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Upgrades to an Erie box car

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill Welch shares detail techniques on the Resin Car Works blog as he upgrades an HO scale Erie box car. Check out Bill's Xxtreme Modeling activities!

http://blog.resincarworks.com/upgrades-for-erie-ara-1932-standard-box-cars/


Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Re: Very Small Chain

Bill Welch
 

Everyone, initially I am going to experiment w/0.010 wire and go to 0.008 if necessary. For the brake lever attachment I like to use a very short section of wire attached thru the lever that works like a little hook. I use CA to hold the chain to the hook. The trick will be how to attach this very small chain to the rod, where I prefer to use .012 wire. Same problem with brake gear on "B" end. I will take photos to share when I get around to it.

Bill Welch


Re: Very Small Chain

Dave Parker
 

Bill:

When I need fine, soft wire to make a loop (or other things), I use UTC Ultra Wire.  It's a fly fishing (tying) product, and pretty cheap.  Sizes:  XS = 0.0045", S = 0.0065", BR (=brassie) = 0.0083", M = 0.0135".  Sizes are approximate, as it seems to vary a bit from spool to spool

It comes in some colors (e.g., black, brown) that can be convenient.  It's available at a lot of fishing outlets.  A quick glance suggests J. Stockard has one of the better selections.

Best,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


On Sunday, November 12, 2017 2:24 PM, "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hello Bill,
 
the smallest wire (for hobby purposes) I know of is the Detail Associates #2501. It is just .006" brass. I am using this for bell and whistle ropes and several other appliances. It is soft enough for very sharp bendings. Sometimes they show up at ebay.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
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A new modeling friend in Germany helped me acquire some very small chain, 50 links per inch. Here you can compare it to Abe's head. Now I need to figure out how to attach it as .012 wire is too large to slip through a link. maybe .010 or .008 wire. Here is a link to a photo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecmp2nm17wvtw9h/Very%20Small%20Chain%20.JPG?dl=0
 
 
Bill Welch
 
 



Re: Very Small Chain

mwbauers
 

I think you folks would also like a single strand of the stranded copper wire you find in an ordinary electrical extension cord.

That copper wire is about the same size and a single about to be thrown out old electrical cord is a lifetime supply of such fine wire.

So give it a thought before you throw out the next worn out extension cord.

Or the next time you see one for sale for a buck or two, buy it.


Mike Bauers

On Nov 12, 2017, at 4:24 PM, "j.markwart@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

the smallest wire (for hobby purposes) I know of is the Detail Associates #2501. It is just .006" brass.


Re: Very Small Chain

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Bill,
 
the smallest wire (for hobby purposes) I know of is the Detail Associates #2501. It is just .006" brass. I am using this for bell and whistle ropes and several other appliances. It is soft enough for very sharp bendings. Sometimes they show up at ebay.
 
Many greetings
 
Johannes
 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. November 2017 um 22:32 Uhr
Von: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
An: STMFC@...
Betreff: [STMFC] Very Small Chain
 

 

A new modeling friend in Germany helped me acquire some very small chain, 50 links per inch. Here you can compare it to Abe's head. Now I need to figure out how to attach it as .012 wire is too large to slip through a link. maybe .010 or .008 wire. Here is a link to a photo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ecmp2nm17wvtw9h/Very%20Small%20Chain%20.JPG?dl=0

 

 

Bill Welch

 

 


Re: Trainfest announcements

Larry Sexton
 

Fenton,

Could you please provide me with Dr. Campbell's address? I'd like to try my hand again at kitbashing since my stroke. Thanks much.

Larry Sexton
---- "O Fenton Wells srrfan1401@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Eric, great blog about the Accurail 36 ft boxcars. They are a wonderfully
needed product for the hobby.
Attached are photos of the bash we did for the Winston Salem NC RPM in
October. We are deeply indebted to Greg Martin and Schuyler Larrabee for
their leadership and inspiration with the Shake 'N Take series of kit
bashing at Cocoa FL RPM.
Thanks to many helpers, Ray Breyer included we put together a Southern RR
Ventilated boxcar bash. Dr. Dave Campbell did the resin ends and doors and
Dr. Dave Bott did the custom decals and Accurail helped with the undec No
1800 version we used as a starting point. We can't thank Accurail enough
for their support. I bashed the car and did a bash clinic at them meet. I
am attaching some poorly taken photos (my bad) that I took of the partial
and finished product. By the way if anyone wants to purchase the decals
and resin parts they will be available from Dr. Campbell for a while for
$12.00 a set(both included). Modelers can purchase the Accurail undec No.
1800 from Accurail. People can email me and I will send them Dr.
Campbell's address.
Bottom line is; building is FUN and bashing may be even more fun.
Fenton Wells

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] <
STMFC@...> wrote:



Accurail: 6 foot door Fowler boxcars. FINALLY in mass-produced plastic.

I'll have a piece on them on Eric's blog
<http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/> in a week or two, once I finish up
the latest Modeler's Notebook.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, November 11, 2017, 7:39:00 PM CST, Brian Carlson
prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I know sometimes new steam era models or paint schemes are announced at
Trainfest Anything this year?

Brian J. Carlson
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Re: Trainfest announcements

O Fenton Wells
 

Eric, great blog about the Accurail 36 ft boxcars. They are a wonderfully
needed product for the hobby.
Attached are photos of the bash we did for the Winston Salem NC RPM in
October. We are deeply indebted to Greg Martin and Schuyler Larrabee for
their leadership and inspiration with the Shake 'N Take series of kit
bashing at Cocoa FL RPM.
Thanks to many helpers, Ray Breyer included we put together a Southern RR
Ventilated boxcar bash. Dr. Dave Campbell did the resin ends and doors and
Dr. Dave Bott did the custom decals and Accurail helped with the undec No
1800 version we used as a starting point. We can't thank Accurail enough
for their support. I bashed the car and did a bash clinic at them meet. I
am attaching some poorly taken photos (my bad) that I took of the partial
and finished product. By the way if anyone wants to purchase the decals
and resin parts they will be available from Dr. Campbell for a while for
$12.00 a set(both included). Modelers can purchase the Accurail undec No.
1800 from Accurail. People can email me and I will send them Dr.
Campbell's address.
Bottom line is; building is FUN and bashing may be even more fun.
Fenton Wells

On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Ray Breyer rtbsvrr69@... [STMFC] <
STMFC@...> wrote:



Accurail: 6 foot door Fowler boxcars. FINALLY in mass-produced plastic.

I'll have a piece on them on Eric's blog
<http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/> in a week or two, once I finish up
the latest Modeler's Notebook.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, November 11, 2017, 7:39:00 PM CST, Brian Carlson
prrk41361@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


I know sometimes new steam era models or paint schemes are announced at
Trainfest Anything this year?

Brian J. Carlson
Sent from my iPhone


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910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


2017 Chicagoland RPM Photos

gtws00
 

I found this link on another yahoo group to a photo album  posted by John Gillies of the 2917 Chicagoland RPM.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/58526444@N07/sets/72157688072820941?ytcheck=1&new_session=1


George Toman



Re: Trainfest announcements

Ray Breyer
 

Accurail: 6 foot door Fowler boxcars. FINALLY in mass-produced plastic.

I'll have a piece on them on Eric's blog in a week or two, once I finish up the latest Modeler's Notebook.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Saturday, November 11, 2017, 7:39:00 PM CST, Brian Carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC] wrote:


I know sometimes new steam era models or paint schemes are announced at Trainfest Anything this year?

Brian J. Carlson



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Trainfest announcements

Brian Carlson
 

I know sometimes new steam era models or paint schemes are announced at Trainfest Anything this year?

Brian J. Carlson


New Kit Release by Mask Island Decals Inc.

hubert mask
 

Mask Island Decals Inc. is pleased to announce the release of the Rock Island Pulp Wood car kit, (wood Rack). The kit contains body, deck, trucks, no wheels, grab irons and under frame parts, and decals.Cast resin kit except deck. Your choice for wheels and couplers. Kit is priced at $37.50. Please visit my web site maskislanddecals.com and view under freight car kits. This is a Biddle Yard rebuild 1951 era.


Thank you!


Hubert Mask

Mask Island Decals inc.


Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds

destorzek@...
 

It can go the other way, too. In 1937 when the Soo Line gave up owning their reefers and began leasing from URTX, they rebuilt the newest reefers, Haskell & Barker, 1921, into flatcars, adding channel steel side sills to the fishbelly underframe.

I seem to recall reading in the trade press that Mather had a plan to rebuild surplus stockcars into gondolas, but the AAR would not approve the resulting sample car for interchange, so it wasn't done.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: 1920s standard freight car lengths for side tracks

Al Kresse <water.kresse@...>
 

Do we know what period/era 40 feet was considered a standard car length for measuring or describing side and yard tracks?  That kind of implies 36-38-foot-long cars or a mix of longer box and gondola cars with shorter hopper cars?


Al Kresse



Eric Hansmann asks,

> How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

Well, not a gon-to-box conversion but similar: in 1929, the B&M rebuilt 100 steel gondolas into their 29000 series pulp racks with two side doors. I have a bit of a writeup on them here:

http://bostonandmainerailroad.redmansefarm.com/BM29000.htm

Earl Tuson

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other gondola to box car rebuilds

Robert kirkham
 

Neither gons nor boxcars, but similar idea: the CPR converted 260 flat cars to auto-boxcars of the 296000-296102 and 296103 -- 296259 series; - re-building in July 1916 - February 1918, with IH: 9' 6"; IL: 40' 6". These are very old style looking double sheathed boxcars with fishbelly centre sills.

Rob Kirkham

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds

Eric Hansmann asks,

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?
Well, not a gon-to-box conversion but similar: in 1929, the B&M rebuilt 100 steel gondolas into their 29000 series pulp racks with two side doors. I have a bit of a writeup on them here:

http://bostonandmainerailroad.redmansefarm.com/BM29000.htm

Earl Tuson



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Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Eric and List Members,
 
Thank you Eric for the very interesting link. What a wonderful model scene that MEC unloading operation would make!
 
I notice the page has a line that reads "Bancroft & Martin Discharging Plant, Livonia, South Portland, 3/26/1946, author's collection (click for 300KB .jpeg)". When I go and click for the 300KB jpeg I get the dreaded "404 Not Found". For those who are interested, the correct link for the 300KB jpeg can be found in the line below...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds

Eric Hansmann asks,

>  How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

Well, not a gon-to-box conversion but similar: in 1929, the B&M rebuilt 100 steel gondolas into their 29000 series pulp racks
with two side doors.  I have a bit of a writeup on them here:

http://bostonandmainerailroad.redmansefarm.com/BM29000.htm

Earl Tuson



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Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds

Earl Tuson
 

Eric Hansmann asks,

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?
Well, not a gon-to-box conversion but similar: in 1929, the B&M rebuilt 100 steel gondolas into their 29000 series pulp racks
with two side doors. I have a bit of a writeup on them here:

http://bostonandmainerailroad.redmansefarm.com/BM29000.htm

Earl Tuson


Re: LNE Rolling Stock

golden1014
 

SAL rebuild 100 former composite gone into auto cars, the A class (first 50) and the A-1 class, (second 50) in 1936 and 1937.  I have an ICC report the composite tons that says by 1940 that they should be retired.  Seaboard used those composite gon frames to build the auto cars, and also wood racks, and newer gons, and other cars.

John Golden


Re: LNE Rolling Stock

John Sykes III
 

OK, more confusion.

One of the guys here sent me a nice photo of one of the LNE composite boxcars.  Photo was taken in early 1950's from the autos in the background.  Has an interesting round roof.  As best as I can decipher, it looks like it says BLT 6 - 14 and PA 5 - 23 on the side?????

Also, I am hitting a dead end on what I think is the last boxcars LNE purchased.  It is a small group of 8 boxcars following the PS1s in the number sequence.  Interior dimensions are the same as those listed for their PS1s but the external dimensions are slightly different.  Also, they are not in Ed Hawkins All-Time-List of 40' PS1 boxcars.  Any clues?

-- John


I have the following data pack... the topic is weathering

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

I'm cleaning out some stuff I no longer need.

I have the following data pack... the topic is weathering - covers flat car decks, but also for other freight cars and steam locos. Some articles written by members of this group.
 
This includes the following set of articles cut from magazines from my library

Distressing Plastic by Roseman
Realistic Weathering for Steam Locos by Pryke
Styrene as Weathered Wood by Minkwitz
Turning a Crummy Bobber into a Not-so-beautiful Bobber by Leone
Weathering Freight Cars by Darnaby
Detailing and Weathering Wood-sheathed Boxcars by Martin
Shadowing and highlighting by Martin
Simulated Wood Decks for Plastic Freight Cars by Schleicher
 
It is time for someone else to enjoy these.

Great reference on this topic.

It is free, I will put it in an envelope and mail it to you for the asking.

Email me OFF LIST at

CLAUS
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Claus Schlund
 


Re: other gondola to box car rebuilds - was LNE Rolling Stock

Eric Hansmann
 

Oops. I just re-read Bob Witt’s notes on the SAL automobile cars built from gondolas. Those seem to be a Depression Era project. But the LNE, WM, and W&LE conversions were not.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 


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In the W&LE and WM cases, I suspect the railroads were assessing their fleets and realizing the steel hoppers offered more efficient service and a better return on their investment. Their composite wood gondolas possibly needed more maintenance after a shorter service time. Both lines had aging box car fleets so why not convert excess cars to something that is needed.

 

And please note, all of the conversions so far noted were done several years before the Depression began.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 


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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: RE: [STMFC] other gondola to box car rebuilds - was LNE Rolling Stock

 



Add one more: the W&LE converted 400 wood gondolas in their 43000-43999 and 44000-44999 series into all-wood, double sheathed boxcars in the 22000-22399 series between 1917 and 1918. There were still 275 on the roster in 1930, but the group was don to only four cars by 1934, and they were gone by 1936.

 

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

 

 

On Friday, November 10, 2017, 8:13:36 AM CST, 'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

This is interesting as another regional railroad was also converting older gondolas to box cars in the mid-1920s, too.

The Western Maryland began converting fishbelly center sill, composite gondolas in the 40960-40971 and 40972-40973 series about 1926. Nearly 900 of these gondolas were listed in the 1919 ORER and only 13 listed in the 1927 ORER.

The 1943 ORER lists 805 box cars in the 23000-24999 series with 6-foot doors and an 8-foot interior height. These were double sheathed cars with an odd bolster to end sill distance. These cars were the dominant box car class on the WM in 1940, and largely unknown to many fans of the railroad.

 

How many other lines were rebuilding gondolas into box cars in the 1920s?

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

  

 

 

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