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Re: MKT box car (CZ-1588)

Richard Townsend
 

Actually, after some license plate research I am coming around to the idea that it is a Texas license plate.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MKT box car (CZ-1588)

 
Richard Townsend wrote:
"I was wondering if it had something to do with the California Zephyr ("CZ") with the "1588" being essentially instructions on placement or routing in accordance with specifications for operation of the train regarding routing and delivery of mail and express."

I'm skeptical as I haven't come across any photos of the CZ handling blocks of mail and express.


Ben Hom


Re: MKT box car (CZ-1588)

Benjamin Hom
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
"I was wondering if it had something to do with the California Zephyr ("CZ") with the "1588" being essentially instructions on placement or routing in accordance with specifications for operation of the train regarding routing and delivery of mail and express."

I'm skeptical as I haven't come across any photos of the CZ handling blocks of mail and express.


Ben Hom


Re: MKT box car

Michael Gross
 

As the car appears to have been reweighed at Katy's Ray Yard in November of 1964, Bill Keene’s dates are looking pretty good.

Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA



Re: Refrigerator Car: PFE X380

Tim O'Connor
 


I didn't respond to Bob's post, but I agree with Tony - the first digit is "2" not "X"

Tim O'Connor


Roger Hinman wrote:
X generally means work equipment; perhaps is being used for ice storage.

    But PFE did not use "X" this way, not in any company rosterI have seen, even for cars assigned to ice service (they kept their revenue numbers), Any work usage of such a car would not be PFE's problem, but of SP or UP. And for this 1920 report, the photo was taken no later than 1920, likely earlier, and in 1920 the R-30-2 cars were only 14 years old, by no means at the end of their lives. I continue to doubt the character is an "X."

Tony Thompson


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

Bob Chapman
 


Ted Culotta writes: Here's the deal on the decals. First off, I will gladly take all my lumps on this. (snip)


Ted --

No lumps, but a personal thanks to you, Mike, Jason, Frank, Ron, and the many others who made the CGW project possible. Free custom kits at a RPM meet are an appreciated extra, involving more donated time and cost than most of us would imagine.

Re the decals, I agree that it's better to have them "right" rather than "fast". I'm sure my model shippers can make do in the meantime with boxcars from MILW, ATSF, or maybe even a B&O M-15k. 

Regards,
Bob Chapman 


Re: MKT box car (CZ-1588)

Richard Townsend
 

I was wondering if it had something to do with the California Zephyr ("CZ") with the "1588" being essentially instructions on placement or routing in accordance with specifications for operation of the train regarding routing and delivery of mail and express.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Dec 20, 2017 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MKT box car (CZ-1588)

 
And what does "CZ-1588" on the placard board stand for?

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

Michael Gross
 

Ted:  I know I am not alone in expressing my thanks and your dedication to accuracy.  With scores of unfinished kits in my stash, I have plenty to do, so one tardy set of decals will not wreck my holiday.

Don’t let it wreck yours.

Merry Christmas wishes!

Michael


Re: MKT box car (CZ-1588)

tjcataldo
 

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 10:06 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <
STMFC@...> wrote:



And what does "CZ-1588" on the placard board stand for?


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




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*Thomas j Cataldo*


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

skibbs4
 

Ted-

I'd be happy to do the mail merge.  Assuming you're using Avery labels, can you send me the product number so I can pull a template?

Thanks for the update,
Mike Skibbe

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 9:51 PM, speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Here's the deal on the decals. First off, I will gladly take all my lumps on this. 


However, I also want to provide a measure of defense or cover since it's no secret that I am the one who is the holdup and overtly or implicitly, I am the one who is being taken to task here. I was approached to print the decals for this year's RPM on Aug. 28. That's less than two months before the event. I said yes. I committed to do it and I own that. No excuses. It's not Mike's fault or anyone on his team.

I looked at the artwork and noticed many things that almost all of you would want were missing (reweigh, repack, brake test, and paint stencils, with the exception one set of NEW stencils for only one of the as-built groups of cars). In addition, the two groups of cars had different stenciling as built, which was not incorporated. Being who I am (and this was my big mistake), I redid all the artwork.

For printing, I don't just send one set of artwork to be printed; I have to group multiple projects to fill the sheet size that the printer uses, so I had t gong these with a few other projects. To get everything done, it was tight and it would have been regardless of whether I had redone the artwork. The decals arrived from the printer the Monday after Naperville. I agreed that I would mail them. That required a lot of envelopes, stamps, poly sleeves for the decals, cardstock to provide a little backbone for the decals in the envelopes as well as a place to print a guide to the decals, plus the time to stuff all of this into envelopes. I was provided with an Excel sheet with all of the relevant mailing information. I had progressively done most of the stuffing (my son helped at the end of the that process).

I have done some mailing labels by doing copy, paste, repeat. I don't know what the issue is, but I cannot get the data to mail merge into a label template, using either Word or Pages. I have tried at least 20 different ways with no success. I am honestly trying.

As a footnote, in time and money, I am now well over a $1,000 into this. I realize that many of you won't care about that. You just want your decals. However, I am doing all of this with no expectation of compensation. I care about the artwork and was trying to get something exactly right and help out with RPMs.

Won't happen again.

You will all get your decals.

P.S. the Shake and Take decals will be there at the event. 

My apologies if I have offended anyone. Just trying to give a little perspective.

Sorry that people don't yet have their decals. I'll get it finished over the holidays, with or without a mail merge solution.

Mike and Jeff - sorry for the bandwidth.

Cheers,
Ted Culotta



Holidays

Brent Greer
 

I know it's a few days early (or late, for those of us in the Hanukkah crowd - I celebrate everything), but I wanted to take a moment to thank each of you for enriching my life, enhancing my knowledge, and improving my modeling through your postings in these groups. 

With that in mind, I wish each of you a Happy Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Yuletide, Winter Solstice,  and Festivus (for the rest of us)!

Happy Holidays and may the New Year bring you health, peace, happiness, and model trains.

Brent

________________________________
Dr. J. Brent Greer


Re: 1926 B&O Freight car fleet summary

Fran Giacoma
 

Thanks Eric. Even though my B&O layout is set 30 years later, this will be helpful, especially the great pictures. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Fran Giacoma


1926 B&O Freight car fleet summary

Eric Hansmann
 

The first part of a B&O freight car fleet summary is now available. The focus is on the 1926 fleet and this first installment covers box, automobile, and ventilated cars. Additional installments will be posted in the New Year. Enjoy!

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2017/12/21/1926-bo-freight-car-fleet/


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


Re: MKT box car

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

I am not sure it is a license plate, but will make a few comments.

Beginning in 1963 into the 1980s CZ was the County Code for Cherokee County, Oklahoma. 

Not knowing the date of the photo, it appears to be sometime into the future for this group, but knowing that the car is definitely from the steam era, I will add the following info about the color of the plate. If indeed it is an automobile license plate. 

1964 plate was embossed black numbers on a white background. 
1966 was the same as 1964.
1967 plate was embossed red numbers on a white background. 
1970 plate was embossed green numbers on a white plate.
1971 was same as 1967.
1972 was same as 1970.
1973 was same as 1967.
Dates not mentioned had plate design that does not match the photo. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Bob Chaparro asked:

   And what does "CZ-1588" on the placard board stand for?


It looks to me like somebody tacked an old license plate to the placard board.

Idle hands...


Jack Mullen




Re: MKT box car

Jack Mullen
 

Bob Chaparro asked:

   And what does "CZ-1588" on the placard board stand for?


It looks to me like somebody tacked an old license plate to the placard board.

Idle hands...


Jack Mullen




Re: MKT box car (CZ-1588)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

And what does "CZ-1588" on the placard board stand for?


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted, if it makes you feel any better, I was

(1) not worried or anxious
(2) very patiently waiting and
(3) very appreciative of your dedication to accuracy!

Clearly we all need to give ourselves more time to get things done right.
And be understanding when things take longer than hoped. So far in my 60
or so years with model trains, everything always takes longer than I wish.

:-)

Here's the deal on the decals. First off, I will gladly take all my lumps on this.

However, I also want to provide a measure of defense or cover since it's no secret that I am the one who is the holdup and overtly or implicitly, I am the one who is being taken to task here. I was approached to print the decals for this year's RPM on Aug. 28. That's less than two months before the event. I said yes. I committed to do it and I own that. No excuses. It's not Mike's fault or anyone on his team.

I looked at the artwork and noticed many things that almost all of you would want were missing (reweigh, repack, brake test, and paint stencils, with the exception one set of NEW stencils for only one of the as-built groups of cars). In addition, the two groups of cars had different stenciling as built, which was not incorporated. Being who I am (and this was my big mistake), I redid all the artwork.

For printing, I don't just send one set of artwork to be printed; I have to group multiple projects to fill the sheet size that the printer uses, so I had t gong these with a few other projects. To get everything done, it was tight and it would have been regardless of whether I had redone the artwork. The decals arrived from the printer the Monday after Naperville. I agreed that I would mail them. That required a lot of envelopes, stamps, poly sleeves for the decals, cardstock to provide a little backbone for the decals in the envelopes as well as a place to print a guide to the decals, plus the time to stuff all of this into envelopes. I was provided with an Excel sheet with all of the relevant mailing information. I had progressively done most of the stuffing (my son helped at the end of the that process).

I have done some mailing labels by doing copy, paste, repeat. I don't know what the issue is, but I cannot get the data to mail merge into a label template, using either Word or Pages. I have tried at least 20 different ways with no success. I am honestly trying.

As a footnote, in time and money, I am now well over a $1,000 into this. I realize that many of you won't care about that. You just want your decals. However, I am doing all of this with no expectation of compensation. I care about the artwork and was trying to get something exactly right and help out with RPMs.

Won't happen again.

You will all get your decals.

P.S. the Shake and Take decals will be there at the event.

My apologies if I have offended anyone. Just trying to give a little perspective.

Sorry that people don't yet have their decals. I'll get it finished over the holidays, with or without a mail merge solution.

Mike and Jeff - sorry for the bandwidth.

Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

Ted Culotta
 

Here's the deal on the decals. First off, I will gladly take all my lumps on this. 

However, I also want to provide a measure of defense or cover since it's no secret that I am the one who is the holdup and overtly or implicitly, I am the one who is being taken to task here. I was approached to print the decals for this year's RPM on Aug. 28. That's less than two months before the event. I said yes. I committed to do it and I own that. No excuses. It's not Mike's fault or anyone on his team.

I looked at the artwork and noticed many things that almost all of you would want were missing (reweigh, repack, brake test, and paint stencils, with the exception one set of NEW stencils for only one of the as-built groups of cars). In addition, the two groups of cars had different stenciling as built, which was not incorporated. Being who I am (and this was my big mistake), I redid all the artwork.

For printing, I don't just send one set of artwork to be printed; I have to group multiple projects to fill the sheet size that the printer uses, so I had t gong these with a few other projects. To get everything done, it was tight and it would have been regardless of whether I had redone the artwork. The decals arrived from the printer the Monday after Naperville. I agreed that I would mail them. That required a lot of envelopes, stamps, poly sleeves for the decals, cardstock to provide a little backbone for the decals in the envelopes as well as a place to print a guide to the decals, plus the time to stuff all of this into envelopes. I was provided with an Excel sheet with all of the relevant mailing information. I had progressively done most of the stuffing (my son helped at the end of the that process).

I have done some mailing labels by doing copy, paste, repeat. I don't know what the issue is, but I cannot get the data to mail merge into a label template, using either Word or Pages. I have tried at least 20 different ways with no success. I am honestly trying.

As a footnote, in time and money, I am now well over a $1,000 into this. I realize that many of you won't care about that. You just want your decals. However, I am doing all of this with no expectation of compensation. I care about the artwork and was trying to get something exactly right and help out with RPMs.

Won't happen again.

You will all get your decals.

P.S. the Shake and Take decals will be there at the event. 

My apologies if I have offended anyone. Just trying to give a little perspective.

Sorry that people don't yet have their decals. I'll get it finished over the holidays, with or without a mail merge solution.

Mike and Jeff - sorry for the bandwidth.

Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

skibbs4
 

Ed-

You’re not alone and I share your frustration. I wish I had information to share from the originally promised source. 

I will contact Microscale about a new run so that we can deliver on the decals. I’ll get them done one way or another. 

Much apologies,
Mike Skibbe

On Dec 20, 2017, at 8:17 PM, ejshoben@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Has anyone received their decals yet?  I don't know anyone who has.  Have they been mailed?

thanks,

Ed Shoben


Re: Chicagoland RPM meet CGW decals

Ed Shoben
 

Has anyone received their decals yet?  I don't know anyone who has.  Have they been mailed?

thanks,

Ed Shoben


Re: MKT box car

Benjamin Hom
 


Tim O'Connor wrote:
"There are lots of outstanding photos in the SMU online collection. I like
this MKT box car equipped with steam and signal lines. I'm curious why some
railroads opted for DOUBLE DOOR box cars in express service."

http://digitalcollections.smu.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=rwy&CISOPTR=1517&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=3000&DMHEIGHT=2989 

It would certainly facilitate the use of forklifts.


Ben Hom

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