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Re: Reprints of out of stock Focus on Freight Cars Volumes 5, 6, 7, and 9

Robert J Miller CFA
 

Ted.

Will you be bringing some to RPM Chicago next week?

Robert J. Miller CFA
Saginaw, MI

Tell the truth, work hard, and come to dinner on time.
Gerald R. Ford


On ‎Sunday‎, ‎October‎ ‎15‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎45‎:‎50‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:


 

I am reprinting four volumes of Focus on Freight Cars that have been out of stock. I also have several new decal sets for Steam Era freight cars (with more coming). More details at the Speedwitch site.Thank you.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Rio Grande question - Where is "FA?"

Dennis Storzek
 




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BTW, the link doesn’t seem to work. Is there a “tiny url” equivalent?
======================

Sorry Schuyler it's been a while since I used tiny url, not sure I remember how. Just go to:


Click on FILES, and scroll down past all the folders to "Station & Reweigh Symbols." It's an Excel file. It's not an official listing, but rather compiled by Richard Hendrickson and others from photo references, but I think it's pretty complete.

I wonder if the ARA/AAR ever published an official list? It appears the symbols were picked to avoid duplication; the other two FA's I found were in a foreign country, on the CP and CN.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Freigh Car Repair Scene

Dennis Storzek
 


I see something all crushed up between the jack and car frame... it may be leather all folded over, which works as well as wood.

Dennis Storzek

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By todays standards, he should have lowered the car onto blocking rather than
leaving it rest on the jacks alone.  Also there should have been a block of wood on TOP
of the jack to reduce the risk of slippage. 
What he did RIGHT was remove the handle from the jack.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:08 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Re: USRA rebuild with a Hutchins end?

Eric Lombard
 

Tim and Bill,

The best sift out of my data is the TP&W cars with 5 reverse, square-end, Hutchins panels are apparently out of the NKP 27000 series. This is based on the ends that are unique as far as I know. The NKP cars were rebuilt at Frankfort, IN, out of NKP 19000-19999 (Illinois Car & Manufacturing, 1923, XA, 10-0 door, IH 10-0) and some derivatives of that series by increasing the IH to 10-6 with steel sheathing and door at 7-0. The unique end arrangement resulted from rebuilding the original five panel end, the upper-most a flat blank the lower four reverse Hutchins, to a five panel end in which all were reverse Hutchins.

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


Does anyone know who may have applied Hutchins ends to their USRA
rebuilds? I'm guessing this TP&W car is second-hand...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11690865@N06/35324886915/

Tim O'Connor



Re: Freigh Car Repair Scene

Charles Peck
 

By todays standards, he should have lowered the car onto blocking rather than
leaving it rest on the jacks alone.  Also there should have been a block of wood on TOP
of the jack to reduce the risk of slippage. 
What he did RIGHT was remove the handle from the jack.
Chuck Peck

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 1:08 PM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Re: Tank car with biggest capacity during 1930?

Tim O'Connor
 

the infamous J&L Steel tank cars of course - 20,000 gallons

I would like to know what is the tank car with the most gallons in capacity as of the year 1930. The candidate I've been thinking is the 1930-built Santa Fe Tk-L with 16,000 gallons or a little more. Thank you.

Tyler


Re: USRA rebuild with a Hutchins end?

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Bill that's probably correct. NKP did have reverse Hutchins ends on some
double sheath cars and I found a photo of an NKP 27000-27914 series rebuild that
is identical to the TP&W box car. I have no idea what they were rebuilt from but
I'll guess auto cars, because of the height of the original Hutchins ends.

Tim O'Connor


   Likely an ex-NKP rebuild as offered in resin by Sunshine. I do not remember it
   origins so I cannot speak to whether it rebuilt from a USRA car or not.
   Bill Welch



Freigh Car Repair Scene

rwitt_2000
 


Re: Tank car with biggest capacity during 1930?

al_brown03
 

Mm, when were the Jones & Laughlin 20,000-gallon tanks built? They appear (JLSX 1020-1028) in the 1936 tank-car tariff but I don't have an earlier listing.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Tank car with biggest capacity during 1930?

Tyler McMillin
 

I would like to know what is the tank car with the most gallons in capacity as of the year 1930. The candidate I've been thinking is the 1930-built Santa Fe Tk-L with 16,000 gallons or a little more. Thank you.

Tyler


Re: USRA rebuild with a Hutchins end?

Bill Welch
 

Likely an ex-NKP rebuild as offered in resin by Sunshine. I do not remember it origins so I cannot speak to whether it rebuilt from a USRA car or not.

Bill Welch


USRA rebuild with a Hutchins end?

Tim O'Connor
 

Does anyone know who may have applied Hutchins ends to their USRA
rebuilds? I'm guessing this TP&W car is second-hand...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/11690865@N06/35324886915/

Tim O'Connor


Re: PARTS NEEDED

Tim O'Connor
 


I already offered to send the DW parts to Bill, but if he prefers
Terry's parts that's ok too. They are very similar to each other with
only a tiny difference in height and thickness. For all I know Terry
may have done the tooling for the DW parts! I'm pretty sure he did the
replacement 4/5 and 5/5 ends for Athearn box cars which were very nice
parts.

Tim O'Connor




I have not done the fitting, counting ribs and comparison checks, but what is the possibility that the ends Terry Wegmann made for his PFE R-30-18 flat kit being useful for this application? Bill, I could bring a pair of these ends to next week's S-o-N meet for your consideration, as I have quite a few to spare.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

From: "WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] PARTS NEEDED

 

Ted Culotta's latest release of the Prototype Modeler publication is in my opinion the best yet. This is probably based on the fact that three articles in this edition pertain to cars on my roster. Regretfully two of these are already completedcars which now need a few upgrades. The third is one that I had not even thought of prior to this edition. That is the PFE R-40-14 refer..Unfortunatley this also poses a problem. The ends that Ted used (Details West #1001 Dreadnaught 4-4 ends with rounded corners) do not seem to be available. Does anyone possibly have a set in their stash that they would be willoing to part with?

Thanks for any help and I will be looking forward to seeing everyone in Naper ville next week:

Bill Pardie


PARTS NEEDED

Andy Carlson
 

I have not done the fitting, counting ribs and comparison checks, but what is the possibility that the ends Terry Wegmann made for his PFE R-30-18 flat kit being useful for this application? Bill, I could bring a pair of these ends to next week's S-o-N meet for your consideration, as I have quite a few to spare.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] PARTS NEEDED

 

Ted Culotta's latest release of the Prototype Modeler publication is in my opinion the best yet. This is probably based on the fact that three articles in this edition pertain to cars on my roster. Regretfully two of these are already completedcars which now need a few upgrades. The third is one that I had not even thought of prior to this edition. That is the PFE R-40-14 refer..Unfortunatley this also poses a problem. The ends that Ted used (Details West #1001 Dreadnaught 4-4 ends with rounded corners) do not seem to be available. Does anyone possibly have a set in their stash that they would be willoing to part with?

Thanks for any help and I will be looking forward to seeing everyone in Naper ville next week:

Bill Pardie



Re: SFRD

Bob Chaparro
 

A little more background on this.


On August 18, 1918, the United States Railway Administration announced that the SFRD (Despatch) would be under Federal control of the USRA effective January 1, 1919. Subsequently, the United States Railway Administration eliminated Santa Fe Refrigerator Despatch on that date. USRA took control of SFRD (Despatch) cars with the operation of the cars remaining under the Santa Fe Railway. 


The Santa Fe immediately reorganized Despatch, which was a separate company, as the Santa Fe Refrigerator Department, a department of the railroad, thus allowing more control of the refrigerator cars and operations as allowed under the USRA. SFRD then stood for Santa Fe Refrigerator Department.


As late as 1924 (six years after the “D” stood for Department) the Official Railway Equipment Registers SFRD reporting marks were still listed as Santa Fe Refrigerator DESPATCH.  The Registers had not caught up with the official change.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


 



Re: Rio Grande question - Where is "FA?"

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Dennis. I was going for an on-line shop because this doesn’t have the look of the typical reweigh. There’s no paint patch with the FA 10-45 lettering on it, it appears to have been applied at the same time as the rest of the lettering. If it was on the ATSF it was done very carefully . . . or the car was repainted altogether.



BTW, the link doesn’t seem to work. Is there a “tiny url” equivalent?



Schuyler



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Is there, was there, some car shop, perhaps small, on the D&RGW where this car might have been repaired/repainted in 1945?



Schuyler

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First off, you need to remember that the re-weigh date has nothing to do with repainting or shopping... you don't even need a shop, only a scale. And, when cars were due for a re-weigh, they could be done anywhere in the country, because it was against the AAR car service rules to offer a car for loading if the weight wasn't current.



Looking at the list of station symbols in the files section at:



https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Station+%26+Reweigh+Symbols.xls?token=glAp_PbkbVk6OkrkLv9GfF_nnG__YaYAes-4QMEDkLIBvYyaM_ymmO3N50NRDMjnc45a3_2qb8kOJS9XhV8Urd_EqFJQaBWG1wZooD47l4rOQULwptCmCBB-_7nX9aYUSxI86Q <https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Station+%26+Reweigh+Symbols.xls?token=glAp_PbkbVk6OkrkLv9GfF_nnG__YaYAes-4QMEDkLIBvYyaM_ymmO3N50NRDMjnc45a3_2qb8kOJS9XhV8Urd_EqFJQaBWG1wZooD47l4rOQULwptCmCBB-_7nX9aYUSxI86Q&type=download> &type=download



there are several possibilities, but the most likely is Fresno, CA on the ATSF.



Dennis Storzek


Re: SFRD

John Moore
 

One other item. 

The periods after each letter starting in 1902 was discontinued in the 1943-44 period.  So S.F.R.D. became SFRD

John B. Moore, Jr.
Albuquerque



From: "'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: SFRD

 
Exactly what I did want, thanks!

Schuyler

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: SFRD

The reporting marks SFRD started in 1902 when the Santa FE Refrigerator Line was combined into a new Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch company.

In 1918 the USRA ruled that the Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch would cease to exist. The Santa Fe reorganized the dispatch company as a department of the railroad and the same reporting marks were used.

So SFRD was used from 1902 to the end of ice activated refrigerator service (which is past the 1960 dead line for this group)

Probably more than you wanted.

John B. Moore, Jr.

Albuquerque

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Re: SFRD

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Exactly what I did want, thanks!



Schuyler



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Subject: [STMFC] Re: SFRD





The reporting marks SFRD started in 1902 when the Santa FE Refrigerator Line was combined into a new Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch company.



In 1918 the USRA ruled that the Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch would cease to exist. The Santa Fe reorganized the dispatch company as a department of the railroad and the same reporting marks were used.



So SFRD was used from 1902 to the end of ice activated refrigerator service (which is past the 1960 dead line for this group)



Probably more than you wanted.



John B. Moore, Jr.

Albuquerque


Re: Rio Grande question - Where is "FA?"

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote :

 

Is there, was there, some car shop, perhaps small, on the D&RGW where this car might have been repaired/repainted in 1945?

 

Schuyler

================


First off, you need to remember that the re-weigh date has nothing to do with repainting or shopping... you don't even need a shop, only a scale. And, when cars were due for a re-weigh, they could be done anywhere in the country, because it was against the AAR car service rules to offer a car for loading if the weight wasn't current.


Looking at the list of station symbols in the files section at:


https://xa.yimg.com/df/STMFC/Station+%26+Reweigh+Symbols.xls?token=glAp_PbkbVk6OkrkLv9GfF_nnG__YaYAes-4QMEDkLIBvYyaM_ymmO3N50NRDMjnc45a3_2qb8kOJS9XhV8Urd_EqFJQaBWG1wZooD47l4rOQULwptCmCBB-_7nX9aYUSxI86Q&type=download


there are several possibilities, but the most likely is Fresno, CA on the ATSF.


Dennis Storzek

 


Re: SFRD

John Moore
 

The reporting marks SFRD started in 1902 when the Santa FE Refrigerator Line was combined into a new Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch company.

In 1918 the USRA ruled that the Santa Fe Refrigerator Dispatch would cease to exist.  The Santa Fe reorganized the dispatch company as a department of the railroad and the same reporting marks were used.

So SFRD was used from 1902 to the end of ice activated refrigerator service (which is past the 1960 dead line for this group)

Probably more than you wanted.

John B. Moore, Jr.
Albuquerque

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