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Comped at Protype Rails...WI/FI, self parking

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

I talked with the hotel this morning.

First, WI/FI use is complimentary.

Second, there is no charge for self parking. 0$ None. If you are charged for
self parking, tell anyone at the Prototype Rails registration desk and they
[ including me ] will make sure the charge is removed.

Third, If you have some items for the ball room, you may use the northern
entry including temporarily parking your car near the northern entry, Note:
temporarily.



If you have any questions.



Mike Brock


Re: Interesting Shapeways HO Parts

gary laakso
 

Thank you Garth!  I ordered the slack adjustor and some loads for my gondolas being assembled. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Interesting Shapeways HO Parts

 

 

Friends,

I'm going through 48 pages of Shapeways HO parts: https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/trains?q=&sort=popularity&facet%5BpdcId%5D%5B0%5D=126&facet%5BisCustomizable%5D=0&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmin%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmax%5D=2500&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bfrom%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bto%5D=2500&s=0#more-products . Lots of interesting U.S. stuff here, mostly locomotives and loco parts. There appears to be some duplication.

I did spot some neat freight car parts:

Van Doren ends: https://www.shapeways.com/product/TLDPP59JS/van-dorn-revised-ho-scale-corrected-3-27-cm-wide?optionId=62203156&li=marketplace

Helium tank car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/LW9LLSR2D/helium-acf-with-roof-support?optionId=64168446&li=marketplace

Floor for helium tank car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/AVW2DN5E8/helium-car-floor-without-kingpin?optionId=64168499&li=marketplace

Monon Rider Car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/K9X6LNPUU/ho-scale-monon-rider-car?optionId=13244308&li=marketplace

CN, GT, GTW cupola: https://www.shapeways.com/product/3FJNSJHC8/cn-gt-gtw-cupola-ho-scale?optionId=58161382&li=marketplace

CN double-sheathed caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/5759C3SAF/cnr-center-cupola-wooden-caboose-ho-scale?optionId=57854412&li=marketplace

L&N double-sheathed caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/RDCNS9CWJ/ho-little-woody-l-n-caboose?optionId=60201359&li=marketplace

Brake regulator/slack adjuster: https://www.shapeways.com/product/CLN3G7UA4/ho-brake-regulator-slack-adjuster-kit?optionId=62598313&li=marketplace

Automobile frames: https://www.shapeways.com/product/QTK24LXZY/automobile-frames-hoscale?optionId=5097306&li=marketplace

More auto frames (proto photo of PRR gon): https://www.shapeways.com/product/NCP6HXXLQ/auto-frames-for-gondola-hoscale?optionId=40931680&li=marketplace

Tardis (couldn't resist this): https://www.shapeways.com/product/E6AY6AG24/bdho-0002-tardis-1-87-scale?optionId=61166301&li=marketplace

SP C-40-3 caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/MGSDD35JK/southern-pacific-c-40-3-caboose-modernized-ho?optionId=62306126&li=marketplace


I only got to page 24. Now my sweetheart wants the computer.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Southern Car and Foundry

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Mike, Jon emailed me back and we are good.  Thanks for your offer to help. See you next month.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:36 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hi, Fenton,

Jon Cagle [ a few yrs ago ]:

407-321-7332 or 407 389-3100.

I’ll try to contact him tomorrow.

Mike Brock

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:19 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Southern Car and Foundry

I need help. Does anyone have Jon Cagle's phone number from Southern Car and Foundry. I need to buy a replacement part and was hoping to have the car ready for Cocoa. I've tried his contact email from this web site but haven't heard back.

Thanks

Fenton Wells






--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Prototype Rails

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Remember that you may also be entitled to senior discounts (age varies, sometimes as low as 55), AAA discounts, or discounts for veterans/active duty military. These are usually only going to be given if you remember to ask. I suspect that with a special rate for an event, these don't apply, but it doesn't hurt to politely inquire.

My sweetheart, whose mother was a chief housekeeper at a hotel, and who herself worked briefly as a hotel maid, always leaves an envelope with a nice tip for the housekeeping staff. They work hard, and often don't get paid much for their labor.

We frequently attend a large re-enactment event in another state and have used the same hotel every year. We chat with the desk staff (when they aren't too busy), answer their questions about our costumes and gear, and generally make friends with them. We also remember to thank them for our stay, and compliment them on any evaluations. Staff members really appreciate being treated as real people. Having worked in retail many times in my life, I can attest that being treated this way can make someone's work much more pleasant (yes, I've had many rude customers, but many more truly nice folks).

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 11/29/17 8:01 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

The good news is that these things are fix-able.  If they do try to charge you, let Mike Brock know and he’ll ensure they take care of it.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’18

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Rails

 

 

They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best.

 

Bill Welch



Re: Prototype Rails

Mikebrock
 

Guys,

There are a few issues regarding the hotel that I will respond to tomorrow morning including comp items like parking.

I will also note that we will increase the number of rooms in our group…particularly on Jan 4…so you will be able to get a room. Let me know if you cannot get a room.



Mike Brock







From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Prototype Rails







________________________________________________________________________

4.2. Re: Prototype Rails

Posted by: fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com lnbill

Date: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:22 pm ((PST))



They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best.



Bill Welch





*****************************************************************



Bill,

As a one who is in his 3rd Decade in the hospitality business, I don't appreciate your little comment.



We ARE in the the hospitality business, and we try to take care of all of guests, even the few who treat us like crap (had three of those yesterday, and one so far today), to the best of our ability.



Having worked at various properties ranging from the El Tovar at the Grand Canyon to my present position at a 64 room property, I've rarely seen anyone deliberately cheat our guests. I cannot say the same of a small segment of our guests however. We just at one who demanded a compete refund because, allegedly, we didn't have tea available at 3am, and no, they didn't bother to ask our Night Auditor for any - not that we've EVER been out of tea! They felt a complete refund was the only satisfaction that would remedy such a horrendous breach of guest service!



Dealing with so many people, one gets used to saying the same thing to attempt to cover all bases, and all too often the cry of "You NEVER told me THAT!" is heard. So since parking is normally a charge at properties like CB, and a couple of ones I worked at, it's perfectly natural for one to mention that. I catch myself saying Room and TAX when dealing with a person who is exempt from taxes. It just rolls off of ones tongue, sorry, we are only human, even when we're not treated as such.



One other thing, occasionally one department or another might have a miscommunication or certain information, such as comp parking and WiFi, might not, for many reasons, may not make it to say, the reservation department, or Front Desk from the sale and catering people (as an example). Likewise, as at our property, things like WiFi AUTOMATICALLY post, and the Front Desk must manually adjust those charges. Occasionally we miss one, but we're always happy to take care of it when it's brought to our attention. Needless to say, generally a simple comment or inquiry to the Reservation Agent or Front Desk staff will take care of things. If they don't have that information, it's usually a quick call to the Sale or Catering Rep and it's all taken care of.



Actually, I have experienced more cases where members of an organization have been misinformed that parking or certain other amenities are to be comp'd when they are not. For instance, a group block of 175 rooms is required (I am making up numbers here as an example) to trigger certain amenities, but the group only books 12 rooms. No where near the required level! So no amenities.



I would also remind members of the group, there is NO such thing as free! Parking, breakfast, WiFi, meeting rooms, A/V, whatever. The venues cover those costs by the revenues generated by the group via rooms, meals and bar revenues (minimal at best on that one, surprisingly enough).



Sorry, but as a long time Hospitality Professional, I had to reply to your comment.



Respectually,



Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah



P.S. While we do not have any Steam Era Freight Cars at our property, we used to have a steam era diesel . . . well, a photo of a former P&G Alco Switcher that's on the the Whitewater tourist line in Indiana, IIRC. We used to, now it's hanging in my apartment!



P.P.S. Perhaps one day I'll make it to this event. It sounds great!


Re: Southern Car and Foundry

Mikebrock
 

Hi, Fenton,



Jon Cagle [ a few yrs ago ]:

407-321-7332 or 407 389-3100.

I’ll try to contact him tomorrow.



Mike Brock





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 7:19 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Southern Car and Foundry





I need help. Does anyone have Jon Cagle's phone number from Southern Car and Foundry. I need to buy a replacement part and was hoping to have the car ready for Cocoa. I've tried his contact email from this web site but haven't heard back.

Thanks

Fenton Wells







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Prototype Rails

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Brian,



The angst about paying for parking is largely because not so long ago, three or four years, parking at the Cocoa Beach hotel was complimentary. That’s no longer so. Those of us who’ve been attending Prototype Rails for a long time have long memories.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Prototype Rails







________________________________________________________________________

4.2. Re: Prototype Rails

Posted by: fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com lnbill

Date: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:22 pm ((PST))



They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best.



Bill Welch





*****************************************************************



Bill,

As a one who is in his 3rd Decade in the hospitality business, I don't appreciate your little comment.



We ARE in the the hospitality business, and we try to take care of all of guests, even the few who treat us like crap (had three of those yesterday, and one so far today), to the best of our ability.



Having worked at various properties ranging from the El Tovar at the Grand Canyon to my present position at a 64 room property, I've rarely seen anyone deliberately cheat our guests. I cannot say the same of a small segment of our guests however. We just at one who demanded a compete refund because, allegedly, we didn't have tea available at 3am, and no, they didn't bother to ask our Night Auditor for any - not that we've EVER been out of tea! They felt a complete refund was the only satisfaction that would remedy such a horrendous breach of guest service!



Dealing with so many people, one gets used to saying the same thing to attempt to cover all bases, and all too often the cry of "You NEVER told me THAT!" is heard. So since parking is normally a charge at properties like CB, and a couple of ones I worked at, it's perfectly natural for one to mention that. I catch myself saying Room and TAX when dealing with a person who is exempt from taxes. It just rolls off of ones tongue, sorry, we are only human, even when we're not treated as such.



One other thing, occasionally one department or another might have a miscommunication or certain information, such as comp parking and WiFi, might not, for many reasons, may not make it to say, the reservation department, or Front Desk from the sale and catering people (as an example). Likewise, as at our property, things like WiFi AUTOMATICALLY post, and the Front Desk must manually adjust those charges. Occasionally we miss one, but we're always happy to take care of it when it's brought to our attention. Needless to say, generally a simple comment or inquiry to the Reservation Agent or Front Desk staff will take care of things. If they don't have that information, it's usually a quick call to the Sale or Catering Rep and it's all taken care of.



Actually, I have experienced more cases where members of an organization have been misinformed that parking or certain other amenities are to be comp'd when they are not. For instance, a group block of 175 rooms is required (I am making up numbers here as an example) to trigger certain amenities, but the group only books 12 rooms. No where near the required level! So no amenities.



I would also remind members of the group, there is NO such thing as free! Parking, breakfast, WiFi, meeting rooms, A/V, whatever. The venues cover those costs by the revenues generated by the group via rooms, meals and bar revenues (minimal at best on that one, surprisingly enough).



Sorry, but as a long time Hospitality Professional, I had to reply to your comment.



Respectually,



Brian R. Termunde

Midvale, Utah



P.S. While we do not have any Steam Era Freight Cars at our property, we used to have a steam era diesel . . . well, a photo of a former P&G Alco Switcher that's on the the Whitewater tourist line in Indiana, IIRC. We used to, now it's hanging in my apartment!



P.P.S. Perhaps one day I'll make it to this event. It sounds great!







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Prototype Rails

Brian Termunde
 


________________________________________________________________________
4.2. Re: Prototype Rails
Posted by: fgexbill@... lnbill
Date: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:22 pm ((PST))

They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best. 

Bill Welch 


*****************************************************************

Bill,
As a one who is in his 3rd Decade in the hospitality business, I don't appreciate your little comment.

We ARE in the the hospitality business, and we try to take care of all of guests, even the few who treat us like crap (had three of those yesterday, and one so far today), to the best of our ability.

Having worked at various properties ranging from the El Tovar at the Grand Canyon to my present position at a 64 room property, I've rarely seen anyone deliberately cheat our guests. I cannot say the same of a small segment of our guests however. We just at one who demanded a compete refund because, allegedly, we didn't have tea available at 3am, and no, they didn't bother to ask our Night Auditor for any - not that we've EVER been out of tea! They felt a complete refund was the only satisfaction that would remedy such a horrendous breach of guest service!  

Dealing with so many people, one gets used to saying the same thing to attempt to cover all bases, and all too often the cry of "You NEVER told me THAT!" is heard. So since parking is normally a charge at properties like CB, and a couple of ones I worked at, it's perfectly natural for one to mention that. I catch myself saying Room and TAX when dealing with a person who is exempt from taxes. It just rolls off of ones tongue, sorry, we are only human, even when we're not treated as such.

One other thing, occasionally one department or another might have a miscommunication or certain information, such as comp parking and WiFi, might not, for many reasons, may not make it to say, the reservation department, or Front Desk from the sale and catering people (as an example). Likewise, as at our property, things like WiFi AUTOMATICALLY post, and the Front Desk must manually adjust those charges. Occasionally we miss one, but we're always happy to take care of it when it's brought to our attention. Needless to say, generally a simple comment or inquiry to the Reservation Agent or Front Desk staff will take care of things. If they don't have that information, it's usually a quick call to the Sale or Catering Rep and it's all taken care of.

Actually, I have experienced more cases where members of an organization have been misinformed that parking or certain other amenities are to be comp'd when they are not. For instance, a group block of 175 rooms is required (I am making up numbers here as an example) to trigger certain amenities, but the group only books 12 rooms. No where near the required level! So no amenities.

I would also remind members of the group, there is NO such thing as free! Parking, breakfast, WiFi, meeting rooms, A/V, whatever. The venues cover those costs by the revenues generated by the group via rooms, meals and bar revenues (minimal at best on that one, surprisingly enough).

Sorry, but as a long time Hospitality Professional, I had to reply to your comment.

Respectually,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

P.S. While we do not have any Steam Era Freight Cars at our property, we used to have a steam era diesel . . . well, a photo of a former P&G Alco Switcher that's on the the Whitewater tourist line in Indiana, IIRC. We used to, now it's hanging in my apartment!

P.P.S. Perhaps one day I'll make it to this event. It sounds great!


Interesting Shapeways HO Parts

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

I'm going through 48 pages of Shapeways HO parts: https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/trains?q=&sort=popularity&facet%5BpdcId%5D%5B0%5D=126&facet%5BisCustomizable%5D=0&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmin%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bmax%5D=2500&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bfrom%5D=1&facet%5Bprice%5D%5Bto%5D=2500&s=0#more-products . Lots of interesting U.S. stuff here, mostly locomotives and loco parts. There appears to be some duplication.

I did spot some neat freight car parts:

Van Doren ends: https://www.shapeways.com/product/TLDPP59JS/van-dorn-revised-ho-scale-corrected-3-27-cm-wide?optionId=62203156&li=marketplace

Helium tank car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/LW9LLSR2D/helium-acf-with-roof-support?optionId=64168446&li=marketplace

Floor for helium tank car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/AVW2DN5E8/helium-car-floor-without-kingpin?optionId=64168499&li=marketplace

Monon Rider Car: https://www.shapeways.com/product/K9X6LNPUU/ho-scale-monon-rider-car?optionId=13244308&li=marketplace

CN, GT, GTW cupola: https://www.shapeways.com/product/3FJNSJHC8/cn-gt-gtw-cupola-ho-scale?optionId=58161382&li=marketplace

CN double-sheathed caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/5759C3SAF/cnr-center-cupola-wooden-caboose-ho-scale?optionId=57854412&li=marketplace

L&N double-sheathed caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/RDCNS9CWJ/ho-little-woody-l-n-caboose?optionId=60201359&li=marketplace

Brake regulator/slack adjuster: https://www.shapeways.com/product/CLN3G7UA4/ho-brake-regulator-slack-adjuster-kit?optionId=62598313&li=marketplace

Automobile frames: https://www.shapeways.com/product/QTK24LXZY/automobile-frames-hoscale?optionId=5097306&li=marketplace

More auto frames (proto photo of PRR gon): https://www.shapeways.com/product/NCP6HXXLQ/auto-frames-for-gondola-hoscale?optionId=40931680&li=marketplace

Tardis (couldn't resist this): https://www.shapeways.com/product/E6AY6AG24/bdho-0002-tardis-1-87-scale?optionId=61166301&li=marketplace

SP C-40-3 caboose: https://www.shapeways.com/product/MGSDD35JK/southern-pacific-c-40-3-caboose-modernized-ho?optionId=62306126&li=marketplace


I only got to page 24. Now my sweetheart wants the computer.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Prototype Rails

Aley, Jeff A
 

The good news is that these things are fix-able.  If they do try to charge you, let Mike Brock know and he’ll ensure they take care of it.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman, PR’18

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Rails

 

 

They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best.

 

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails

Bill Welch
 

They may tell you there is a charge for Parking and WIFI. Remind them you are part of the group—AGAIN—and that those things are complimentary. Corporate America at it best.

Bill Welch


Re: Prototype Rails

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

When I made my Cocoa Beach room reservations today, the Hilton said the block of rooms is almost sold out. Procrastinators beware.

I may have been misled by a sales rep, but Mike knows the score.

See many of you in about 6 weeks.

ted


Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@sbcglobal.net
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used. HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).


Re: Dump cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Santa Fe inherited some 26’ 20 cubic yard by Western Wheeled Scraper built in 1910, 1912, and 1913 from the Orient and the CO&W.

They had another group of 100 30’ 20 yard WWS built in 1924 (all had 4 dump cylinders)

Another 100 30 yard built in 1924 by Clark Car Co (the W&R model)

100 35’ 30 cu. yard Magor built in 1928. (Also by W&R in HO brass)

They had no new ones until 1956 with the purchase of 50 35’ 30 cu yd. Magor. , 1958 25 more and 1959 15 more.

 

I have acquired one of the Clark W&R cars and seek more of that and the 1928 Magor at an affordable price.

Plans and lots of photos of the Magor are readily available and would make a good Shapeways project.

Overland produced a model of a Paccar dump car that I see from time to time in the $125-175 range. It closely resembles the Magor of 1956

The Walthers is a Difco, 50 yard, about 1964-65 best I can tell

Rio Grand Models did a 12 yard Western Wheeled Scraper model.

The Car Works did a brass Western 20 yard car which is possibly like the ones ATSF inherited – no photos are known to exist in ATSF paint.

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:12 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Dump cars

 

 

Bob,

 

Model Engineering Works used to produce a dump car. Here’s a photo. 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 


On Nov 26, 2017, at 6:27 AM, oandle@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

  W&R Enterprises made two types in brass that were available years ago, one was a Clark Car Co. 30 cu yd side dump ( I'm using it for B&O) and one was a Magor side dump (I'm using this one for AC&Y). The Car Works Co. also produced an all wood and all steel version of the Western 20 yd air dump in brass. Its been a long time since I've seen any of these cars offered on the secondary market. A zamac side dump was made in the 50's or 60's but the manufacturer escapes me and it was pretty crude by today's standards. It would be nice if one of the resin manufacturers would offer some of these cars.

Bob Weston

 


Re: Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

Dave Nelson
 

John, the Cal Railroad Museum (CSRM) library has several such maps covering Hayward to Martinez, inclusive. ALL of Richmond is included. You can order either digital or paper copies, the latter being more expensive both in media and shipping.  I now order digital copies sent via dropbox to get the least expensive methods.  I don’t recall the cost of the maps but I’d guess they’re in the $10-30 range.

 

The SF map I obtained (via a member of the Espee list) cost me $30.

 

Dave Nelson

SP Cal-P, Oakland-Sacramento 1950 in V-Scale/Open Rails (12 inches to the foot).

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 2:15 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

 




Speaking of ephemera collections, anyone who possesses a Santa Fe or SP shippers guide, especially from the 40's, would you be so kind as to share.  It is a great need for us WWII western modelers.

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736

 


From: "Ted Schnepf railsunl@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
! To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

 

 

Hi Garth,

Shippers guides were used by almost all railroad traffic departments as a way of increasing on line and off line carloads and industrial development.  As a traffic department advertising brochure, they were printed by the hundreds and thousands.

We are all fortunate that some copies have survived and can be used for historical research and prototype freight car way billing.  On the WP issue there are at least two originals and maybe more in ephemera collections.

Ted

At 03:09 AM 11/24/2017, you wrote:

John and Friends,

The original of this document is held by the California State Railroad Museum, which photocopied the book for me a number of years ago. It was $60 or so well spent, as it is a treasure to which I have referred many times.

Recently I saw reproductions of CIRCULAR 167-E listed for sale at http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html . While I am not offering an endorsement or criticism of Rail Sun Unlimited, and think we should support the CSRM, the price is very attractive.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used.  HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).

 

alt

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 





Cocoa Beach Ride from Orlando and back

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

I have a rental car reserved from Orlando Airport to get to Cocoa Beach

and back and would be happy to offer a ride to one or two passengers
either or both ways.

I arrive at Orlando on Thursday at 4z;15 PM (Southwest #6039 from Denver).

I need to be back at the airport by noon on Sunday (I could be persuaded
to get there a little earlier.)

Spen Kellogg


Southern Car and Foundry

O Fenton Wells
 

I need help.  Does anyone have Jon Cagle's phone number from Southern Car and Foundry.  I need to buy a replacement part and was hoping to have the car ready for Cocoa.  I've tried his contact email from this web site but haven't heard back.

Thanks

Fenton Wells



Re: Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

John Barry
 

Speaking of ephemera collections, anyone who possesses a Santa Fe or SP shippers guide, especially from the 40's, would you be so kind as to share.  It is a great need for us WWII western modelers.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Ted Schnepf railsunl@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

 
Hi Garth,

Shippers guides were used by almost all railroad traffic departments as a way of increasing on line and off line carloads and industrial development.  As a traffic department advertising brochure, they were printed by the hundreds and thousands.

We are all fortunate that some copies have survived and can be used for historical research and prototype freight car way billing.  On the WP issue there are at least two originals and maybe more in ephemera collections.

Ted

At 03:09 AM 11/24/2017, you wrote:


John and Friends,

The original of this document is held by the California State Railroad Museum, which photocopied the book for me a number of years ago. It was $60 or so well spent, as it is a treasure to which I have referred many times.

Recently I saw reproductions of CIRCULAR 167-E listed for sale at http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html . While I am not offering an endorsement or criticism of Rail Sun Unlimited, and think we should support the CSRM, the price is very attractive.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
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Re: Index to 1948 Industry Map of San Francisco

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Garth,

Shippers guides were used by almost all railroad traffic departments as a way of increasing on line and off line carloads and industrial development.  As a traffic department advertising brochure, they were printed by the hundreds and thousands.

We are all fortunate that some copies have survived and can be used for historical research and prototype freight car way billing.  On the WP issue there are at least two originals and maybe more in ephemera collections.

Ted

At 03:09 AM 11/24/2017, you wrote:


John and Friends,

The original of this document is held by the California State Railroad Museum, which photocopied the book for me a number of years ago. It was $60 or so well spent, as it is a treasure to which I have referred many times.

Recently I saw reproductions of CIRCULAR 167-E listed for sale at http://railsunlimited.ribbonrail.com/Books/shippers.html . While I am not offering an endorsement or criticism of Rail Sun Unlimited, and think we should support the CSRM, the price is very attractive.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...
847-697-5353
126 Will Scarlet
Elgin, Ill. 60120
http://RailsUnlimited.ribbonrail.com/

Model Railroad Sales and Service with
a personal touch.
Books new and used.  HO and O scales.
DCC supplies. O scale urethane cars.
Photos and darkroom services.
Checks, cash (0%) or credit (secure server at web site 5% added).


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Re: Dump cars

Randy Hees
 

The WP cars were purchased used from "6 Companies" who purchased them (a mix of used and new cars) for construction of Hoover Dam. 

There are a couple surviving, one at Portola, the second, at the Niles Canyon Railroad, but was recently donated to the Nevada State Railroad Museum at Boulder City...

Randy Hees
Director, Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City


Re: Dump cars

Garth Groff or Sally Sanford <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Here's a link to a drawing of the WP version of the Western Wheeled Scraper dump car: https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/mow/1930/11001-11040.php . WP also owned an earlier type similar to to the previously mentioned MEW model: https://www.wplives.com/diagrams/mow/1930/39-41.php .

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff



On 11/28/17 9:31 AM, meaufderheide@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
I don't think this model was mentioned in the earlier posts about Shapeways:


This represents a Western Wheeled Scraper 30 yard model from about 1928.  According to Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 26 these were owned by the Monon, RI, D&SL, & Alaska RR with similar 30 yard models owned by WP, Montour and PM.   Shortened, 20 yard models of the same basic design were owned by MP, IC and MILW.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
 

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