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Scalecoat was RE: Re: Tru-color paint

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Scalecoat, both I and II, are indeed available and the line’s been expanded considerably, with both flat and gloss finishes and also a lot of weathering colors along the lines of what the late lamented Floquil provided.



I have used both, I and II, preferring II for brass and I for plastic models.



I have also used Testors paint on plastic models. I buy several of those microscopic bottles and put them in a knock-off Floquil-type bottle, as I use a 47-year-old Binks Wren single action syphon brush. (hey, works for me . . .). I think that (all the paints in this note) about 50/50 with the appropriate thinner from the manufacturer. Harbor Freight compressor, spraying at ~30 pounds pressure.



Schuyler



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On 1/18/2018 12:11 PM, Allen Montgomery sandbear75@... <mailto:sandbear75@...> [STMFC] wrote:

I picked up some Scalecoat II at Caboose Hobbies last summer.

Did a little Googling and it seem Scalecoat was sold to another company. I can't determine if Scalecoat I is available or not. I do have some left and will use that until I run out.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS





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Re: Tru-color paint

Jon Miller
 

    Well I decided to use Scalecoat.  And even thought it looked good and sprayed on another surface good it came out blotched on the BL sides.  Figured I had a ruined pair of sides but took some Scalecoat gloss and thinned it a bunch.  Lightly sprayed that over and I think everything is OK.  One problem is it's going to take a while to dry.
    What makes me mad about these modern hobby paints is that I have a very old (40 years?) 2 oz bottle of Floquil boxcar red.  This paint works as good as the day it was made.


-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Tim O'Connor
 


I would think that BEER would be the most common "back haul" item for produce reefers.

How far could beer travel in the steam era? Obviously magazines could travel across
the entire country, a trip that took almost a week even in the 1950's. Could beer
travel that far, and if it did, was it iced along the way like produce and meat?

Tim O'Connor



EVERYTHING I've been told says that meat reefers were not used to haul anything but meat.
There was too much risk of contamination, among other things.
All the stories of produce reefers back-hauling film and bulk mail (Magazines)are, again from everything I've been told, a bit over blown. It WAS common, just not AS common.
I have a circular from the ATSF about what COULD be hauled in a SFRD produce reefer, and the list has something like 900 items and it is varied.
And I believe, you'll have to talk to Tony T. about this, as a percentage produce was the largest single item, but the majority of the tonnage hauled was non-produce perishable items, for lack of a better term.
Paul Catapano

ATSF reefer circular

Paul Catapano
 

I hope this goes through. It is 125 pages long. Paul Catapano



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Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Paul Catapano
 

EVERYTHING I've been told says that meat reefers were not used to haul anything but meat.
There was too much risk of contamination, among other things.
All the stories of produce reefers back-hauling film and bulk mail (Magazines)are, again from everything I've been told, a bit over blown. It WAS common, just not AS common.
I have a circular from the ATSF about what COULD be hauled in a SFRD produce reefer, and the list has something like 900 items and it is varied.
And I believe, you'll have to talk to Tony T. about this, as a percentage produce was the largest single item, but the majority of the tonnage hauled was non-produce perishable items, for lack of a better term.
 
Paul Catapano


Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Benjamin Hom
 


Paul Koehler wrote:
"You are picking nits, the question was could they be used, and the answer is still yes no matter how few there were in PFE service."

The logic displayed here reminds me of this scene from Dumb and Dumber:


Ben Hom

Re: Tru-color paint

Gene Deimling
 

Thank you Tim for the explanation.

--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Frank Grimm <fddms@...>
 

Group
Matches were shipped as back haul.

Frank Grimm
Sandwich, IL

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Paul Koehler
 

Tony:

 

You are picking nits, the question was could they be used, and the answer is still yes no matter how few there were in PFE service.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


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Paul Koehler wrote:



 

Tony:

 In the Transcon WB tariff there was a provision for the use of three ice bunker reefers in lue of one boxcar.  R.H.  Donnelly big time printer of periodicals in the Chicago area used reefers all the time.  Usually produce cars but if there was an empty PFM meet reefer to move west that would be used.

 

     True, but PFE had around 100 meat cars in a fleet of around 40,000 cars at the time I model. I would call this a rare usage. I understood the original question to be about meat reefers in general, which would considerably outnumber the small group in PFE.

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 

 

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 

How long would it take to dry out a reefer? Seems like a poor environment to ship anything that could absorb moisture.


        Never. The PFE people I interviewed said an ice reefer was damp all its life. That's one reason there was no point in opening ice hatches "to dry out the car." The PFE people said, "drying out wouldn't happen." But damp doesn't mean WET.
         Anything moisture-sensitive was appropriately protected. Stacks of magazines were wrapped in heavy paper, for example.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Bill Welch
 

How long would it take to dry out a reefer? Seems like a poor environment to ship anything that could absorb moisture.

Bill Welch

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Koehler wrote:

 
Tony:

 In the Transcon WB tariff there was a provision for the use of three ice bunker reefers in lue of one boxcar.  R.H.  Donnelly big time printer of periodicals in the Chicago area used reefers all the time.  Usually produce cars but if there was an empty PFM meet reefer to move west that would be used.


     True, but PFE had around 100 meat cars in a fleet of around 40,000 cars at the time I model. I would call this a rare usage. I understood the original question to be about meat reefers in general, which would considerably outnumber the small group in PFE.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Paul Koehler
 

Maynard:

 

How bout a PFE?

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


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I don't think the PFM refer would even hold a Reader's Digest :)

Maynard Stowe

 

On Friday, January 19, 2018 5:45 PM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

 

Tony:

 

In the Transcon WB tariff there was a provision for the use of three ice bunker reefers in lue of one boxcar.  R.H.  Donnelly big time printer of periodicals in the Chicago area used reefers all the time.  Usually produce cars but if there was an empty PFM meet reefer to move west that would be used.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


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Pat Wade wrote:

 

 

I have read that empty west bound reeders were used to haul magazines from Chicago to LA. Think Saturday Evening Post.

 

    True, but not in meat reefers.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 

 

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

maynard stowe
 

I don't think the PFM refer would even hold a Reader's Digest :)
Maynard Stowe


On Friday, January 19, 2018 5:45 PM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Tony:
 
In the Transcon WB tariff there was a provision for the use of three ice bunker reefers in lue of one boxcar.  R.H.  Donnelly big time printer of periodicals in the Chicago area used reefers all the time.  Usually produce cars but if there was an empty PFM meet reefer to move west that would be used.
 
Paul C. Koehler
 

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Pat Wade wrote:


 
I have read that empty west bound reeders were used to haul magazines from Chicago to LA. Think Saturday Evening Post.
 
    True, but not in meat reefers.
 
Tony Thompson
 
 
 


Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Paul Koehler
 

Tony:

 

In the Transcon WB tariff there was a provision for the use of three ice bunker reefers in lue of one boxcar.  R.H.  Donnelly big time printer of periodicals in the Chicago area used reefers all the time.  Usually produce cars but if there was an empty PFM meet reefer to move west that would be used.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 2:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

 

 

Pat Wade wrote:



 

I have read that empty west bound reeders were used to haul magazines from Chicago to LA. Think Saturday Evening Post.

 

    True, but not in meat reefers.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 

Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Tony Thompson
 

Pat Wade wrote:

 

I have read that empty west bound reeders were used to haul magazines from Chicago to LA. Think Saturday Evening Post.


    True, but not in meat reefers.

Tony Thompson



Re: Meat Reefers - Backhaul Freight

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

 
What, if anything, could be backhauled in an ice bunker meat refrigerator car?

       Anything that would fit. But a reefer was smaller than a box car, restricting some loads. Remember that a packer-owned meat car was under the direction of the owner and could not be confiscated for back hauls.

Were such backhauls common or the exception?

    I have not seen statistics but would expect that backhauls in packer-owned cars would be quite unusual.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Tru-color paint

Tim O'Connor
 


Gene, some people email improperly formatted HTML documents and so all this "metadata"
gets displayed in your email reader because it doesn't recognize that it's part of the
message description, rather than the message itself.

In my Eudora email software, I can "right mouse click" on messages and if they are HTML
I see a "view source" in the dialog box. I can also click on "View in browser" to see the
message as it would appear if I were reading it on a web page.

In your YAHOO group settings, there should be an option for you to view TEXT ONLY or to
allow HTML documents. Yahoo used to support this, but maybe it has broken down with the
gradual neglect that accompanies Yahoo groups these days.

It's ultimately a Yahoo problem. They have not kept their software up to date so the old
software is tripping up more and more frequently when it encounters unrecognized data. My
Eudora lets me clean up incoming messages very easily - click swipe delete click - and the
garbage is gone.

Tim O'Connor



   Would someone who is more technical about internet and OS protocols tell me what all
   this horse crap is? Gene Deimling




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Re: Tru-color paint

Matt Smith
 

I used Tru Color for almost all of my projects this last year. Things that have worked for me. 

Use the Tru Color brand thinner, I thin maybe 20-25%, I clean up with laquer thinner.
Use several drops of Tru Color retarder in the cup (I use an Iwata with fine tip).
I shoot with a 20lb CO2 tank, (moisture in line does not exist and lasts forever)
I shoot 30 psi.
You will use more volume of paint then say Vallejo or Pollys
Several light coats as stated it dries very fast.

This is all per the FAQ on the Tru Color website.

Much like switching from Pollys to Vallejo there is a curve and start with products recommended by the manufacturer and work out from there.

I now prefer Vallejo Acrylics for weathering with an airbrush and shooting the car bodies with Tru Color as it is decal ready when dry.

Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL




Re: Tru-color paint

Fred Jansz
 

Being a hobbyist, not a pro, TC is the finest paint I've ever used. Very forgiving paint if you spray too thick. It always dries up smooth and shows all details perfectly.
Most reds I thin like 15-30% with TC thinner. As base coat I use TC primer, sometimes other brands. Never interferes with TC paint.
I use Harder & Steenbeck gun, medium size needle and pressure as needed for job, mostly around 20-26psi.
Used TC on plastic and Resin kits. My first brass job flaked, but that was because I didn't sandblast it. Tossed the brass model in a thinner bath and tried again with good results without baking in the oven. Will try that on another model though. See what happens. 
cheers from Holland, Fred Jansz