U.P. 181669, Columbus NE, Jan 1967, Frank Peacock and the second being U.P. No. 180800 Grand Island NE Aug 1966 Frank Peacock. I looked at the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck first. My conscern with it in relation to the photo is the journal doors appear to me to be slightly different. More like the s-1. Also the side frame openings in the prototype photo don't appear to be formed inward near the spring housing. The frame opening resembles the s-1 in that case too. However my interoperation of the opening could be due to the angle of the shot. Photo 2  side frames do seem to match the  (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck but I still think the journal doors are different. Ted Culotta did the masters for the sunshine car.  He is pretty good with responding if you have questions. Arnold I would shoot him an email too. Though I think what Brian is indicating is correct there just seems to be some slight diiffernces in Tahoe truck and the photo.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta CA

 
The Union Pacific B-50-17 rebuilt boxcars rode on trucks with cast steel side frames with Barber Lateral Motion Devises.  Photos of these boxcars in Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars article #13, June 2004 RMC show a variety of side frame shapes.  One of these is accurately modeled by Tahoe Model Works' TMW-109/209 Barber Lateral Motion 50-Ton Truck.

These can be seen at  resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm

These are also accurate trucks for Owl Mountain Models' new SP F-50-10 and F-50-12 flat cars, OMM #2003 and #2005.

I have seen no photos of UP B-50-17 cars on Barber S-1-L trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV



Re: Glass Placard

Frank Grimm <fddms@...>
 


Re: UP B-50-17 boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


Ah, journal box doors! One of those separate detail parts we'll never get.
The problem is that they were sold SEPARATELY and railroads could order them
from any number of manufacturers. Therefore even though Brian's #109/#209 are
the correct style of truck for the B-50-17, the doors may not be an exact match.
I'm so used to having trucks with the wrong doors that I hardly pay attention to
it any more. It's just one of those things.

Tim O'Connor



Brian you may be right. I agree there are some strong similarities with the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck. There are two photos on the Sunshine data sheets for the U.P B-50-17 Rebuilt. The first one being U.P. 181669, Columbus NE, Jan 1967, Frank Peacock and the second being U.P. No. 180800 Grand Island NE Aug 1966 Frank Peacock. I looked at the (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck first. My conscern with it in relation to the photo is the journal doors appear to me to be slightly different. More like the s-1. Also the side frame openings in the prototype photo don't appear to be formed inward near the spring housing. The frame opening resembles the s-1 in that case too. However my interoperation of the opening could be due to the angle of the shot. Photo 2  side frames do seem to match the  (Tahoe) Barber Lateral Motion Truck but I still think the journal doors are different. Ted Culotta did the masters for the sunshine car.  He is pretty good with responding if you have questions. Arnold I would shoot him an email too. Though I think what Brian is indicating is correct there just seems to be some slight diiffernces in Tahoe truck and the photo.

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta CA

 
The Union Pacific B-50-17 rebuilt boxcars rode on trucks with cast steel side frames with Barber Lateral Motion Devises.  Photos of these boxcars in Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars article #13, June 2004 RMC show a variety of side frame shapes.  One of these is accurately modeled by Tahoe Model Works' TMW-109/209 Barber Lateral Motion 50-Ton Truck.

These can be seen at  resincarworks.com/tahoe.htm

These are also accurate trucks for Owl Mountain Models' new SP F-50-10 and F-50-12 flat cars, OMM #2003 and #2005.

I have seen no photos of UP B-50-17 cars on Barber S-1-L trucks.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


Re: Glass loaded on freight car

naptownprr
 

Those pictures of glass-making are very interesting to me.  Are there any pictures of the outside of the glass-making plant?
Jim Hunter


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:16 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Glass loaded on freight car
 
 

I was checking the Historic Pittsburgh site and found a new collection of images from PPG Industries. These links lead to a description page. Once the page loads, click on the image to view a large size.

 

Here’s a look inside of a box car with a load of plate glass, circa 1945.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0009

 

 

 

A detailed diagram shows the glass making process, circa 1930. Note the raw materials are shoveled from a box car and the finished product is loaded into box cars or gondolas.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0030

 

 

 

This gem shows a mid-1920s view of a PPG warehouse in Newark, NJ, with a string of classic freight cars. The loco sports Erie lettering.

http://historicpittsburgh.org/islandora/object/pitt%3A20170227-hpichswp-0002

 

 

 

These are just a few of the many rail and industrial images in the Historic Pittsburgh site.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN


Re: Replacements for IM FGE details

Ken O'Brien
 

Bruce, thanks for the fast reply. I'll give IM a shout.

Ken O'Brien


Need assistance with ACF 19,000 gallon tank car brake stand.

Jason Kliewer
 

Hello group,


I'm trying to build a kit for an N scale ACF 19,000 tank car and I have the GA drawing, but the drawing I have shows a horizontal brake wheel and the model I want to produce has a vertical wheel.


The IRM has a Great Northern tank car that matches what I'm looking for and I"m wondering if anyone is friendly with or knows of a model railroad friendly member from the museum that could take some pictures of the brake wheel, the stand and how it attaches to the frame.


This is the car.


http://www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/1577-Tank-Car-Restoration-Progress-September-October-2013.html



Thank you in advanced for any assistance


Jason Kliewer

Colorado Springs, CO

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