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Re: ICC 105 tanks and BLI 6k tank

devansprr
 

Thanks Tony - The Jan '43 ORER lacks the TPI, so it must have been added somewhere in that 18 month window.

I do have Al W's Jan '45 ORER CD with the TPI class - so that should answer my question. I notice Ethyl went from 246 cars to 342 cars in two years - most of them 6k 105A300's.

Sorry about the ARA/AAR - I am working a current AAR initiative, so in trying to make sure I don't use ARA in a meeting, I try to use ARA for modeling and AAR for work, especially since a lot of WWII rolling stock was based on ARA designs.

Dave Evans


---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :

Dave Evans wrote:

 

TPI wasn't included in the tank car type table in editorial section of the '43 ORER, and the ARA/ICC cross reference shows TM for type 105 (Footnote says to add I to the tank car class if insulated, so that would make it TMI for type 105.)


       This may be true, but in my July 1944 ORER there definitely IS a listing for TP tank cars. And by the way, after 1934, the ARA had become the AAR, so we are talking about AAR car classes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: 50' w/6' door

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

I picked one of those up too Clark, thought the look very interesting. CNW and IC had 50-footers w/6-foot doors too, kind of funky looking in a good way. Wish someone would do them in resin.
=======================

The Soo Line had them too, 136200-136298 even, 50 cars built by Pullman-Standard in 1936. These were 10'-0" IH cars, and looked really weird with their almost flat Pullman built doors. These were only 50 ton cars, and I remember reading that they were intended for LCL service.

The strange doors did not last long. By 1953 10 cars had already been rebuilt with 8' doors; five of them receiving perforated metal linings for packaged foodstuff loading, Mech. Designation XME. The doors were slightly staggered; the left edge of the opening remained as built while the opening was extended two feet to the right. The new doors were Improved Youngstown. By 1962 the 48 remaining cars had all been converted, and some had received DF loaders.

Dennis Storzek
 


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Riley Kinney
 

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Re: ICC 105 tanks and BLI 6k tank

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Evans wrote:

 

TPI wasn't included in the tank car type table in editorial section of the '43 ORER, and the ARA/ICC cross reference shows TM for type 105 (Footnote says to add I to the tank car class if insulated, so that would make it TMI for type 105.)


       This may be true, but in my July 1944 ORER there definitely IS a listing for TP tank cars. And by the way, after 1934, the ARA had become the AAR, so we are talking about AAR car classes.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: ICC105 tanks and BLI 6k tank (was ICC 150)

devansprr
 

Sorry gents - I transposed the 0 and 5 on the subject line.

Dave Evans


Re: ICC150 tanks and BLI 6k tank

devansprr
 

Tony,

For the 1943 ORER, Ethyl and Hooker list TMI for their ICC105 cars (two of the owners who do list the ICC type.)

TPI wasn't included in the tank car type table in editorial section of the '43 ORER, and the ARA/ICC cross reference shows TM for type 105 (Footnote says to add I to the tank car class if insulated, so that would make it TMI for type 105.)

When was TPI started by ARA?

I guess I could cross reference a later ORER that used the TPI designation? In the '43 ORER you need to peruse the notes, and they appear to be incomplete for some car owners.

The '36 freight tarriff 300-A tank car book uses notes that identify the commodity shipped for specialized cars. I guess that was the way to find a chlorine car - look for cars with note 10? For a modeler, that may actually be more useful than just ICC105 (since chlorine cars were almost all ICC105, except for the cars with racks of small tanks?)

Is it even possible to find WWII era tarriff 300-A's?

Dave Evans


Re: 50' w/6' door

Bill Welch
 

I picked one of those up too Clark, thought the look very interesting. CNW and IC had 50-footers w/6-foot doors too, kind of funky looking in a good way. Wish someone would do them in resin.

Sorry to see the Rib-side car line disappear as they can be made into very interesting and good models.

Bill Welch


Re: ICC150 tanks and BLI 6k tank

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Evans wrote:

 

With the second shipment of BLI 6k tank cars, I am trying to figure out just how prevalent ICC type 105 cars were during WWII, and specifically 6k cars.

Most tank car owner lists in the 1943 ORER do not list the ICC class - just the ARA designations.


     The ICC 105 cars are AAR Class TPI. Look for that.


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






ICC150 tanks and BLI 6k tank

devansprr
 

With the second shipment of BLI 6k tank cars, I am trying to figure out just how prevalent ICC type 105 cars were during WWII, and specifically 6k cars.

Most tank car owner lists in the 1943 ORER do not list the ICC class - just the ARA designations.

I have searched the archives and files here, and there is lots of good information on the BLI paint schemes and dates (Thank-you!), but I can not find a fleet count for this sort of car type.

Does anyone have a rough idea? Most everything I can find (ORER entries that include ICC types - there are some), Ed's ACF book, and other posts suggests that these cars were bought in very modest quantities. Perhaps less than 1000 of them in the North American fleet during WWII?

Is there a source on tank car counts by ICC type?

Thank-you,
Dave Evans



Re: 50' w/6' door

Benjamin Hom
 


Clark Propst wrote:
"Several heartland railroads bought 50’ box cars with 6’ doors. I picked up a Rib Side Cars kit at a train show yesterday. I’m curious to know their intended use."

Basically big 40 ft boxcars.  The 6 ft door opening makes them suited for existing grain doors, which would be attractive to the granger roads.  Of course, wider door openings were becoming more attractive for general service, especially with the wider use of forktrucks.


Ben Hom  


50' w/6' door

Clark Propst
 

Several heartland railroads bought 50’ box cars with 6’ doors. I picked up a Rib Side Cars kit at a train show yesterday. I’m curious to know their intended use.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

 

Most appear to be color printers only, and I don’t see my B&W listed at all. I have emailed them and will let the list know. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Nov 4, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

On 11/4/2017 3:18 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] wrote:
Actually, I was rather hoping they offered white cartridges for B&W lasers, like my HP P2035n. 

    They make cartridges for a bunch of printers.  See their site.

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/ghost-white-toner-for-your-printer/?lang=en

--
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For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/4/2017 3:18 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] wrote:
Actually, I was rather hoping they offered white cartridges for B&W lasers, like my HP P2035n. 

    They make cartridges for a bunch of printers.  See their site.

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/ghost-white-toner-for-your-printer/?lang=en

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Dave Parker
 

Brian:

It might be worth shooting the Ghost people (I don't know of other suppliers; are there any?) an email and asking.  Maybe if you ship them an empty black cartridge, they can fill it with white.  My sense is that is the extent of the technology.

The white cartridge is supposed to be good for hundreds of pages, more than I can imagine ever needing.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA



On Saturday, November 4, 2017 3:18 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Actually, I was rather hoping they offered white cartridges for B&W lasers, like my HP P2035n. I can do black decals all day long on it, but it seems suppliers only make white carts for color lasers

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List on behalf of STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 5:02 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

I think Ray's comments, and I know mine, were aimed at people who don't own a functional ALPS printer and/or don't want to go down that rather uncertain road. If you've got one, and you think the game is worth candle, then you can ignore any information posted about laser-printing of decals (and respond accordingly).

Dave Parker

Riverside, CA

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 2:39 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC]" wrote:

So a color laser is required? Count me out. I’ll stick to my ALPS.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:00 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Home printed, white decals are a real thing. Ignore Alps, ignore Rail Graphics (which is closing in a month anyway). Go directly here:

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/?lang=en

I had a couple of sets on display at Lisle (the MDT reefer decals if anyone saw them), and full sets were handed out two weeks ago at the Carolinas RPM meet along with their "build N' Bash" Southern ventilated boxcar. The printers and ink are giving several of us good results down to 2" HO scale lettering.

If you need Duluxe, or anything complex like multi-colored heralds, contact Microscale directly. They're cost-competitive with any of the other custom decal producers. The NKPHTS just ran full-sized sheets of two-color decals for far less than $5 a sheet. (if you want good Duluxe color saturation, ask for color "DCX3").

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 10:02:37 AM CDT, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:

I think the key to the problem was mentioned several pages of messages back... The big problem with short run printing of decals is finding a system that can print white, since most computer printers rely on the white paper showing through. ALPS printers used a ribbon that was thermally set to the decal paper, and included white for use as a backer to overprint transparent colors like red over other colors. The ALPS technology is almost history now.

The other industry that uses white printing is custom T shirts. But fabrics are printed with a thick rubberized ink that adheres to the threads in the weave. Someone stated a while back that Tichy is using a "modified fabric print head." I suspect the ink in the process is not optimist for printing decals.

Hope he gets the kinks worked out.

Dennis Storzek

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Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

 

Actually, I was rather hoping they offered white cartridges for B&W lasers, like my HP P2035n. I can do black decals all day long on it, but it seems suppliers only make white carts for color lasers





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni





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Date: Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 5:02 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)





I think Ray's comments, and I know mine, were aimed at people who don't own a functional ALPS printer and/or don't want to go down that rather uncertain road. If you've got one, and you think the game is worth candle, then you can ignore any information posted about laser-printing of decals (and respond accordingly).



Dave Parker

Riverside, CA

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 2:39 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@gmail.com [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





So a color laser is required? Count me out. I’ll stick to my ALPS.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:00 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Home printed, white decals are a real thing. Ignore Alps, ignore Rail Graphics (which is closing in a month anyway). Go directly here:

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/?lang=en

I had a couple of sets on display at Lisle (the MDT reefer decals if anyone saw them), and full sets were handed out two weeks ago at the Carolinas RPM meet along with their "build N' Bash" Southern ventilated boxcar. The printers and ink are giving several of us good results down to 2" HO scale lettering.

If you need Duluxe, or anything complex like multi-colored heralds, contact Microscale directly. They're cost-competitive with any of the other custom decal producers. The NKPHTS just ran full-sized sheets of two-color decals for far less than $5 a sheet. (if you want good Duluxe color saturation, ask for color "DCX3").

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 10:02:37 AM CDT, destorzek@mchsi.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I think the key to the problem was mentioned several pages of messages back... The big problem with short run printing of decals is finding a system that can print white, since most computer printers rely on the white paper showing through. ALPS printers used a ribbon that was thermally set to the decal paper, and included white for use as a backer to overprint transparent colors like red over other colors. The ALPS technology is almost history now.

The other industry that uses white printing is custom T shirts. But fabrics are printed with a thick rubberized ink that adheres to the threads in the weave. Someone stated a while back that Tichy is using a "modified fabric print head." I suspect the ink in the process is not optimist for printing decals.

Hope he gets the kinks worked out.

Dennis Storzek

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Dave Parker
 

I think Ray's comments, and I know mine, were aimed at people who don't own a functional ALPS printer and/or don't want to go down that rather uncertain road.  If you've got one, and you think the game is worth candle, then you can ignore any information posted about laser-printing of decals (and respond accordingly).

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Saturday, November 4, 2017 2:39 PM, "BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
So a color laser is required? Count me out. I’ll stick to my ALPS.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List on behalf of STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:00 PM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

Home printed, white decals are a real thing. Ignore Alps, ignore Rail Graphics (which is closing in a month anyway). Go directly here:

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/?lang=en

I had a couple of sets on display at Lisle (the MDT reefer decals if anyone saw them), and full sets were handed out two weeks ago at the Carolinas RPM meet along with their "build N' Bash" Southern ventilated boxcar. The printers and ink are giving several of us good results down to 2" HO scale lettering.

If you need Duluxe, or anything complex like multi-colored heralds, contact Microscale directly. They're cost-competitive with any of the other custom decal producers. The NKPHTS just ran full-sized sheets of two-color decals for far less than $5 a sheet. (if you want good Duluxe color saturation, ask for color "DCX3").

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 10:02:37 AM CDT, destorzek@... [STMFC] wrote:

I think the key to the problem was mentioned several pages of messages back... The big problem with short run printing of decals is finding a system that can print white, since most computer printers rely on the white paper showing through. ALPS printers used a ribbon that was thermally set to the decal paper, and included white for use as a backer to overprint transparent colors like red over other colors. The ALPS technology is almost history now.

The other industry that uses white printing is custom T shirts. But fabrics are printed with a thick rubberized ink that adheres to the threads in the weave. Someone stated a while back that Tichy is using a "modified fabric print head." I suspect the ink in the process is not optimist for printing decals.

Hope he gets the kinks worked out.

Dennis Storzek

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




Re: Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)

 

So a color laser is required? Count me out. I’ll stick to my ALPS.





Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:00 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy decals (was RE: Decal Adhesive)





Home printed, white decals are a real thing. Ignore Alps, ignore Rail Graphics (which is closing in a month anyway). Go directly here:

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/?lang=en

I had a couple of sets on display at Lisle (the MDT reefer decals if anyone saw them), and full sets were handed out two weeks ago at the Carolinas RPM meet along with their "build N' Bash" Southern ventilated boxcar. The printers and ink are giving several of us good results down to 2" HO scale lettering.



If you need Duluxe, or anything complex like multi-colored heralds, contact Microscale directly. They're cost-competitive with any of the other custom decal producers. The NKPHTS just ran full-sized sheets of two-color decals for far less than $5 a sheet. (if you want good Duluxe color saturation, ask for color "DCX3").



Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

On Thursday, November 2, 2017, 10:02:37 AM CDT, destorzek@mchsi.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:







I think the key to the problem was mentioned several pages of messages back... The big problem with short run printing of decals is finding a system that can print white, since most computer printers rely on the white paper showing through. ALPS printers used a ribbon that was thermally set to the decal paper, and included white for use as a backer to overprint transparent colors like red over other colors. The ALPS technology is almost history now.



The other industry that uses white printing is custom T shirts. But fabrics are printed with a thick rubberized ink that adheres to the threads in the weave. Someone stated a while back that Tichy is using a "modified fabric print head." I suspect the ink in the process is not optimist for printing decals.



Hope he gets the kinks worked out.



Dennis Storzek


Re: AAR L&D rules

Guy Wilber
 

Richard wrote:

“What are or were L&D rules?”

Loss and Damage

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


AAR L&D rules

Richard Townsend
 

I see a 1958 check for sale on eBay from the Colorado & Southern to the Lehigh Valley that says it is for "A.A.R.-L & D Rules 150 and 152." What are or were L&D rules? Since there's another, unchecked category on the face of the check for per diem and mileage I assume  the L&D rules Have nothing to do with that.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR




Re: Make Your Own Decals (was Tichy Decals)

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Dave  North,

You need to apply a layer of V Photo Primer between the white layers if you’re using a MD-5000 or MD-5500.

If you have a MD-1000 or 1300 you should use a pass of finish between layers. And you may need to use three layers of white with the finish between all layers.

This is due to the “new” white cartridges introduced with the MD-5500. It doesn’t want to adhere to itself.

John Hagen

 

 

Ø  Re: Make Your Own Decals (was Tichy Decals)

Ø  Thu Nov 2, 2017 8:45 pm (PDT) . Posted by:

Ø  "David North" atsfsd26

Ø  David mentioned that the white cart for his laser printer does not produce a
very opaque white.

Ø  To be fair, my ALPS has the same problem (I haven't seen David's decals so I
can't compare actual opacity.

Ø  While the printer should print a white base coat then a white overlay, mine
won't (the head scratches the first print while laying down the second one).

Ø  So I print two decals and simply apply one, set it with Micro Sol, let it
dry thoroughly, then apply the second decal over the first.

Ø  For reporting marks and road numbers it works fine.

Ø  I use Tango Papa paper which is thin so I don't have a problem with the
overall thickness of the two decals.

Ø  Cheers

Ø  Dave North

 

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