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Re: Side reporting marks

Curt Fortenberry
 


Guy,

Thanks for that.  A google search found a MCB standard drawings book scanned here:


It contains the plate you mention, but only a few letters and numbers, not a complete alphabet.

Curt Fortenberry

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On Sep 27, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

"Also, I thought I read that about this time, MCB issued the granddaddy version of the stencil lettering typeface? I've never seen it, could be urban legend."

The Master Car Builders Association issued MCB 26B; "Standard Letters And Figures For Freight Car Markings" in 1911. The original was revised in 1913, '16 and '17. The plate included examples of 9", 7", 4", 3", 2" and 1" letters as well as numerals.

The intent (at the time) was to standardize figures in order to lessen expenses for cutting stencils to match existing markings used on interchanged cars for painting, repairs and service (brake and journal repacks) conditions.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
 


Re: NP LETTERING ??

 

I can send you at least one of each. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
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On Oct 2, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 


I can find no examples from 380 NP box car photos of an A or B on the side of the
car. On the ENDS of the cars I see consistently both A and B symbols (letter inside
a circle) on box cars from the 1920's through the 1960's, and many examples of L and
R on wood side cars, as well as on steel cars. The style of the A and B stencils are
the same in all cases.

Tim O'Connor



Correction. Just found some with "A" next to door, but these all seem to be older cars
with Andrews trucks. Brian Ehni




 As I was reviewing photos of Northern Pacific box cars in the 15000 to 17899 series of 1937 built box cars I find an "A" or "B" rather than the more common "L" or " R" next to the door on the left side when facing the side of the car.  I am wondering if other railroads used the "A" or "B" next to the door?   And, am I correct when I guess these letters mean the "A" or "B" end of the car?
 Lester Breuer


Box Car Crack Filler For Grain Transport

Michael Gross
 

Thought members would enjoy this interesting excerpt from the Fort Madison, Iowa Evening Democrat - December 18, 1919

USE OF PATENT CRACK FILLER FOR CARS SUCCESSFUL

The test of the Baco combination which was recently introduced on the railroads for use in freight cars to stop small grain leakage has been carried on for some time by the Santa Fe and is said by the local employees of the company to be a success in every way. In composition it contains a very large percentage of tar mixed with a small percentage of other and unknown ingredients

The method of procedure in the case of mending car floors and sides is to place a considerable quantity of “Baco” over a fire to reduce it from a lumpy stiff mass to a simmering ebony liquid in which state it is poured along the seams and tiny openings in the car floor to make the car grain proof.  The loss in grain leakage in freight cars is said to be considerable, several bushels dropping out of a loaded car while in transportation."

Michael Gross

Pasadena, CA



Re: NP LETTERING ??

Tim O'Connor
 


I can find no examples from 380 NP box car photos of an A or B on the side of the
car. On the ENDS of the cars I see consistently both A and B symbols (letter inside
a circle) on box cars from the 1920's through the 1960's, and many examples of L and
R on wood side cars, as well as on steel cars. The style of the A and B stencils are
the same in all cases.

Tim O'Connor



Correction. Just found some with "A" next to door, but these all seem to be older cars
with Andrews trucks. Brian Ehni




 As I was reviewing photos of Northern Pacific box cars in the 15000 to 17899 series of 1937 built box cars I find an "A" or "B" rather than the more common "L" or " R" next to the door on the left side when facing the side of the car.  I am wondering if other railroads used the "A" or "B" next to the door?   And, am I correct when I guess these letters mean the "A" or "B" end of the car?
 Lester Breuer


Re: Superior doors

Fred Jansz
 

Thanks Steve
Fred


Re: Superior doors

Steve Haas
 

Fred,

 

The SSW 10’ 0” seven panel door _does_ exist (I’ve got 7 pair I’ve acquired through Andy over time), but it is not on the web site.

 

Perhaps contacting SSW directly through the web site might yield some success.

 

Best regards,

 

Steve

 

Steve Haas

Snoqualmie, WA

 


Re: NP LETTERING ??

 

Correction. Just found some with “A” next to door, but these all seem to be older cars with Andrews trucks….





Thanks!
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As I was reviewing photos of Northern Pacific box cars in the 15000 to 17899 series of 1937 built box cars I find an "A" or "B" rather than the more common "L" or " R" next to the door on the left side when facing the side of the car. I am wondering if other railroads used the "A" or "B" next to the door? And, am I correct when I guess these letters mean the "A" or "B" end of the car?

Lester Breuer


Re: NP LETTERING ??

 

Just spot checked a few of my NP box car photos, and all of the ones I looked at had either “L” or “R” next to the door. End views all had a “B” or “A”, depending on which end it was.





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As I was reviewing photos of Northern Pacific box cars in the 15000 to 17899 series of 1937 built box cars I find an "A" or "B" rather than the more common "L" or " R" next to the door on the left side when facing the side of the car. I am wondering if other railroads used the "A" or "B" next to the door? And, am I correct when I guess these letters mean the "A" or "B" end of the car?

Lester Breuer









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NP LETTERING ??

frograbbit602
 

As I was reviewing photos of Northern Pacific box cars in the 15000 to 17899 series of 1937 built box cars I find an "A" or "B" rather than the more common "L" or " R" next to the door on the left side when facing the side of the car.  I am wondering if other railroads used the "A" or "B" next to the door?   And, am I correct when I guess these letters mean the "A" or "B" end of the car?

Lester Breuer




Re: Improving Atlas 1932 kits to model Erie & I-GN boxcars

Bill Welch
 


Re: Superior doors

Fred Jansz
 

Andy,
Northern Pacific 17000-17899, blt 5/1941, has cars with Superior doors.
NP 17672 - illustrated in the Yarmouth kit #107 manual- with 10'0" IH is a fine example.
Kit has Youngstown door, I prefer the rarer Superior one.
Could you please supply a link to the SSW 10' IH Superior door?
I can only find 10'6" Superior doors on the site.
best regards,
Fred Jansz


Re: Side reporting marks

Guy Wilber
 

Charlie Vlk wrote;

"Does the term “reporting marks” encompass all the dimensional, weight. load and other information stenciled on the car or just refer to the owner initials?"

Owners initials and car number only.

"When was the registry of owner initials established and under what authority was it established?"

Private cars in 1910 followed by Railroad owned cars. The subject involved The ARA, The MCBA and the Association Of Transportation And Car Accounting Officers. There are further discussions on this subject in the archives...April of 2013.

"Did the Official Railway Equipment Registry have any official or quasi-official role in the assignment of initials to prevent confusion?"

Absolutely not.

"I’ve been skimming old railroad journals and don’t recall the subject coming up in the minutes of the Master Car Builders association or in articles."

Again, search Reporting Marks in the archives along with my name and you'll find most of your questions answered.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Side reporting marks

Guy Wilber
 

On Sep 27, Curt Fortenberry wrote:

"Also, I thought I read that about this time, MCB issued the granddaddy version of the stencil lettering typeface? I've never seen it, could be urban legend."

The Master Car Builders Association issued MCB 26B; "Standard Letters And Figures For Freight Car Markings" in 1911. The original was revised in 1913, '16 and '17. The plate included examples of 9", 7", 4", 3", 2" and 1" letters as well as numerals.

The intent (at the time) was to standardize figures in order to lessen expenses for cutting stencils to match existing markings used on interchanged cars for painting, repairs and service (brake and journal repacks) conditions.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Side reporting marks

Guy Wilber
 

Charlie Vlk wrote:

"If it was one and the same as the The Railway Accounting Officers Association it was merged along with the American Railway Association (likely as already part of the ARA based on the 1923 letter) and other groups to form the Association of American Railroads in 1934."

The Railway Accounting Officers and The Association of Railway Transportation and Car Accounting Officers were two separate and distinct organizations. The former remained an independent organization while the latter was merged into the American Railroad Association on February 19, 1919.

The Association of Railway Transportation and Car Accounting Officers along with the the ARA's Committee On Railway Relations were combined to form the Transportation Division of The ARA. From that date (2/19/1919) the Transportation Division was charged with assigning reporting marks for all railroad companies as well as private owners.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Improving Atlas 1932 kits to model Erie & I-GN boxcars

Todd Sullivan
 

Bill -

Interesting.  Could you add a photo of the original Atlas door(s) for comparison purposes?

Thanks,

Todd Sullivan


Improving Atlas 1932 kits to model Erie & I-GN boxcars

Bill Welch
 

Follow this link for photos of what I write about below: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8y4p742064c0o1c/AAB_qJ8Z2LFmy0OYT-AN15ZPa?dl=0


I have been working on improving two Atlas 1932 ARA steel boxcars, one specific for the Erie, the other destined to be I-GN, a subsidiary of the Missouri Pacific, currently focusing on the doors and door guides. To begin with to my eyes the Atlas doors are anemic in their detail and too generic to be accurate for these two models while the door guides are overstated and not anything like those on the prototypes. I used various dimensions of Evergreen styrene strips for the door guides along with strips made from 0.005 sheet styrene along the top. The darker Grey door is Tichy #3018. Three doors are needed to get a complete door. The bottom section is actually the top section of the Tichy door turned 180 degrees. Similarly to model the door for the I-GN car I turned an InterMountain Superior door from their 10- 6" kit upside down but only one splice was necessary meaning I needed to cut-up just two doors. As one photo shows, the Erie model required me to cut and sculpt the lower sill to create the proper look plus add a new tab. I thought modeling the see-through effect along the lower door guide was important. Aiding me in getting more accurate doors is the fact that neither door used obvious door roller fittings but rather the more rare Creco "Ball Bearing" system. (see Speedwitch's 1932 book for more info and photos.) The upper door stop on the I-GN car was harvested from a Tichy Steel Rebuild kit where it is not needed. At this point I consider these two doors as DRAFTS because I think I do better on my next round. I used the extremely thin and very sharp CMK saw blades to cut the doors into sections: www.cmkkits.com


Bill Welch


Re: Kwik Poly Castings?

Robert kirkham
 

Based on what is on the site, I think Tim is correct.  The site mentions 1% shrinkage; it doesn’t connect this to the use or non-use of fillers.

 

From what I can tell reading the information there, the material is very fluid – they compare it to water when speaking about its ability to permeate porous surfaces.  They also talk about its durability and ease of finishing – like hardwood.  I didn’t pick out language on brittleness or similar properties. 

 

How much of that is marketing versus reality – no idea.  But it certainly reads like a product worth testing.

 

Rob  

 

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Not necessarily ... fillers can make the material go further, or decrease
its density, or otherwise modify its properties.




Hi Rob, Ron, and List Members,

Note on their web site it mentions fillers in several places, in particular "its ability to combine with tremendous amounts of
filler, which can then be utilized in filling voids, dents, pits, and gaps in almost any situation".

I suspect that if a filler is needed, it may be because the material on its own without the filler may shrink. This would make it
unsuitable for making castings.

Claus Schlund





Re: Pre Chicagoland RPM sale

Clark Propst
 

Beings sales have been good I’ll added 6 more plastic models to my remaining cars. The tank car and flat cars are $10 each.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Rare birds

Jim Pickett
 

My bet is that the whole scene was just staged for the camera including the "highball"


Jim Pickett


On Sunday, October 1, 2017, 3:28:39 PM EDT, 'Charles Morrill' badlands@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

I wonder the odds of that sentry still standing like that when the slack runs out.
 
Charlie
 
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 12:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rare birds
 


What are the odds of a Life photographer capturing one of the Virginian's 15 50' flat cars loaded with military equipment in Louisiana?  I don't think he chose that car for it's rarity, rather the action of the KCS trainman giving the highball in front of the 77th Division sentry.

 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Lovettsville, VA
 
707-490-9696
 
PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736


Re: NP 52 foot flatcar 60909

Brian Termunde
 

I get the "You must log in to continue." message with following complete links;




742540105069/1690862054493117/?type=3>


https://www.facebook.com/Radio.WW2/photos/a.1690859117826744.1073742070.163%204742540105069/1690862054493117/?type=3&theater%3E%20&theater

However, I can get in, I found, by shorting the link to;

https://www.facebook.com/pg/Radio.WW2/photos/

BUT, was not able to find the photo. Either I'm looking in the wrong place, or am overlooking it.

I really do appreciate everyone's suggestions though! Thank you all very much!


Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


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Posted by: "Don Burn" burn@... don_burn
Date: Sat Sep 30, 2017 1:14 pm ((PDT))

Brian,

Check the URL you used, this works fine for me, and I am not on Facebook.

Don Burn


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Be sure to copy & paste the entire URL…





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