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Re: Yardmaster 1937 Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Hile writes, regarding SP box car 82238:

....I also found that it is likely the
trucks were painted to match the body. Is it correct to assume that
this means sideframes only? Or, both the sideframes and wheel faces?
(Like the UP repaint on the cover of Terry Metcalfe's UP Freight Cars
book.)
Wheel faces were typically painted the same color as the side frames - in
fact, it would have been pretty difficult to do otherwise. However, oil
from the journal boxes spread liberally across the wheel faces almost as
soon as the cars were placed in service and rapidly collected dirt and
grime - the oil seals at the back of the journal boxes were literally no
more than thin pieces of wood with journal-sized holes in them. So unless
you are modeling a literally brand new car as it rolled out of the
builder's shop, you want to paint your wheel faces a dirty and very dark
gray (and truck side frames rapidly collected dirt and grime as well).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Yardmaster 1937 Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Regarding John Hile's inquiry about SP 82238, Tony Thompson responds:
....I can
verify the Apex running board, Youngstown doors, Klasing hand brake, AAR
double-truss trucks with (literally) Bettendorf side frames. I don't know
for certain whether these were spring-plankless but SP was converting to
that type around the time the car was built (1941).
Photos of other cars in the class show the trucks to have been AAR double
truss spring plankless - the best HO representation is probably Kadee's
"Bettendorf" truck, especially if you put blanking plates behind the
non-working "working" springs so you can't see shafts of daylight through
the spring box.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Yardmaster 1937 Boxcars

John <john66h@aol.com> <john66h@...>
 

John, I can't help with the Erie or NP cars, but for the SP car,
I can
verify the Apex running board, Youngstown doors, Klasing hand
brake, AAR
double-truss trucks with (literally) Bettendorf side frames. I
don't know
for certain whether these were spring-plankless but SP was
converting to
that type around the time the car was built (1941).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
Tony,

Thanks for the information. I also found that it is likely the
trucks were painted to match the body. Is it correct to assume that
this means sideframes only? Or, both the sideframes and wheel faces?
(Like the UP repaint on the cover of Terry Metcalfe's UP Freight Cars
book.)

Thanks,
John Hile
Blacksburg, Va.


Re: Yardmaster 1937 Boxcars

thompson@...
 

John Hile writes:
I recently purchased the following Branchline 1937 AAR 40' Boxcar
kits: NP 17177, SP 82238, ERIE 79098
My research on these cars has raised the following questions:
SP 82238 (B-50-21): Am I correct in believing this car should have an
Apex metal roof walk? Are self-aligning, spring-plankless trucks
correct?
John, I can't help with the Erie or NP cars, but for the SP car, I can
verify the Apex running board, Youngstown doors, Klasing hand brake, AAR
double-truss trucks with (literally) Bettendorf side frames. I don't know
for certain whether these were spring-plankless but SP was converting to
that type around the time the car was built (1941).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Supplee Milk Cars

Christian Tucker <ctucker1@rochester.rr.com> <ctucker1@...>
 

resemble Helvetica, you can be sure it's not the same. My guess
would be
that it's a signpainter's typical coarse sans-serif (like
Helvetica).


The mythical "railroad gothic." (The only other lettering ever used
on steam era cars, "railroad Roman.") (Insert smiley face here.) Now
that we should know better, we have the demon of computer type faces.

One the positive hand, computers have also put the technology into
our hands to actually produce very accurate lettering. Just can't
take shortcuts.

Christian Tucker
NY


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Richard (or anyone else for that matter) can you point me in the direction of a good photo of a C&O flat. The one in the article is kinda fuzzy. I was thinking of substituting Tichy Stake pockets for the ones included in the kit but can't tell if the Tichy pockets are close enough to the cast style used by the C&O.

Brian

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Reference has been made to my 1997 RMJ article and photos. Please note
that the stake pocket spacing on the RC model is incorrect for the GN cars,
which had evenly spaced stake pockets, unlike the spacing on the Red
Caboose NYC prototype cars which had the spacing "closed up" at the ends of
the car. This can be fixed but requires some relocation of stake pockets.
I've addressed the issue of the GN cars' Dalman-Andrews trucks in another
message.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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Yardmaster 1937 Boxcars

John <john66h@aol.com> <john66h@...>
 

I recently purchased the following Branchline 1937 AAR 40' Boxcar
kits: NP 17177, SP 82238, ERIE 79098

My research on these cars has raised the following questions:

NP 17177: Should this car have Superior panel doors? Are self-
aligning, spring-plankless trucks correct?

SP 82238 (B-50-21): Am I correct in believing this car should have an
Apex metal roof walk? Are self-aligning, spring-plankless trucks
correct?

ERIE 79098: Should this car have a Viking roof and Apex Tri-Lok roof
walk? Should the trucks be National B-1?

I would appreciate if anyone can assist with my research.

Thanks,
John Hile
Blacksburg, Va


Re: Supplee Milk Cars

thompson@...
 

I said earlier:
Helvetica? Please. These cars were built a couple of decades before
Helvetica was designed. Try again. Or better yet, don't even think of
matching a typeface to railroad car lettering (for nearly all railroads
prior to 1960).
Additional comment: The date of car construction is of course not
necessarily relevant. But the 1947-1953 time frame Tom Olsen discussed IS
relevant. Helvetica was first designed in 1957 and until its Linotype
version was available in the early 1960s, was not much used or even known
in the United States. So even if the Supplee lettering does in some fashion
resemble Helvetica, you can be sure it's not the same. My guess would be
that it's a signpainter's typical coarse sans-serif (like Helvetica).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: Supplee Milk Cars

thompson@...
 

"SUPPLEE" letters: sheet metal, 32" height, red with 1" white outline
"MILK" letters: sheet metal, 22" height, red with 1" white outline
Reporting marks: white 7" Regular Helvetica (Both on sides and ends)
Data: white 4" Regular Helvetica
Helvetica? Please. These cars were built a couple of decades before
Helvetica was designed. Try again. Or better yet, don't even think of
matching a typeface to railroad car lettering (for nearly all railroads
prior to 1960).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


SFRD book/thanks

ed_mines
 

As was suggested I borrowed the SFRD book before it was decided to
reprint it.

Wow! It's the real deal. I'll happily get my own copy. I would have
bought this a long time ago had I seen what it was.

I'd like to publicly thank Richard Hendrickson for his efforts with
the ATSF society in getting the book reprinted. And also thanks to
Richard and the other authors and contributors for writing the book.

Thanks too to Mike Brock and Ted Cullota.


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Reference has been made to my 1997 RMJ article and photos. Please note
that the stake pocket spacing on the RC model is incorrect for the GN cars,
which had evenly spaced stake pockets, unlike the spacing on the Red
Caboose NYC prototype cars which had the spacing "closed up" at the ends of
the car. This can be fixed but requires some relocation of stake pockets.
I've addressed the issue of the GN cars' Dalman-Andrews trucks in another
message.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Richard Hendrickson
 

Spen Kellog writes:

Bethlehem Car Works produces a Dalman Two Level Truck (BCW #1224) for
$10. I think it used to be the Cape Tine T-24 truck of the same name. I
don't know if it is close enough to what you need though...
It has odd-shaped side frames which aren't anything like the GN/SAL
Dalman-Andrews trucks. A better bet is to rework Eastern Car Works Dalman
two-level side frames by adding journal box bolts and retainer bars (which
isn't too difficult because the side frames are styrene, not Delrin).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Supplee Milk Cars

Thomas Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

Andy, Peter, Jerry and List,

Thank you for your assistance in this matter regarding the Supplee milk
car signage and lettering. It seems that the farther into time that we
go, the more some everyday items become more obscure. There are a
number of photos of these cars in different books, but no data regarding
lettering and color.

The peculiarity of this subject is that in the two sources that I
mentioned in my request, there is only 1-1/2 months between the photos
in 1947. In the April photo in Bob's book, the car is lettered and
placarded as Andy describes in his answer. In the Morning Sun book, the
car's lettering appears to be imitation (dulux) gold. This afternoon, I
screened the Middle Division video that Penn Valley produced from the
films of the late Clarence Weaver and there is a westbound train
carrying two of these cars. In the video, the lettering appears to be
imitation (dulux) gold.

It seems that there was a change in the color of the large "Supplee
Milk" signs on the car sides in that April-May 1947 time frame. It
would leave you to think that for a time both schemes must have existed
side by side, but until when is the question? Or is it possible that
they both existed until the cars were retired from the milk trade? So,
I guess I can leave you with that question.

Again, thanks guys, the help is greatly appreciated!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
PH: 302-738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Spen Kellogg <spenkell@...>
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:

Shawn I can answer part of this question since I have Rich's Hendrickson's article on my desk right now. There are 2 pictures of the GN's cars in the January 1997 RMJ. Unfortunately according to the article, the Dalman-Andrews trucks haven't been produced in HO yet. Maybe they have been in the past 6 years. Don't know about the decals.
Bethlehem Car Works produces a Dalman Two Level Truck (BCW #1224) for
$10. I think it used to be the Cape Tine T-24 truck of the same name. I
don't know if it is close enough to what you need though...

Regards, Spen Kellogg


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

I don't know if he is, but I am. Anything to cobble together another
prototype kit. So a Red Caboose flat plus Tichy stake pockets equals
a Great Northern car, eh? What would you use for decals, and where do
I look for photographs of said GN flat?
Railmodel Journal Jan 1997


Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Shawn I can answer part of this question since I have Rich's Hendrickson's article on my desk right now. There are 2 pictures of the GN's cars in the January 1997 RMJ. Unfortunately according to the article, the Dalman-Andrews trucks haven't been produced in HO yet. Maybe they have been in the past 6 years. Don't know about the decals.

Brian

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Aaron,

I don't know if he is, but I am. Anything to cobble together another
prototype kit. So a Red Caboose flat plus Tichy stake pockets equals
a Great Northern car, eh? What would you use for decals, and where do
I look for photographs of said GN flat?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert, that's enough questions for one paragraph...

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The GN had a class of 40ft flatcars that can be accurately modeled
with the Red Caboose kit. The only thing that would have to be
changed, would be to swap the pockets with the type offered by
Tichy. The cars were boxcar red. I could give you more info if you
are interested. Aaron



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Re: Red Caboose Flat car

Shawn Beckert
 

Aaron,

I don't know if he is, but I am. Anything to cobble together another
prototype kit. So a Red Caboose flat plus Tichy stake pockets equals
a Great Northern car, eh? What would you use for decals, and where do
I look for photographs of said GN flat?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert, that's enough questions for one paragraph...

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Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:24 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Red Caboose Flat car


The GN had a class of 40ft flatcars that can be accurately modeled
with the Red Caboose kit. The only thing that would have to be
changed, would be to swap the pockets with the type offered by
Tichy. The cars were boxcar red. I could give you more info if you
are interested. Aaron



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Re: Red Caboose Flat car

npin53
 

The GN had a class of 40ft flatcars that can be accurately modeled
with the Red Caboose kit. The only thing that would have to be
changed, would be to swap the pockets with the type offered by
Tichy. The cars were boxcar red. I could give you more info if you
are interested. Aaron


And the winner is...

CBarkan@...
 

Brian Ehni (?) is correct on both parts of the question. First
prize,...hmmmm, how about a free annual subscription to the STMFC list
server. Mike, can you arrange that please?

But Tim still hasn't told us how to properly model the extra details
associated with stock cars.

C

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Sunshine Pennsy trucks (was Sunshine trucks)

tcschc <tculotta@speedwitch.com> <tculotta@...>
 

I haven't heard it mentioned so I'll jump in here. For the Sunshine white metal Pennsy trucks, I have had good success by doing the following:

Step 1 (optional) - Buy NWSL .088" tread width shouldered axles (to replace the .110" ones included in with the castings)
Step 2 - clean out journals with a #50 drill (don't drill out the journals or you may pop through the journal, thereby ruining the casting)
Step 3 - add liberal amounts of dry lube (graphite)
Step 4 - assemble (I used ACC although cyanopoxy might be the ticket now)
Step 5 - add to freight car

Using the #50 drill to clean out the journals makes for a free rolling truck.

Ted Culotta

179261 - 179280 of 194714