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Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

Tim O'Connor
 


I thought it was STC at first as well. But sure enough an STC 1915 frame is very
different than the 1918 frame, while the later PTC frames look more like the earlier
STC frame. Weird!

As for the date, can those spot/flood lights on the scale house help pin down the
decade at least?

Tim O'Connor


That's one of the very early (circa 1912-1916 or so) Pennsylvania Tank Car tanks. The frame design was taken up by Standard Tank Car when its predecessor started in 1916 and PTC changed frames.
David Thompson


http://i.pinimg.com/1200x/1d/e5/18/1de51863456974b82a4b9bf3146c35e7.jpg


Re: Low side gons

Tim O'Connor
 


Yes, but I don't know when they appeared on the roster. I have a photo of
N&W 247728, a 41 foot IL gondola, class G-14. It has a REBUILD stencil but
the date is obscured. Another class, G-55 had more typical interior height
and also is 41 foot IL. These may both be post-STMFC era.

Tim O'Connor




None I can find. The 1937 G1 class was the first lowside gons but they were 46'.
You could double check nwhs.org but I didn't see any.
Jeff Coleman



 Did the N&W or Virginian have 40 foot low side gondolas?�  I'm aware of 46 foot gons,
 but unsure on 40 foot. Thanks, George Courtney


Re: The circle continues to become smaller

Tony Thompson
 

       I can second what many have been saying -- it was always pleasant to run into Dave at a meeting. He invariably had well-informed questions to ask, and I always tried to answer as best I could. His store of knowledge of both prototype and model railroading was considerable, so he was an interesting person to chat with. I will miss him too.

Tony Thompson




Re: Box Car Crack Filler For Grain Transport

Brian Termunde
 

Dave,
When you say "west of California", do you mean Hawaii, Guam, PI, Japan or maybe China? Or further west?

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


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2a. Re: Box Car Crack Filler For Grain Transport
Posted by: "Dave Parker" spottab@... spottab
Date: Wed Oct 4, 2017 7:56 am ((PDT))

Tony wrote:There is a big company that uses rice to make a thin beverage, but many of us do not consider it beer.
Well said, but there are many companies that use what are called adjuncts in the brewing of "beer".  An adjunct is any source of fermentables that is not malted barley (or wheat or rye).  Rice is particularly prevalent in beers brewed to the west of California, but my sense is that corn is just as (perhaps more) common in U.S. lagers from the large macrobreweries.
The Germans have traditionally been rather stuffy about the use of adjuncts, with various iterations of their Reinheitsgebot (purity regulations) dating back to the 16th century.  Traditionally, to be called beer in Germany, the only ingredients allowed are malt, hops, water, and yeast.
Actually, many very good beers contain adjuncts, often some form of table sugar (sucrose).  FBOFW, these additions increase the alcohol content without making the beer too heavy.  Examples include many Belgian ales and even some "big" American IPAs.
And, as a rule, these adjuncts were and often still are transported in FREIGHT CARS.
Dave ParkerRiverside, CA(who used to brew beer before model railroading took over his entire life)


Re: Howard Ameling

Jim King
 

Brian,

 

Thank you for correcting me re: where Howard’s collection went.  I’m glad it all stayed together with y’all rather than going to a dusty college archives who may never make them available.  He had a VERY large collection and it will take many volunteer hours to document all he amassed over at least 60 years of shooting and collecting.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


Re: Low side gons

David
 

Longer answer, discounting composite and side-dump cars and mill gondolas:

N&W cut down 800 class GJa gondolas to 3' sides in 1934-5, #s 98000-98799 class GJc.
N&W cut down 500 class GU gondolas to 3' sides in 1938, #s 90000-90499 class G-2.
Virginian cut down 75 class G-2 gondolas to 3'6" sides in 1941, #s 3850-3924 class G-2A.

N&W class G-6 and G-9 were longer than 40'.

David Thompson


Re: Low side gons

Jeff Coleman
 

None I can find. The 1937 G1 class was the first lowside gons but they were 46'. 
You could double check nwhs.org but I didn't see any. 

Jeff Coleman

On Oct 4, 2017 6:27 PM, "gsc3@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Did the N&W or Virginian have 40 foot low side gondolas?  I'm aware of 46 foot gons, but unsure on 40 foot.


Thanks,

George Courtney


Re: The circle continues to become smaller

 

I am sorry to hear about Dave's passing. He was a prominent name that I recognized at Shake N Take and other venues in our great hobby. He will be sorely missed. My prayers go out to Dave's family.

Rich Christie


Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

David
 

That's one of the very early (circa 1912-1916 or so) Pennsylvania Tank Car tanks. The frame design was taken up by Standard Tank Car when its predecessor started in 1916 and PTC changed frames.

David Thompson


Re: The circle continues to become smaller

Ted Culotta
 

Dave was one of the nicest, most genuine people I have met in the hobby. I will miss seeing him and discussing topics we all love.


Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

John Hile
 

I'd say Standard Tank Car Co. is the builder.


Re: Low side gons

David
 

What's your definition of "low"?

David Thompson


Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Any thoughts on who built this tank car? I’m reasonably certain it is not an AC&F product.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On Oct 4, 2017, at 6:41 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Here is a nice bird's eye view of CMTX 465 going over a retarder:
Unfortunately, I have no date nor location for the photo.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Howard Ameling

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

GREAT!  Al Kresse

On October 4, 2017 at 7:15 PM "Brian Carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

On correction to what Jim posted. Putting my official hat on.  We, the NKPHTS, are the custodian of Howard's entire collection under the terms of a 2004 trust agreement.  Official hat off. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:50 AM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

Sad to read this.  I traded FEC and SCL slides with Howard in exchange for N&W subjects when I was a teen in Ft. Lauderdale in the 1970s and he was still delivering mail in Fremont OH.  After I moved to NC for college, he “connected the dots” by introducing me to, now-TRAINS-Editor, Jim Wrinn and we’ve been great friends ever since.

 

Howard’s health had been declining steadily following his move to the west coast of FL with wife Dottie after retiring from USPS.  We exchanged several phone calls and emails but had no contact in the past few years.  I think his extensive slide and negative collection went to a college around Cleveland (not 100% sure on this, just working from memory) except for NKP-related stuff that was to go to the NKPT&HS where he was charter member number 4, or so his correspondence with me stated.  Perusing his printed catalogs in the 80s was always a treat for me.

 

RIP, buddy.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 

 


 


Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

Bill Vaughn
 

Yes weigh in motion scale.

Bill Vaughn


On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 4:21 PM, "'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Is that a retarder or a weigh-in-motion scale?  I'm inclined to think the latter.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: [STMFC] CMTX 465 (Tank Car)
 


Here is a nice bird's eye view of CMTX 465 going over a retarder:
 
 
Unfortunately, I have no date nor location for the photo.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA





Re: CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

Bruce Smith
 

Is that a retarder or a weigh-in-motion scale?  I'm inclined to think the latter.


Regards

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


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Subject: [STMFC] CMTX 465 (Tank Car)
 


Here is a nice bird's eye view of CMTX 465 going over a retarder:

 

http://i.pinimg.com/1200x/1d/e5/18/1de51863456974b82a4b9bf3146c35e7.jpg

 

Unfortunately, I have no date nor location for the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: Howard Ameling

Brian Carlson
 

On correction to what Jim posted. Putting my official hat on.  We, the NKPHTS, are the custodian of Howard's entire collection under the terms of a 2004 trust agreement.  Official hat off. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:50 AM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Sad to read this.  I traded FEC and SCL slides with Howard in exchange for N&W subjects when I was a teen in Ft. Lauderdale in the 1970s and he was still delivering mail in Fremont OH.  After I moved to NC for college, he “connected the dots” by introducing me to, now-TRAINS-Editor, Jim Wrinn and we’ve been great friends ever since.

 

Howard’s health had been declining steadily following his move to the west coast of FL with wife Dottie after retiring from USPS.  We exchanged several phone calls and emails but had no contact in the past few years.  I think his extensive slide and negative collection went to a college around Cleveland (not 100% sure on this, just working from memory) except for NKP-related stuff that was to go to the NKPT&HS where he was charter member number 4, or so his correspondence with me stated.  Perusing his printed catalogs in the 80s was always a treat for me.

 

RIP, buddy.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


CMTX 465 (Tank Car)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a nice bird's eye view of CMTX 465 going over a retarder:

 

http://i.pinimg.com/1200x/1d/e5/18/1de51863456974b82a4b9bf3146c35e7.jpg

 

Unfortunately, I have no date nor location for the photo.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Box Car Crack Filler For Grain Transport

billinsf@...
 

Tony, in reviewing my previous comment, I have to say that I NEVER said rice wasn't a grain. All I was saying was that rice, like most other grains, has a seed coat that is often removed by milling.

Bill Daniels


Low side gons

George Courtney
 

Did the N&W or Virginian have 40 foot low side gondolas?  I'm aware of 46 foot gons, but unsure on 40 foot.


Thanks,

George Courtney

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