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Re: Data for Wine Commodity Flows

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Charles,
 
While I have no interest nor intention to model wine movements, the blog posts and your approach to the analysis were indeed a very interesting read – thanks!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

From: cnw1045@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 6:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Data for Wine Commodity Flows
 


Hello Group,


Tony Thompson's talk at RPM Chicagoland this last October got me interested in rail shipments of wine.  I've compiled a bunch of data, and am documenting the wine commodity flow in the late steam era (1950 through 1960) in a series of blog posts, trying to take the topic from raw prototype data to completing a reasonable replica of this traffic flow on my layout setting.  Those interested can find the first two parts here:


http://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-1.html

 

and

 

http://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-2.html

 

Part 1 discusses the national statistics (car types, weights, and line haul distances), and Part 2 discusses the state-to-state distributions. 

 

Regards,

 

Charles Hostetler

Washington Ill.


Re: Data for Wine Commodity Flows

Tim O'Connor
 

Charles

Wonderful stuff - one major oddity however. You wrote

  "In 1957 there were about 62.7 million carloads reported by the Class 1
   carriers in the FCS."

Carloadings in the 1950's were approximately "30 million loads per year"
and were steadily trending downwards. (Higher at the beginning of the decade
than at the end.)
What is the FCS and why the huge variance with car load
statistics of the AAR? Or is it a multi-year statistic?

Tim O'Connor





Tony Thompson's talk at RPM Chicagoland this last October got me interested in rail shipments of wine.  I've compiled a bunch of data, and am documenting the wine commodity flow in the late steam era (1950 through 1960) in a series of blog posts, trying to take the topic from raw prototype data to completing a reasonable replica of this traffic flow on my layout setting.  Those interested can find the first two parts here:

http://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-1.html

and

http ://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-2.html

Part 1 discusses the national statistics (car types, weights, and line haul distances), and Part 2 discusses the state-to-state distributions.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler
Washington Ill.

Data for Wine Commodity Flows

Charles Hostetler
 

Hello Group,


Tony Thompson's talk at RPM Chicagoland this last October got me interested in rail shipments of wine.  I've compiled a bunch of data, and am documenting the wine commodity flow in the late steam era (1950 through 1960) in a series of blog posts, trying to take the topic from raw prototype data to completing a reasonable replica of this traffic flow on my layout setting.  Those interested can find the first two parts here:


http://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-1.html


and


http://cnwmodeling1957.typepad.com/cnwmodeling/2017/12/commodity-flows-in-the-late-steam-era-wine-part-2.html


Part 1 discusses the national statistics (car types, weights, and line haul distances), and Part 2 discusses the state-to-state distributions.  


Regards,


Charles Hostetler

Washington Ill.


Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Tim O'Connor
 


exceedingly uncommon... first time I've ever seen one on a forty foot
single door box car.

Tim O'Connor




This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:
http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi
Was this an uncommon design?
Bob Chaparro

Prototype Rails 2018 Clinic Descriptions

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

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               General Info about Prototype Rails:

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Regards,

 

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P.S. Clinic Descriptions are subject to change / revision.

 

 

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <rwitt_2000@...> wrote :

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".

You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt
====================

Yeah, actually, you can. Not Soo Line. Anyway, the top serif of the U in Southern just shows in the image.

Dennis Storzek

Re: UTLX 55136 and GATX 3176

Tim O'Connor
 


Not only the cut lever, but that's a very interesting bracket for the
brake wheel "stem winder" as well! Very cool details to add to a tank car model.

Tim O'Connor

http://imagescn.techno-science.ca/people/index_choice.cfm?id=129&photoid=-1011884325


Thanks for this additional photo.  I had not noticed the Carmer cut lever on the GATX car in the earlier photo.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA

Re: Rapido's NP Boxcar Update - reserving a single car vs a four-pack.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I asked the question below, and found the answer in a direct email to Rapido. You can reserve a single car by emailing them, or perhaps by calling them.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 2:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Rapido's NP Boxcar Update





Has anybody figured out how to order single cars? I could only sign up for four-packs. I want a couple of cars, maybe three, but not all the same era.

Schuyler

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 2:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Rapido's NP Boxcar Update

The Rapido cars are from the 10000-13999 series with 7/8 Murphy ribbed ends. The last 500 cars in the series, 14000-14499, had 3/5 Dreadnaught ends. And NP changed the number of grab irons on the side of the last series to 7 from the 6 on the earlier series. I am very doubtful that the ends on the Rapido car will be easy to remove for a conversion to the dreadnaught series of boxcars.

Gary Laakso

North west of Mike Brock

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Rapido's NP Boxcar Update

I wonder if any NP experts have thought about other cars that could be modelled by modifying these cars? Do these cars have that potential?

Rob

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Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 3:45 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Rapido's NP Boxcar Update

Here is the latest info from their website: https://rapidotrains.com/ho-np-boxcar/

Bill Welch

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Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Tony Thompson
 

Lots of people, including SP, bought the Enterprise GS gondola design.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

rwitt_2000
 

I found another image on Fallen Flags site which shows the underframe well, but not the ends.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp04303lba.jpg

Bob Witt

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Fair comment.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 5:10 pm, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".


You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

rwitt_2000
 

Paul Doggett wrote "Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola".

You can tell from the side sill and sill step that it's a Southern Pacific GS?

How about the Soo Line?

Bob Witt

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Ray Breyer
 

It's a rebuild double sheathed car actually; the NKP only ever owned 1,200 single sheathed cars (1,000 Fowlers and 200 war emergency cars).

Auto boxcars with end doors aren't rare. Ones with single side doors are.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 3:24:41 AM CST, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:




Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/




Re: UTLX 55136 and GATX 3176

Michael Gross
 

Thanks for this additional photo.  I had not noticed the Carmer cut lever on the GATX car in the earlier photo.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA





Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Yes I have just found the one I have built.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 


On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:33, abrown@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Sunshine kit #64.8.

From Sunshine PDS #64A: NKP 4300-4399 were rebuilt from double-sheathed boxcars in 1947-48 as NKP 25000-25099; the end door was to facilitate loading racks of auto parts. They were renumbered NKP 4300-4399 in 1949 on the occasion of the W&LE lease (I think because W&LE had cars in the 25000 series).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

al_brown03
 

Sunshine kit #64.8.

From Sunshine PDS #64A: NKP 4300-4399 were rebuilt from double-sheathed boxcars in 1947-48 as NKP 25000-25099; the end door was to facilitate loading racks of auto parts. They were renumbered NKP 4300-4399 in 1949 on the occasion of the W&LE lease (I think because W&LE had cars in the 25000 series).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Paul Doggett <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

I am pretty sure Sunshine did a model of the NKP car. Also notice the car to it’s right is an SP GS gondola.

Paul Doggett UK 🇬🇧 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017, 9:24 am, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/


Re: NKP 4321: Uncommon Or Not?

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bob,

40' end-door auto cars were not all that common, though certainly not rare. I'm not an NKP maven, but I would suggest from the side sill treatment and the fishbelly underframe that this car is a rebuilt single-sheathed car. Perhaps someone else can confirm this.

Look at the car number though: 4321!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/16/17 9:14 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

This photo, from Along the Right of Way blog, shows a forty-foot single door boxcar with end doors:

 

http://thecourier.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834ca83d669e2019b0395de91970c-pi

 

Was this an uncommon design?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

Along the Right of Way blog: http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/


Re: Cocoa Beach Prototype Rails 2018 is Loaded w/Freight Car Content

Horton Monroe <homonroe@...>
 

Bill,

Well, I’ll be. I taught in Tullahoma for 3 years, back in the late 60’s.  We’ll have to compare notes…IF you were around then…ha.

Horton


On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:09 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Excellent Horton. BTW I grew in Tullahoma, graduated from MTSU and much of my work life was in Nashville including 11 years as a Staff Photographer for the The TENNESSEAN. Many friends there. There will be other MT's there.


That is where I started building Freight Car models.

Bill Welch


Re: Painting Truck Frames

Guy Wilber
 

 Bob asked:

“Was the practice of painting truck frames ever very common?”

“Was that practice ever prohibited?”

In 1947 The General Committee of The AAR’s Mechanical Division approved the Arbitration Committee’s recommendation that the use of heavy bodied asphaltic paints used on truck side frames and bolsters be prohibited.

Accordingly, Interchange Rule 3, Section (t) Paragraph (3-e) was revised as such:

New or secondhand truck sides and truck bolsters must not be painted with heavy asphaltic, tar or cement base paint:  However, such parts may be painted with light bodied paint that will not prevent detection of flaws or cracks in ordinary inspection.  Car wheels must not be painted.

Note — Existing truck sides and bolsters painted with heavy base paint, or having accumulation of rust scale, must have such paint and scale removed when cars receive general repairs.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

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